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RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm - 7/3/2013 11:26:15 PM   
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If I ever invented a way to achieve immortality, it would take forever to prove it.


That's really deep.

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RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm - 7/4/2013 12:07:50 AM   
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First, I suggest you find some more serious articles, and not any that are made with very limited knowledge of sadomasochism, for me looks the articles you have found to be simple, school assignments.

And if you want to study and analyze sadomasochism, I suggest that you start with the beginning. and reader
Marquis de Sade you can find book list here on collarme.
And a more modern book about extreme sadistic fantasies is American Psycho written by Bret Easton Ellis.

When reading the Marquis de Sade and Bret Easton Ellis, then you can begin to see how it looks, Inside of a sadist, it is very good example of how strong, sadistic fantasies you may have as a sadist.

It took me time to understand it with the fantasy, I have fantasies of sadistic thoughts since I was very young, as I grew older, I learned to sort and control, my sadistic fantasies, and today they are more extreme fantasies become more flighty thoughts.

When I wanted to find out about sadism and who I was, I borrowed all I could of the Marquis de Sade at the local library, and I read and read, the more I read, the less I understood it took me a long time to understand even though I'm a sadist, then it is not the same as turning on the Marquis de Sade fantasies.
What I have in common with the Marquis de Sade is our sadistic fantasies and. satisfaction. by living the fantasies that can be lived out.
It took a long time to understand that we are the same even if our imagination is not the same.

About fantasies where a "normal man" would sit at work and have an imagination. about a young girl gives him a blowjob.

I would sit at work and have a fantasy of getting a blowjob by a young girl who cries of fear.


The amount of sex fantasies a "normal man" has in a day, a sadist has too, it is just sadistic, and the more extreme.

From sadism for pleasure, it is not always I can get it out of a girl that I want, sometimes, their pain. limit can be so low that I have no pleasure out of the session,
(Do not get me wrong I love BDSM and enjoys to stretch boundaries, but it is quite the same without pleasure)
I will give you an example of how my sadism developed from be from pain to mind tricks.

A girl who I had played with several times, and which I knew could not take the amount of  pain that I needed for my sadistic pleasure, came to a new session.
After I had chained her arms up in chains and cuffs, and given her gag on.
I studied her naked body with my hands, I left her, and when I came back, I had butcher knives in my hands,
(on her right hand of her, I have a table that I normally use for whips, I use in session)
Every time I came in with new ones, I walked right past her, so I was sure she could see what I had with me when I was past her, and put about 12-15 knives on the table, in good order when I was finished with the knives,
I fetched a hacksaw, ax and bolt cutters that I put in good order along with the knives, and I was ready for my last act of my sadistic mind game, I fetched a roll of plastic and duct tape and when I came in to her again,
I began to roll plastic on the floor and cut a suitable piece of, and put it under her (here I had first part of my sadistic sexual pleasure, when I lifted up her feet, I could almost feel her heart beating, I could feel how adrenaline and fear pumped in her body, I could feel how she trembled at my touch)

After I had tape the plastic fixed to the floor, I took the ax
from the table and walked up behind her, and put the ax from me and took my flogger, I took my arm around her and feelt her heart with my hand, kiss her neck and stepped back, and began to whip her with my flogger.

This was my first mind trick, and here I found a new way to get the drains from my sadism, you could say that I have limit to inflict pain, but my sadism with mind trick and humiliation is limitless. It is not farther important to me which, the way I get an outlet for my sadism because my sadism find their way, to satisfy me no matter what!

Now you should know a little about sadism, and can start studying masochism. I have not gone in depth, with masochism, but it is impossible to learn about sadism, without learning about masochism, at the same time, but since I am not a masochist, I will not write about it, and just suggest you to read books by Leopold von Sacher-Masoch.
When your study of Leopold von Sacher-Masoch and the Marquis de Sade is complete. Can you begin to study the mental in sadomasochism, and here I would suggest that you read Richard von Krafft-Ebing, Sigmund Freud, Isidor Isaac Sadger.
And when your studie has brought you this far, then you can begin to sort the items which are valuable from the articles which have been completely worthless like the ones you show as an example.

