Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

geopee sabotage of ACA......Don`t act like you`re surprised.


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> geopee sabotage of ACA......Don`t act like you`re surprised. Page: [1] 2 3   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
geopee sabotage of ACA......Don`t act like you`re surpr... - 11/5/2013 8:51:01 AM   
Owner59


Posts: 17033
Joined: 3/14/2006
From: Dirty Jersey
Status: offline 		It was a given.....


Did anyone believe the cons were upset that the website overloaded?


Was anyone surprised that the party that tricked 4400 American soldiers into getting killed is calling for an impeachment of the President over the website/rollout glitches?





"To the undisputed reasons for Obamacare’s rocky rollout — a balky website, muddied White House messaging and sudden sticker shock for individuals forced to buy more expensive health insurance — add a less acknowledged cause: calculated sabotage by Republicans at every step.

That may sound like a left-wing conspiracy theory — and the Obama administration itself is so busy defending the indefensible early failings of its signature program that it has barely tried to make this case. But there is a strong factual basis for such a charge."


But the bitter fight over passage was only the beginning of the war to stop Obamacare. Most Republican governors declined to create their own state insurance exchanges — an option inserted in the bill in the Senate to appeal to the classic conservative preference for local control — forcing the federal government to take at least partial responsibility for creating marketplaces serving 36 states — far more than ever intended.

Then congressional Republicans refused repeatedly to appropriate dedicated funds to do all that extra work, leaving the Health and Human Services Department and other agencies to cobble together HealthCare.gov by redirecting funds from existing programs. On top of that, nearly half of the states declined to expand their Medicaid programs using federal funds, as the law envisioned."


http://www.politico.com/story/2013/11/the-obamacare-sabotage-campaign-99176.html#ixzz2jn3xvbXX

_____________________________

"As for our common defense, we reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals"

President Obama
Profile   Post #: 1
RE: geopee sabotage of ACA......Don`t act like you`re s... - 11/5/2013 8:57:19 AM   
mnottertail


Posts: 60698
Joined: 11/3/2004
Status: offline 		Alinskyist nutsackers sabotaging it from the inside. 

Goebbelist nutsackers sabotaging it from the outside.

We knew.

No one has ever accused them of a vigourous social or infrastructure agenda for the american citizenry. 

_____________________________

Have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two? Judges 5:30


(in reply to Owner59)
Profile   Post #: 2
RE: geopee sabotage of ACA......Don`t act like you`re s... - 11/5/2013 9:59:56 AM   
Yachtie


Posts: 3593
Joined: 1/18/2012
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Alinskyist nutsackers sabotaging it from the inside. 



You said you're the only one fluent in Alinsky, having read it and all. Alinsky is the playbook of Progressivism. It's fun watching your definitions and attributions change. I'd swear you're an Obama speechwriter.


_____________________________

“We all know it’s going to end badly, but in the meantime we can make some money.” - Jim Cramer, CNBC

“Those who ‘abjure’ violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.” - George Orwell

(in reply to mnottertail)
Profile   Post #: 3
RE: geopee sabotage of ACA......Don`t act like you`re s... - 11/5/2013 10:49:27 AM   
mnottertail


Posts: 60698
Joined: 11/3/2004
Status: offline 		Uh, no it aint the playbook of progressivism. Dick Armey handed it out to all the nutsacker gauleiters to read to learn, it is now the playbook of neanderthalism.  But you would have missed that, not being fluent in English language comprehension at lower gradeschool levels.  

Your attributing words to others that they did not say, nor intend, is opera bouffe given your massive ineptitude in such endeavors.  

_____________________________

Have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two? Judges 5:30


(in reply to Yachtie)
Profile   Post #: 4
RE: geopee sabotage of ACA......Don`t act like you`re s... - 11/5/2013 11:20:08 AM   
Yachtie


Posts: 3593
Joined: 1/18/2012
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Uh, no it aint the playbook of progressivism. Dick Armey handed it out to all the nutsacker gauleiters to read to learn, it is now the playbook of neanderthalism.  But you would have missed that, not being fluent in English language comprehension at lower gradeschool levels.  

Your attributing words to others that they did not say, nor intend, is opera bouffe given your massive ineptitude in such endeavors.  



