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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 4/2/2014 1:18:29 PM

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again you are just making shit up. There was an eyewitness that Trayvon was raining blows MMA style on him, moments before he was shot.

George had MMA training, PROFESSIONALLY.

And as was pointed out repeatedly by anti Zimmerman people his training hadn't passed the conditioning phase.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 4/2/2014 1:32:19 PM

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And what made Trayvon a thug? Nothing but his skin color.

Or it could have been his dealing with illegal handguns, drug dealing, fighting, burglary...

(The people I know that call him a thug do it for those reasons).

There is not a shred of evidence beyond baseless accusations that he was involved in any of that. But way to believe white supremacist lies.

Nope, all of that came from Trayvon's own phone, his text messages, videos on his phone, police reports. Much of it can still be found in the evidence files on the gzlegal.com website.

Then present it. Not a bunch of assertions but actual proof. You wouldn't be repeating stuff made up and spread by Frank Taafe would you?
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/09/george-zimmerman-frank-taffe-white-supremacist-podcast

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 4/2/2014 1:34:55 PM

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I almost fell off my chair but we agree on the abuse of children by gangs.
We may never agree on the Trayvon/Zimmerman events and outcome as we have different beliefs on who should have done what.
I do not allow other people's political beliefs to cloud my own, in my heart of hearts I don't believe that kid should have died.

I don't think the kid deserved to die either.
That said he did initiate the violence and that act caused his death.
This does not means that I think Zimmerman handled things perfectly.
I have been in similar situations, handled it more directly but controlled
the situation so that no violence resulted.
Zimmerman's tactics can be criticized but bad tactics is not a crime.

We have only the claim of a proven liar that Trayvon initiated anything.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 4/2/2014 1:36:58 PM

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par for the course...and some people wonder why i have no compulsion to apologise to him for anything ever:)

Yeah . . . I can grant a pretty wide latitude for assholeiness (mostly because I need such latitude for myself) but there are limits. I don't use the hide button lightly (that holocaust denier dork - he's someone I'm glad not to have seen in a while - was the first) so I always like to seek clarification. If someone actually thinks a teenager (or perhaps it is only black teenagers) deserve to die because they may have picked a fight (there's absolutely no evidence to support that) with a man with a gun is . . . wow . . . just wow.

The damage done to Zimmerman had to have been done before Zimmerman shot him.
Even the prosecution admitted that.
They had no case and it showed in the trial.
Both made mistake but the critical one was when Martin decided to beat Zimmerman.
He even told his GF after he lost Zimmerman that he "wasn't going to run anymore"
But to some none of that counts.

Actually the prosecution had an air tight case but for some baffling reason failed to pursue it. Zimmerman flat out lied about the details of the fight. That should have been hammered into the jury and that would have ben the end of the trial no matter what nonsense claims he made.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 4/2/2014 1:39:05 PM

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I'd question that bad tactics aren't actionable (if not technically illegal) in practice: there's no end of litigation brought against surgeons who made bad tactical decisions, and there's also been a few against police departments over the bad tactical decisions of individual bluebottles. Shame suing the Zimm would be pointless, really.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 4/2/2014 1:41:45 PM

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I almost fell off my chair but we agree on the abuse of children by gangs.
We may never agree on the Trayvon/Zimmerman events and outcome as we have different beliefs on who should have done what.
I do not allow other people's political beliefs to cloud my own, in my heart of hearts I don't believe that kid should have died.

I don't think the kid deserved to die either.
That said he did initiate the violence and that act caused his death.
This does not means that I think Zimmerman handled things perfectly.
I have been in similar situations, handled it more directly but controlled
the situation so that no violence resulted.
Zimmerman's tactics can be criticized but bad tactics is not a crime.

We have only the claim of a proven liar that Trayvon initiated anything.

And a whole lot of physical evidence presented in court that correlated with Z's "story" and in no way shape or form suggested anything otherwise.
Other than that pesky detail, you may be on to something

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 4/2/2014 1:42:58 PM

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Then present it. Not a bunch of assertions but actual proof. You wouldn't be repeating stuff made up and spread by Frank Taafe would you?

Nope. I'm referring to stuff that became available through the discovery process at trial. You can start here:

http://gzlegalcase.com/index.php/court-documents?start=18

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 4/2/2014 1:44:18 PM

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I almost fell off my chair but we agree on the abuse of children by gangs.
We may never agree on the Trayvon/Zimmerman events and outcome as we have different beliefs on who should have done what.
I do not allow other people's political beliefs to cloud my own, in my heart of hearts I don't believe that kid should have died.