And you will also be able to start sorting really sadiste / masochists from those who do not know what sadist / masochist is. There are many in BDSM who say they are sadists / masochists and not know what it is and what it means. It does not mean they do not like playing with pain, but they're just not sadists / masochists.

And if you don`t want to make a serious study is here a very brief summary from Boston Counseling Therapy

Sadism and Masochism: Sexual Sadomasochism, Facts and Diagnosis, Counseling Treatments
Sadism and Masochism
Portraits
Since he was a teenager, Carl has thought about being restrained, humiliated, or abused in a sexual way. 
Jenny was reading the personals section of the classifieds when she came across an ad from a person requesting a “sex slave.” She immediately ignored the ad, but then found herself excited by it, and drawn back to it.
Definitions and Key Thoughts
Sexual Sadism and Sexual Masochism are two separate psychological disorders and each are categorized by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders IV (DSM-IV) as a paraphilia, which is a sexual disorder characterized by socially unacceptable preoccupations or behaviors (other paraphilias include voyeurism, exhibitionism, and Fetishism).
Sadism and masochism are characterized by feelings of sexual pleasure or gratification when inflicting suffering on another person, or having it inflicted upon one’s self, respectively.
The official DSM-IV criteria for sexual sadism are:
A. Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving acts (real, not simulated) in which the psychological or physical suffering (including humiliation) of the victim is sexually exciting to the person.
B. The person has acted on these urges with a nonconsenting person, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty.
The official DSM-IV criteria for sexual masochism are:
A. Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving the act (real, not simulated) of being humiliated, beaten, bound, or otherwise made to suffer.
B. The fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
 
A person with a diagnosis of sexual sadism is known as a sadist. The name is derived from Marquis Donatien de Sade (1740-1814), a French aristocrat who became famous for writing novels around the theme of inflicting pain as a source of sexual pleasure.
A person with a diagnosis of sexual masochism is known as a masochist. Like sadism, the term masochist is derived from a proper name; Leopold von Sacher-Masoch (1836-1895), an Austrian novelist who described the disorder in his works.
The term Sadomasochism is used to describe either the co-occurrence of sadism and masochism in one individual, or as a replacement for both terms.
In 1905, Sigmund Freud described “Sadism” and “Masochism” in his Drei Abhandlungen zur Sexualtheorie (“Three papers on Sexual Theory”) as diseases developing from an incorrect development of the child psyche.
The first use of the compound term Sado-Masochism was by the Viennese Psychoanalyst Isidor Isaak Sadger in his work Über den sado-masochistischen Komplex (“Regarding the sadomasochistic complex”) in 1913.
In some extreme cases, sexual sadism can lead to serious injury or death for the target of the sadistic behaviors. According to the DSM-IV these occurrences are often when the paraphilia is diagnosed as severe, and when antisocial personality disorder is also present.
Action Steps and Treatment Plan for Sadism and Masochism
Treatment of sexual sadism or sexual masochism may be complicated by health problems related to promiscuous sexual behavior. Sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) and other medical problems may be present.
Note: Acts of sexual sadism or sexual masochism tend to grow more violent or bizarre over time. However, as persons with either disorder grow older, their ability or desire to participate in such behaviors begins to decrease. For example, sexual sadism is rarely diagnosed in men over 50 years of age.
1)Replace Violent Behaviors
Sadistic behaviors range in terms of their violent nature. Some sadistic behaviors are focused on humiliation and mild pain, while others are aimed toward severe pain.
Also, a practicing sadist will either find a willing partner to participate in these behaviors, or will find a sexual victim.
Replacing violent behaviors with caring, less violent behaviors.
2)Focus on Healthy Sexuality
Identifying and focusing on sexual practices that are gratifying and that do not incorporate sadistic or masochistic behaviors will help one to participate in normal sexual behavior.
Encouraging and expanding normal sexual practices is a way to use the strengths and assets and tendencies toward normal sexual practices that a person already has.
3)Make a Commitment to Change
Even if a person is fantasizing about sadism or masochism, one can make a conscious commitment to not outwardly participate in such behaviors. Being tempted to do something – is not doing it. 
One method for encouraging this is by helping one see that people are innately valuable and should be treated with respect and even care. This understanding of another person’s value is to supersede any desire to practice violent or humiliating acts against them. 