Perhaps Armey did. So what? I've read Mein Kampf as to better understand. Doesn't make me a Nazi. Alinsky and Progressivism go hand in hand.

_____________________________

“We all know it’s going to end badly, but in the meantime we can make some money.” - Jim Cramer, CNBC

“Those who ‘abjure’ violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.” - George Orwell

(in reply to mnottertail)
Profile   Post #: 5
RE: geopee sabotage of ACA......Don`t act like you`re s... - 11/5/2013 11:41:13 AM   
mnottertail


Posts: 60698
Joined: 11/3/2004
Status: offline 		Well of course it does, the regressives dont want to improve government or society, they want to destroy it, in a transcend and perish Neitzschean way.  Auger the whole fuckoree in.  That's why they are so inept at it, having read the book and are a laughinstock.  It is like putting socks on a rooster to get nutsackers to attempt things that aren't purely uselessly irrelevant.  

_____________________________

Have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two? Judges 5:30


(in reply to Yachtie)
Profile   Post #: 6
RE: geopee sabotage of ACA......Don`t act like you`re s... - 11/5/2013 12:07:30 PM   
Yachtie


Posts: 3593
Joined: 1/18/2012
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Well of course it does, the regressives dont want to improve government or society, they want to destroy it, in a transcend and perish Neitzschean way.  Auger the whole fuckoree in.  That's why they are so inept at it, having read the book and are a laughinstock.  It is like putting socks on a rooster to get nutsackers to attempt things that aren't purely uselessly irrelevant.  



The neo-cons and progressives occupy different sides of the same coin. You know that.

_____________________________

“We all know it’s going to end badly, but in the meantime we can make some money.” - Jim Cramer, CNBC

“Those who ‘abjure’ violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.” - George Orwell

(in reply to mnottertail)
Profile   Post #: 7
RE: geopee sabotage of ACA......Don`t act like you`re s... - 11/5/2013 12:23:30 PM   
Moonhead


Posts: 16520
Joined: 9/21/2009
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie
Alinsky is the playbook of Progressivism.

Nothing to do with Marx or Engels, then?

_____________________________

I like to think he was eaten by rats, in the dark, during a fog. It's what he would have wanted...
(Simon R Green on the late James Herbert)

(in reply to Yachtie)
Profile   Post #: 8
RE: geopee sabotage of ACA......Don`t act like you`re s... - 11/5/2013 12:25:53 PM   
mnottertail


Posts: 60698
Joined: 11/3/2004
Status: offline 		not at all.   Wolfowitz, Cheney, W, Graham, Gingrich, Libby, Rumsfield, Rice.......nothing progressive about those shiteaters.

Reagan, and his ilk, fuckheads one and all. 

wasters and destroyers.   they don't occupy the same fucking universe as progressives.

Here is the ostensible philosophy of these fucking wastrels:

Today's neo-conservatives unite around three common themes:

A belief deriving from religious conviction that the human condition is defined as a choice between good and evil and that the true measure of political character is to be found in the willingness by the former (themselves) to confront the latter.
An assertion that the fundamental determinant of the relationship between states rests on military power and the willingness to use it.
A primary focus on the Middle East and global Islam as the principal theater for American overseas interests.
In putting these themes into practice, neo-conservatives:

Analyze international issues in black-and-white, absolute moral categories. They are fortified by a conviction that they alone hold the moral high ground and argue that disagreement is tantamount to defeatism.
Focus on the "unipolar" power of the United States, seeing the use of military force as the first, not the last, option of foreign policy. They repudiate the "lessons of Vietnam," which they interpret as undermining American will toward the use of force, and embrace the "lessons of Munich," interpreted as establishing the virtues of preemptive military action.
Disdain conventional diplomatic agencies such as the State Department and conventional country-specific, realist, and pragmatic, analysis. They are hostile toward nonmilitary multilateral institutions and instinctively antagonistic toward international treaties and agreements. "Global unilateralism" is their watchword. They are fortified by international criticism, believing that it confirms American virtue.
Look to the Reagan administration as the exemplar of all these virtues and seek to establish their version of Reagan's legacy as the Republican and national orthodoxy. 