I don't think the kid deserved to die either.
That said he did initiate the violence and that act caused his death.
This does not means that I think Zimmerman handled things perfectly.
I have been in similar situations, handled it more directly but controlled
the situation so that no violence resulted.
Zimmerman's tactics can be criticized but bad tactics is not a crime.

We have only the claim of a proven liar that Trayvon initiated anything.

Then you didn't pay attention the prosecution even admitted that Martin
initiated the violence.
And the only proof that he lied is that you don't want to believe him.
There is also, apparently minor fact that almost two years ago he was acquitted.
The juror mentioned earlier who, after voting for acquittal, claimed Zimmerman
got away with murder complained about how self defense protected him.

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People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 4/2/2014 1:47:27 PM

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The forensic and witness evidence overwhelmingly supported what George told the Police. Thus, he was acquitted. The end.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 4/2/2014 1:52:47 PM

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The forensic and witness evidence overwhelmingly supported what George told the Police. Thus, he was acquitted. The end.

The officer whom we were told time after time wanted to arrest and charge him said
under oath that he believed Zimmerman's story.
And nobody is going to give a totally accurate account of a fight, nobody.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 4/2/2014 2:08:00 PM

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Brilliant, so a 17 year old walking home from the store being chased by a creepy old man at night is not going to be freaked the F out. Yea, that happens on this planet, LOL.

See above, that's all that needs to be said at the end of the day. If a potential rapist is chasing me as a teenager at night, boy or girl, I have the right to defend myself. But you can keep making arguments for predators if you wish.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 4/2/2014 2:15:40 PM

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The trouble with that though, is Trayvon had gotten away. George had no idea where he was for like two minutes, and was 20-30 seconds away from his truck when Trayvon came back to him.

The spot where George tells the dispatcher that he ran, and later that he has no idea where he is...that's the same spot where the fight started. Wherever Trayvon ran; whatever he was doing, he returned to that spot or else the fight never would have happened.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 4/2/2014 2:16:31 PM

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Brilliant, so a 17 year old walking home from the store being chased by a creepy old man at night is not going to be freaked the F out. Yea, that happens on this planet, LOL.

See above, that's all that needs to be said at the end of the day. If a potential rapist is chasing me as a teenager at night, boy or girl, I have the right to defend myself. But you can keep making arguments for predators if you wish.

And had Zimmerman been the attacker this comment would be relevant.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 4/2/2014 2:43:57 PM

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Brilliant, so a 17 year old walking home from the store being chased by a creepy old man at night is not going to be freaked the F out. Yea, that happens on this planet, LOL.

Being 63 I find describing a 30 year old as a creepy old man offensive, you have no idea what old means.
And he wasn't being chased, the was never any indication that Zimmerman had any intention at all
of catching him, a prime component in chasing. It was a residential area the assumption
that another person heading in roughly the same direction is chasing him would amount
to unbridled paranoia.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 4/2/2014 3:01:52 PM

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Then present it. Not a bunch of assertions but actual proof. You wouldn't be repeating stuff made up and spread by Frank Taafe would you?

Nope. I'm referring to stuff that became available through the discovery process at trial. You can start here:

http://gzlegalcase.com/index.php/court-documents?start=18

Like I thought. Text messages. Kids brag. Proof would be some documentation that he actually did any of the things you claim. You claim he was a super violent predator who attacked Zimmerman without provocation then he should have a documentable history of such and there is none.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 4/2/2014 3:05:55 PM

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I almost fell off my chair but we agree on the abuse of children by gangs.
We may never agree on the Trayvon/Zimmerman events and outcome as we have different beliefs on who should have done what.
I do not allow other people's political beliefs to cloud my own, in my heart of hearts I don't believe that kid should have died.

I don't think the kid deserved to die either.
That said he did initiate the violence and that act caused his death.
This does not means that I think Zimmerman handled things perfectly.
I have been in similar situations, handled it more directly but controlled
the situation so that no violence resulted.
Zimmerman's tactics can be criticized but bad tactics is not a crime.

We have only the claim of a proven liar that Trayvon initiated anything.

Then you didn't pay attention the prosecution even admitted that Martin
initiated the violence.
And the only proof that he lied is that you don't want to believe him.
There is also, apparently minor fact that almost two years ago he was acquitted.
The juror mentioned earlier who, after voting for acquittal, claimed Zimmerman
got away with murder complained about how self defense protected him.

