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ORIGINAL: MariaB

But that is the point I was trying to make earlier.

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ORIGINAL: TNDommeK

I agree Peon. Growing up in a well to do family, whores were something that was considered trash. Now that I'm grown and can think on my own..I don't knock their hustle, so to speak. But I don't like being bunched with them.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: TNDommeK

I agree Peon. Growing up in a well to do family, whores were something that was considered trash. Now that I'm grown and can think on my own..I don't knock their hustle, so to speak. But I don't like being bunched with them.

I saw a prostitute, once, in Amsterdam. Interesting experience. Hell, she was beautiful - in a kind of Victorian way - strong face, cheekbones, long nose, that kind of thing. As Bob Hoskins said to Robbie Coltrane about the 'Mona Lisa' (a high class prostitute), in The Long Good Friday "Yeah, she's a whore, but she's still a fucking lady". I did like her, and remember her fondly. She taught me a few essential things.

But I couldn't see a prostitute again, nor ever see a findomme, and for the same reason: the idea just embarrasses me. I can't have that kind of relationship with a woman, not even for thirty minutes. It's wrong for me, in too many ways. It isn't my world.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
It did all affect me, once, and for the worse. You remember that I used to say that I never believed that femdommes were 'real', LP? I used to think there were male fantasists, and women who'd fulfil those fantasies for money, and no other kinds of women.

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This made me feel low, and I already felt low because I was a sub male. (Yes, don't ever underestimate that latter. I'm still sensitive on it, even now - and will still pounce mercilessly on any male or female here who hints that sub males are in any way 'less male' as a result of their sub orientation.)

A quick scan through the femdom profiles on CM would produce a welter of duck-lipped, double-bird girlie squits' photos accompanied by profile text that was deliberately insulting and otherwise showed these girlies had the brains of peanuts. And this happened then, a few years ago, before the deluge of said squits' profiles that we seem to have had recently.

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Different world for women; different standards apply. But, considering that, in the findomme/submale context, we have a clash between some of the most ancient sensitivities of males and females respectively, in a way it's surprising that this topic hasn't been more rancorous than it's been to date.

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ORIGINAL: TNDommeK

Dink I read your post to LP and this idiotic post you just left above...

The point we are trying to make is this... You said you have a problem with anyone exploiting money from male subs. Ok superman, well here is a bit of Information I'm sure you'll ignore: THE MALE SUBS COME TO ME *OFFERING* MONEY!
So now what? How is that exploiting?

You can attempt to bunch us with scammers or whore or prostitutes or whatever you like. Bottom line is, my subs love me. They have been with me for a great amount of time. I'm sure if they were unhappy, they'd go else where.

And I see your point Maria, you are right. However, it's not so much the control I'm giving up but more so trying to educate the dumbass masses who think like dink here. Which are few compared to the ones who enjoy fin dom.

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ORIGINAL: dink22

Lady Pact, I don't understand where you're getting this interpretation from. I don't have a problem with anything anyone else does. As long as it's between two consenting adults, fine. Have I ever said anything otherwise?

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2. I detest anyone (male or female) who tries to exploit submissive males for their money. They are easy targets and I think it's the lowest element
of the human race that does this.

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But fuck it. Evidently you and the lifestyle dommes don't have a problem being lumped in with scam dommes, financial dommes, etc. It's all cool as far as you're concerned.

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Well, Okay. Evidently that's what femdom is in 2013. I'm a guy trying to elevate it to being equal to traditional male-dominant sexuality. And I'm increasingly thinking I'm a fool for doing that. More and more, especially at sites like this, I'm coming to the conclusion that I'm not quite the life-philosopher I thought I was and that maybe femdom is something that happens in males as a kind of Oedipus complex. In other words, it's not a normal sexuality (which I thought it was), but rather a psychological aberration occurring mostly in males.

Which is probably what it is.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: dink22

Lady Pact, I don't understand where you're getting this interpretation from. I don't have a problem with anything anyone else does. As long as it's between two consenting adults, fine. Have I ever said anything otherwise?

I have a feeling that you need to do a little more internal examination.

Here is my position from the beginning, and it has never changed.