(outta wiki, and pretty good.)  That is about as progressive as the nutsackers are fiscally conservative.

neo-cons are the lowest house servants of the neanderthals.



_____________________________

Have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two? Judges 5:30


(in reply to Yachtie)
Profile   Post #: 9
RE: geopee sabotage of ACA......Don`t act like you`re s... - 11/5/2013 12:28:13 PM   
DesideriScuri


Posts: 12225
Joined: 1/18/2012
Status: offline 		FR,

More GOP sabotage!!!

    quote:

    Some of Thomas Harte 's New Hampshire neighbors are frustrated by the Affordable Care Act's insurance marketplaces but not for the reasons you might expect.
    Harte is an insurance broker. He still has his share of frustrations with the marketplace websites, but the growing number of complaints he hears come from clients and fellow brokers who have seen the policies these marketplaces offer.
    Nationally the marketplaces offer tens of thousands of different policies with a wide variety of coverage, but Harte has noticed many have one thing in common: They cover a narrow network of doctors and hospitals.
    That narrower network comes as particularly bad news for the residents of Concord, New Hampshire.
    Concord's one hospital won't accept any policies offered by the marketplaces. To see a doctor, specialist or primary care provider affiliated with the hospital, patients on these Obamacare plans will have to pay out of their own pocket. The closest in-network hospital is in Manchester.
    "Can you imagine having to go 25 miles away to Manchester to get access to a health care provider that is covered by your insurance?" Harte asked. "Right now, Concord is one big black hole of health care for people buying these plans."
    And it's not just Concord. Nationally, consumers are learning a number of well-known hospitals won't accept insurance offered through the marketplaces.
    In New York, NYU will accept only a minority of the plans. In Los Angeles, UCLA medical centers will accept a couple. In Atlanta, Emory has limited the number of plans it will take. Academic medical centers are often pricier because they tackle the more complex cases.





_____________________________

What I support:

  • A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  • Personal Responsibility
  • Help for the truly needy
  • Limited Government
  • Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)

(in reply to Yachtie)
Profile   Post #: 10
RE: geopee sabotage of ACA......Don`t act like you`re s... - 11/5/2013 12:31:14 PM   
EdBowie


Posts: 875
Joined: 8/11/2013
Status: offline 		Ailes, Alinsky, tomato, to-mahto...
quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Alinskyist nutsackers sabotaging it from the inside. 



You said you're the only one fluent in Alinsky, having read it and all. Alinsky is the playbook of Progressivism. It's fun watching your definitions and attributions change. I'd swear you're an Obama speechwriter.



(in reply to Yachtie)
Profile   Post #: 11
RE: geopee sabotage of ACA......Don`t act like you`re s... - 11/5/2013 12:35:22 PM   
Yachtie


Posts: 3593
Joined: 1/18/2012
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

not at all.   Wolfowitz, Cheney, W, Graham, Gingrich, Libby, Rumsfield, Rice.......nothing progressive about those shiteaters.

Reagan, and his ilk, fuckheads one and all. 

wasters and destroyers.   they don't occupy the same fucking universe as progressives.



Correct. They get along with them though, but not overtly and not on every issue. As I said, two sides of the same coin, but heads is not tails. It's a symbiosis, either one at any time being either shark or Remora.


< Message edited by Yachtie -- 11/5/2013 12:36:21 PM >

_____________________________

“We all know it’s going to end badly, but in the meantime we can make some money.” - Jim Cramer, CNBC

“Those who ‘abjure’ violence can only do so because others are committing violence on their behalf.” - George Orwell

(in reply to mnottertail)
Profile   Post #: 12
RE: geopee sabotage of ACA......Don`t act like you`re s... - 11/5/2013 12:52:20 PM   
mnottertail


Posts: 60698
Joined: 11/3/2004
Status: offline 		Oh my dying fuckin ass, why do you think W and Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, et al are in hiding?  They aint gladhanding nobody. 

Never.  Do you know people can see the stupid shit you write?  That is as fuckin hallucinatory as it gets.

Show me where Panetta and Rumsfeld are playing footsie with each other at the  strip bar, it ain't happenin.  Condi Rice and Hillary Clinton, where are they snuffing each others gashes?  They're set in that respect, and the sisterhood ends right the fuck there, old cheese.