No. We all know Zimmerman lied. Previously I even forced you to admit it. The fact is that the prosecution should have made the point over and over again that if Zimmerman was on his back and his gun was in his waistband behind his back then Trayvon could not have seen it so he could not have tried to take it and they could not have struggled over it. Therefore Zimmerman pulled it for some other reason. Therefore Zimmerman lied. Therefore he is guilty.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 4/2/2014 3:08:25 PM

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I almost fell off my chair but we agree on the abuse of children by gangs.
We may never agree on the Trayvon/Zimmerman events and outcome as we have different beliefs on who should have done what.
I do not allow other people's political beliefs to cloud my own, in my heart of hearts I don't believe that kid should have died.

I don't think the kid deserved to die either.
That said he did initiate the violence and that act caused his death.
This does not means that I think Zimmerman handled things perfectly.
I have been in similar situations, handled it more directly but controlled
the situation so that no violence resulted.
Zimmerman's tactics can be criticized but bad tactics is not a crime.

We have only the claim of a proven liar that Trayvon initiated anything.

Then you didn't pay attention the prosecution even admitted that Martin
initiated the violence.
And the only proof that he lied is that you don't want to believe him.
There is also, apparently minor fact that almost two years ago he was acquitted.
The juror mentioned earlier who, after voting for acquittal, claimed Zimmerman
got away with murder complained about how self defense protected him.

No. We all know Zimmerman lied. Previously I even forced you to admit it. The fact is that the prosecution should have made the point over and over again that if Zimmerman was on his back and his gun was in his waistband behind his back then Trayvon could not have seen it so he could not have tried to take it and they could not have struggled over it. Therefore Zimmerman pulled it for some other reason. Therefore Zimmerman lied. Therefore he is guilty.

Selective memory strikes again.
Zimmerman's gun was on the side.
And you have never forced me to admit to anything.
You clearly cannot comprehend the difference in total
accuracy in describing a traumatic situation and lying.
And the jury said not guilty.

< Message edited by BamaD -- 4/2/2014 3:10:22 PM >

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 4/2/2014 3:08:43 PM

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The trouble with that though, is Trayvon had gotten away. George had no idea where he was for like two minutes, and was 20-30 seconds away from his truck when Trayvon came back to him.

The spot where George tells the dispatcher that he ran, and later that he has no idea where he is...that's the same spot where the fight started. Wherever Trayvon ran; whatever he was doing, he returned to that spot or else the fight never would have happened.

Bullshit.
Zimmerman's claim was that he stood still in the dark, in the rain for 2 minutes out of sight of the street waiting for the police. Which is obviously a lie. He was looking for Trayvon and found him.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 4/2/2014 3:09:58 PM

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ORIGINAL: DominantWoman65

I almost fell off my chair but we agree on the abuse of children by gangs.
We may never agree on the Trayvon/Zimmerman events and outcome as we have different beliefs on who should have done what.
I do not allow other people's political beliefs to cloud my own, in my heart of hearts I don't believe that kid should have died.

I don't think the kid deserved to die either.
That said he did initiate the violence and that act caused his death.
This does not means that I think Zimmerman handled things perfectly.
I have been in similar situations, handled it more directly but controlled
the situation so that no violence resulted.
Zimmerman's tactics can be criticized but bad tactics is not a crime.

We have only the claim of a proven liar that Trayvon initiated anything.

Then you didn't pay attention the prosecution even admitted that Martin
initiated the violence.
And the only proof that he lied is that you don't want to believe him.
There is also, apparently minor fact that almost two years ago he was acquitted.
The juror mentioned earlier who, after voting for acquittal, claimed Zimmerman
got away with murder complained about how self defense protected him.

No. We all know Zimmerman lied. Previously I even forced you to admit it. The fact is that the prosecution should have made the point over and over again that if Zimmerman was on his back and his gun was in his waistband behind his back then Trayvon could not have seen it so he could not have tried to take it and they could not have struggled over it. Therefore Zimmerman pulled it for some other reason. Therefore Zimmerman lied. Therefore he is guilty.

Selective memory strikes again.
Zimmerman's gun was on the side.
And you have never forced me to admit to anything.

No. His own testimony was that his gun was in the back of his waistband.
And yes you did have to admit he'd lied.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 4/2/2014 3:13:51 PM

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The gun in the position that George carried it is quite easy to pull while on the ground, and the forensics showed that Trayvon was on top of George on the ground when the gun was fired.

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