1. Femdom is an eccentric, independent sexuality, similar to being gay. Dominant women belong with submissive men and vice versa. These
relationships have great potential for creating gifted children.

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See, here's the thing. I don't care about your loneliness. I don't care about the wants, needs, or desires that you have. You set your own parameters and if they don't meet Mine, I honestly don't care.

Shall you ask that those of us who enjoy needle kink, even though you don't, be separated from those that do?

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Ha, ha. There you go again. Trying to imply that I do what I do for money.

Show Me what you base this on.

See, I could do the same thing. I could say that the fin thing bothers you because you are broke and jealous because, without cash, non of your kinks are being realized.

Works both ways, doesn't it?

Can you prove one occasion that I've scened for money? Nope. No more than I can prove that your opposition to fin kink is based on your jealousy.

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ORIGINAL: dink22

Lady Pact, I don't understand where you're getting this interpretation from. I don't have a problem with anything anyone else does. As long as it's between two consenting adults, fine. Have I ever said anything otherwise?

Here is my position from the beginning, and it has never changed.

1. Femdom is an eccentric, independent sexuality, similar to being gay. Dominant women belong with submissive men and vice versa. These
relationships have great potential for creating gifted children.

2. I detest anyone (male or female) who tries to exploit submissive males for their money. They are easy targets and I think it's the lowest element
of the human race that does this.

Beyond that, I don't care what people do. I don't even care about these bullshit "financial dommes," I've only asked that they be kept separate, and that all the women seeking to profit from the lonliness of submissive males be kept separate as far as profiles on CM. Of course, we both know the response to that was similar to the response on gun control: if people are still going to be murdered, what's the point of having any control??? By the same token, most of the people on CM said, "well if some financial dommes are still going to post profiles as lifestyle dommes anyway, why have any control???"

But fuck it. Evidently you and the lifestyle dommes don't have a problem being lumped in with scam dommes, financial dommes, etc. It's all cool as far as you're concerned.

Well, Okay. Evidently that's what femdom is in 2013. I'm a guy trying to elevate it to being equal to traditional male-dominant sexuality. And I'm increasingly thinking I'm a fool for doing that. More and more, especially at sites like this, I'm coming to the conclusion that I'm not quite the life-philosopher I thought I was and that maybe femdom is something that happens in males as a kind of Oedipus complex. In other words, it's not a normal sexuality (which I thought it was), but rather a psychological aberration occurring mostly in males.

Which is probably what it is.

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Lady Pact, I don't understand where you're getting this interpretation from. I don't have a problem with anything anyone else does. As long as it's between two consenting adults, fine. Have I ever said anything otherwise?

Here is my position from the beginning, and it has never changed.

1. Femdom is an eccentric, independent sexuality, similar to being gay. Dominant women belong with submissive men and vice versa. These
relationships have great potential for creating gifted children.

2. I detest anyone (male or female) who tries to exploit submissive males for their money. They are easy targets and I think it's the lowest element
of the human race that does this.

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Beyond that, I don't care what people do. I don't even care about these bullshit "financial dommes," I've only asked that they be kept separate, and that all the women seeking to profit from the lonliness of submissive males be kept separate as far as profiles on CM. Of course, we both know the response to that was similar to the response on gun control: if people are still going to be murdered, what's the point of having any control??? By the same token, most of the people on CM said, "well if some financial dommes are still going to post profiles as lifestyle dommes anyway, why have any control???"

But fuck it. Evidently you and the lifestyle dommes don't have a problem being lumped in with scam dommes, financial dommes, etc. It's all cool as far as you're concerned.

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Well, Okay. Evidently that's what femdom is in 2013. I'm a guy trying to elevate it to being equal to traditional male-dominant sexuality. And I'm increasingly thinking I'm a fool for doing that. More and more, especially at sites like this, I'm coming to the conclusion that I'm not quite the life-philosopher I thought I was and that maybe femdom is something that happens in males as a kind of Oedipus complex. In other words, it's not a normal sexuality (which I thought it was), but rather a psychological aberration occurring mostly in males.

Which is probably what it is.

