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RE: Past Lives - 7/1/2006 11:14:46 PM   
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would they ????

Or would they just say you're worm food with no soul to worry about in the first place ??

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RE: Past Lives - 7/1/2006 11:18:51 PM   
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Your right Candle, but they would do it in a "written in stone" fashion.

I like your <sig> line, I lived on the Navajo rez for a long time.

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RE: Past Lives - 7/1/2006 11:37:55 PM   
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Actually, no, wulfy, Arpig's statement is very much that of a theist, not an atheist.  He acknowledges that one's "soul" goes to whatever Valhalla the owner of said soul believed in.  What he's saying is that it is a one way ticket...one ride, no repeats.  No rewashes, no redos no takeovers.  ONE SHOT.   You get your average 72 years (77 if you are an XX chromosome carrier) and that's it.  Finis.  Kaput.  The End. (imagine stuttering pig saying 'th-th-th-at's all, folks' here.)

and you know what?  I think he's right, if I think of it at all.  And I'm not really big on navel gazing, so I don't usually think about "past lives".  But the idea that we live on, or we've lived before, is just too damn egotistical for my taste.  Its like you get to be about my age (almost 50) and you JUST want to believe that you got another shot at getting it right.  PLEASE?  Just one more chance to undo the fuckups I did.  And so you invent this idea that maybe you've been there before and can be there again.

Notice that NO ONE ever has a past life of crushing, unbearable mediocrity?  NO ONE -- from Shirley MacLaine to the posts on this board -- talks about how they were a totally forgotten insignificant human chaff in the 8th century and came back again as...a totally forgotten insignificant human chaff in the 9th century, and again...and again.

It may all be chemical.  Indeed, there is some incredible new thought that the very existence of God is chemical -- our brains are wired to produce a "supreme being" else we go mad.  There is a species of flatworm that crawls around in muck all day.  You can "teach" the flatworm to contract -- you run an electric current thru the muck it lives in at the same time you shine a very bright light on the worm.  Electric current = muscle contractions during bright light.  OK? You do this a few times, until the flatworms "get it".  THEN you shine the bright light on the flatworm, without any electric current, and PRESTO, it contracts without the electricity...you've "taught" it LIGHT = Contraction.  Big deal you say?  but wait...just wait...

NOW things get interesting.  Take some of these conditioned flatworms that have the light sensitive training and grind them up into a tasty (to another flatworm) paste.  Feed the ground up conditioned flatworms to a new set of flatworms that have never been conditioned, never been zapped, never been illuminated...they just do flatwormy things in their little flatwormy ooze all day.  The new boys eat the paste made from the old boys.  SHINE A LIGHT ON THE NEW WORMS and...YES...THEY CONTRACT!   What did we do?  Pass on some sort of "learning food"?  Did we modify the flatworm's DNA?  Is this a Past Life?   well...why not?  To the new generation of flatworms, I bet it sure feels like some sort of past life deja vu.  Makes you think, hmmmmm?

(EDITED to note that while I typed the long winded screed above, Candle was talking about "worm food".  WOW.  Eerie?  amazing.  Maybe she and I shared a past life?  I hope so *GRIN* it will get me in good with her to share some of this one *WINK*

Or maybe...just like the fact that 'dog' spelled backwards is 'God'...its a coincidence.)


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RE: Past Lives - 7/1/2006 11:53:23 PM   
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That’s a reasonable explanation Emperor. However my own experiences lead me to believe otherwise. I have of yet to envision a past life of great significance, I have always been a bit humdrum skilled labor type, and I feel that my ability to do just about anything stems from that. I can absolutely say that it was not a genetic trait; throughout my family history they have always been the bad guys with just a talent for scheming and banditry. I can step into anything and excel at it without any training. New tech, as I said, takes a bit of study for me but even then things come easy for me. I sometimes wonder if higher powers arranged my disability to prevent me from taking over the world (tongue firmly in cheek). I didn't let school interfere with my education, I wasn’t allowed that luxury, so most everything I do comes from instinct, intuition, or (for me I found a reasonable theory) past life experience. I wont be so presumptuous to say this is the end all be all but it works for me and i think the all father keeps sending me back because I am just too intolerable to be in the great hall.

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RE: Past Lives - 7/2/2006 12:20:48 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Emperor1956

Notice that NO ONE ever has a past life of crushing, unbearable mediocrity?  NO ONE -- from Shirley MacLaine to the posts on this board -- talks about how they were a totally forgotten insignificant human chaff in the 8th century and came back again as...a totally forgotten insignificant human chaff in the 9th century, and again...and again.


actually, since according to what i believe, i've been reborn innumerable times, it's quite possible that i was a peasant in many lives, and i probably spent a hell of a lot of time as a bug.

however, since i think past life regressionists are probably charlatans (particularly the ones who charge for it), for the most part, i would guess they tell people they were important figures simply because that makes them look better and they probably get paid more. then again, i've never been to a past life regressionist, so i wouldn't know for sure. :)  


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RE: Past Lives - 7/2/2006 8:08:35 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Emperor1956
Notice that NO ONE ever has a past life of crushing, unbearable mediocrity?  NO ONE -- from Shirley MacLaine to the posts on this board -- talks about how they were a totally forgotten insignificant human chaff in the 8th century and came back again as...a totally forgotten insignificant human chaff in the 9th century, and again...and again.

Chuckle, while I won't go into details, I will say that I actually do have such memories.

One could reason that people only remember the exciting and traumatic.  Just like most people don't recall the day they did nothing but sleep, read the paper and go to the store unless something special happened.  It doesn't mean they didn't do it, just that their memories didn't imprint the experiences solidly enough.  It's an efficient way for our minds to sort and deal with all of the information it gets.

So there's no reason the same couldn't be said of past lives.


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RE: Past Lives - 7/2/2006 8:38:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

quote:

ORIGINAL: Emperor1956
Notice that NO ONE ever has a past life of crushing, unbearable mediocrity?  NO ONE -- from Shirley MacLaine to the posts on this board -- talks about how they were a totally forgotten insignificant human chaff in the 8th century and came back again as...a totally forgotten insignificant human chaff in the 9th century, and again...and again.

Chuckle, while I won't go into details, I will say that I actually do have such memories.

One could reason that people only remember the exciting and traumatic.  Just like most people don't recall the day they did nothing but sleep, read the paper and go to the store unless something special happened.  It doesn't mean they didn't do it, just that their memories didn't imprint the experiences solidly enough.  It's an efficient way for our minds to sort and deal with all of the information it gets.

So there's no reason the same couldn't be said of past lives.



Emperor,
I haven't recalled being anyone in history that was well know. The woman I see the most and connect with the most is not in any way wealthy either. Pretty much middle class in Europe(England) around the beginning of World War 2. She doesn't have a partner but she has a short male person. I also am very connected to a Native American young male warrior who lived before any white people came to this country. He is not even of real high standing with-in the tribe, a good warrior but much more inclined to enjoy and use the right side of his brain. He died a young death, early 20's in an Inter-Nation battle.
 
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