There is not far from a sadist with a BDSM profile, to a sadist with a black van. And you can find many sadists outside BDSM, so you should not limit your study to BDSM


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RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm - 7/4/2013 12:56:14 AM   
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Wow. I just like to get tied up and beat before I'm fucked.
It makes me really wet.
That's as scientific as I can get.


This....

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RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm - 7/4/2013 6:32:19 AM   
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Wow. I just like to get tied up and beat before I'm fucked.
It makes me really wet.
That's as scientific as I can get.
this.
id rather not get scientific or psychological.
I feel like that may tarnish the experience. I dont needto know why I do what I do or like what I like.

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RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm - 7/4/2013 10:09:49 PM   
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If there was one true authentic sexual scientific study, it was the one's Alfred Kinsey did.

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RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm - 7/4/2013 10:11:03 PM   
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First of all, I consider sadomasochism as one complex biological phenomenon the evolution provided the human (as a species) with for self-improvement. As far as we know, no other biological species were yet given such a mechanism (like a pain-into-pleasure, or humiliation-into-pleasure, or tiredness-into pleasure etc. transformation assisted by hormones).


I don't think that "pain-into-pleasure" is unique to our species. β-endorphins exist in other species, here's an article: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3104618/

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RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm - 7/4/2013 10:18:02 PM   
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I'm too busy fucking and having fun to think or care about the scientific implications.

Maybe it's time to do the same?


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RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm - 7/5/2013 3:57:42 AM   
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OK ..... (looks around the apartment) ..... who let Sheldon onto the Internet unsupervised?

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RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm - 7/5/2013 6:49:37 AM   
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Lol!

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RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm - 7/5/2013 7:37:07 AM   
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That's weird, I thought the same thing when I read the OP.

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RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm - 7/5/2013 7:43:38 AM   
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Great minds think alike .

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RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm - 7/5/2013 7:46:00 AM   
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I can just imagine how it would play out...knockknockknockPenny,knockknockknockPenny,knockknockknockPenny....

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RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm - 7/5/2013 10:28:52 AM   
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There is no evidence that BDSM is biological in origin and/or that it can be inherited genetically. If this was the case then we would all have sadomasochists for parents and our children would be sadomasochists. The fact that they are not is proof that BDSM cannot be selected for by evolution because it is not caused or controlled by our genes. BDSM is most likely a product largely of modern civilisation and sexual experimentation.

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RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm - 7/5/2013 10:30:34 AM   
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I'm bettin you better than average odd that Ugg was gettin blowjobs and burying his dick in Uggellas ass long before bdsm was something they could mumble.

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RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm - 7/5/2013 11:47:30 AM   
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BDSM is a form of pleasure. Pleasure is in nature the exclusiveness of which is found in hedonism.

HEDONISM "Nature has placed mankind under the governance of two sovereign masters, pain and pleasure. It is for them alone to point out what we ought to do as well as to determine what we shall do" who ?

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RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm - 7/5/2013 1:18:47 PM   
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I can just imagine how it would play out...knockknockknockPenny,knockknockknockPenny,knockknockknockPenny....



It would play out more like this.....






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RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm - 7/5/2013 7:14:59 PM   
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But what would Amy Farrah Fowler think? Or would she? Hmmmm....

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RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm - 7/5/2013 8:17:12 PM   
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the main problem is still that, though strange, there is too much phylosofy and too little action. I suggested a possible way to (at least) look younger and better, and there is an infinite discussion instead of somebody's saying "why not to try?" As a scientist, I can definitely tell that's what the real science is about: if there is no abstract proof, then the experiment rules! Of course, if the later is safe and sane, but what I suggest is actually even safer than the common BDSM practice which rarely has total regulations

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RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm - 7/5/2013 8:24:22 PM   
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by the way, i'm not vanilla, as my status wrongly tells, I just don't know where to declare my proper BDSM inclination at this site

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RE: some scientific thoughts about bdsm - 7/5/2013 8:35:24 PM   
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yes, they do exist, but never induce an artificial (behavioral ) way to provoke the increase of their levels in the organism, as it happens with humans

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