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ORIGINAL: dink22
You can make all the accusations you want. But let's be real. How many true "lifestyle" dommes actually have a rack that they pose in front of in fetish attire??? Yeah, maybe a few, but not many. Besides, I remember when your profile most definitely and verbally said you were a pro domme. That may have been something taken away 5 months ago or in the last 5 minutes, I don't know. But you did at one time, and to deny that would certainly damage your credibility with people who read these boards regularly.

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ORIGINAL: evesgrden


Honestly dink, I think you're trying to elevate it because you're not feeling too proud of your own submission, and it's likely because you want to distance yourself from someone who would only get off it they pay for play, or shoes, or camming. Or you may want to distance yourself from the guys who can ONLY get their d/s thrills if they open their wallet, or distance yourself from what you see as men who are desperate, or women whom you equate with working girls.

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ORIGINAL: dink22

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ORIGINAL: TNDommeK

Dink I read your post to LP and this idiotic post you just left above...

The point we are trying to make is this... You said you have a problem with anyone exploiting money from male subs. Ok superman, well here is a bit of Information I'm sure you'll ignore: THE MALE SUBS COME TO ME *OFFERING* MONEY!
So now what? How is that exploiting?

You can attempt to bunch us with scammers or whore or prostitutes or whatever you like. Bottom line is, my subs love me. They have been with me for a great amount of time. I'm sure if they were unhappy, they'd go else where.

And I see your point Maria, you are right. However, it's not so much the control I'm giving up but more so trying to educate the dumbass masses who think like dink here. Which are few compared to the ones who enjoy fin dom.

Hey, thanks for calling my post "idiotic." That does wonders. For you. Thanks for ignoring everything I, like, "actually said." If you actually tried to distance yourself from the scammers and findommes, I would give you credit for that. And you've had the chance. Rather than take it, you've decided to ridicule the male subs who complained about it.

Ahhh. and now after reading your profile I understand!! YOU ARE A FINANCIAL DOMME!! So I guess you're not objective on the topic eh? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!

Sorry, your credibility is destroyed. You don't want people saying bad things about financial dommes because that's a big part of the way you make your money!! You don't actually WORK like most of the rest of us. You've just found that submissive men are a great demographic to EXPLOIT!!

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ORIGINAL: TNDommeK

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ORIGINAL: dink22

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ORIGINAL: TNDommeK

Dink I read your post to LP and this idiotic post you just left above...

The point we are trying to make is this... You said you have a problem with anyone exploiting money from male subs. Ok superman, well here is a bit of Information I'm sure you'll ignore: THE MALE SUBS COME TO ME *OFFERING* MONEY!
So now what? How is that exploiting?

You can attempt to bunch us with scammers or whore or prostitutes or whatever you like. Bottom line is, my subs love me. They have been with me for a great amount of time. I'm sure if they were unhappy, they'd go else where.

And I see your point Maria, you are right. However, it's not so much the control I'm giving up but more so trying to educate the dumbass masses who think like dink here. Which are few compared to the ones who enjoy fin dom.

Hey, thanks for calling my post "idiotic." That does wonders. For you. Thanks for ignoring everything I, like, "actually said." If you actually tried to distance yourself from the scammers and findommes, I would give you credit for that. And you've had the chance. Rather than take it, you've decided to ridicule the male subs who complained about it.

Ahhh. and now after reading your profile I understand!! YOU ARE A FINANCIAL DOMME!! So I guess you're not objective on the topic eh? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!

Sorry, your credibility is destroyed. You don't want people saying bad things about financial dommes because that's a big part of the way you make your money!! You don't actually WORK like most of the rest of us. You've just found that submissive men are a great demographic to EXPLOIT!!

Your post was idiotic, as is this one. Because I have tried numerous times with you to explain the difference between my self and what we call fin ducks. You are the one who chooses to ignore that. Just like that dumbass statement about not " working like the rest of us".. Sweetie, I have three jobs. So nice try. I don't ridicule anyone except for people who attempt to tell me how I do my dominating. You aren't in my life, you don't know me, therefore can only make idiotic assumptions...like you do.

Of course I'm a fin Domme, I never hid that. As a matter of fact, it says so on my sig line and my profile. Had you not just been trying to get your points across and actually read..you'd see that. Credibility destroyed, no...I'd have to put my credibility out for you to attempt to do such a thing.

Now i will go back and read everyone else's responses.