Fuck no.

_____________________________

Have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two? Judges 5:30


(in reply to Yachtie)
Profile   Post #: 13
RE: geopee sabotage of ACA......Don`t act like you`re s... - 11/5/2013 12:58:11 PM   
Phydeaux


Posts: 4828
Joined: 1/4/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Uh, no it aint the playbook of progressivism. Dick Armey handed it out to all the nutsacker gauleiters to read to learn, it is now the playbook of neanderthalism.  But you would have missed that, not being fluent in English language comprehension at lower gradeschool levels.  

Your attributing words to others that they did not say, nor intend, is opera bouffe given your massive ineptitude in such endeavors.  



Well, just to keep the record straight.

A shortened version of Alinsky work is given free to anyone in his organization.
An edited longer version is handed out to the various leaders.

As the book itself says, its so those involved in the tea party movement can know what tactics the their opponents will use, and how to counter them.

(in reply to mnottertail)
Profile   Post #: 14
RE: geopee sabotage of ACA......Don`t act like you`re s... - 11/5/2013 1:01:51 PM   
Phydeaux


Posts: 4828
Joined: 1/4/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Well of course it does, the regressives dont want to improve government or society, they want to destroy it, in a transcend and perish Neitzschean way.  Auger the whole fuckoree in.  That's why they are so inept at it, having read the book and are a laughinstock.  It is like putting socks on a rooster to get nutsackers to attempt things that aren't purely uselessly irrelevant.  



Oh I get it!

So obama is a regressive. AP reports that the number of people that have lost health insurance is now 3.8 million. And climbing just as I said it would over a month ago.

That explains a lot.

(in reply to mnottertail)
Profile   Post #: 15
RE: geopee sabotage of ACA......Don`t act like you`re s... - 11/5/2013 1:08:31 PM   
mnottertail


Posts: 60698
Joined: 11/3/2004
Status: offline 		To keep the record straight, bullshit. 

quote:


[color=#ff0000 size=5]As the book itself says, its so those involved in the tea party movement can know what tactics the their opponents will use, and how to counter them.


Uh of the two books Alinsky wrote, one was 1946 the other was like 1971.  It said no such thing, and they obviously didn't read it, cuz they are still inept, ineffective, and fucking stupid.

< Message edited by mnottertail -- 11/5/2013 1:09:19 PM >

_____________________________

Have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two? Judges 5:30


(in reply to Phydeaux)
Profile   Post #: 16
RE: geopee sabotage of ACA......Don`t act like you`re s... - 11/5/2013 1:14:39 PM   
Phydeaux


Posts: 4828
Joined: 1/4/2004
Status: offline 		To the original poster:

I'm just curious here.

You're saying that after the original bill failed to garner a single republican vote, that the dims didn't figure there would be determined opposition to the bill?

After the dims lost the house, you don't think the dims should have expected no additional funding?


Returning to the crux of your argument - I don't know if you've ever built a website. But websites work pretty well regardless of what state you're calling from. There is very little difference between making a website for ten states and making one for twenty.



This line of attack is just blame share.

The fact of the matter is the obama administration delayed writing the regulations, to avoid pissing off the electorate.
The fact of the matter is that the software developer didn't even start writing the software until this year.
The fact of the matter is that rather than listen to the technical people that said it wasn't ready the administration's response was "failure is not an option".

The fact of the matter is that the obama administration spent more than 94 million dollars advertizing to drum up subscriptions. That money could have been spent to, ya know, actually make a site that works.

The fact of the matter is the site crashed a few hours after midnight on its first day open when 2700 people visited.

The fact is that you don't roll out a service that is going to kill people (by making them lose their insurance coverage) with two weeks of testing.
And thats what the obama adminsitration did.

Something that is going to spend 1.85 trillion dollars, they tested for 2 weeks.


< Message edited by Phydeaux -- 11/5/2013 1:15:13 PM >

(in reply to Owner59)
Profile   Post #: 17
RE: geopee sabotage of ACA......Don`t act like you`re s... - 11/5/2013 1:21:55 PM   
mnottertail


Posts: 60698
Joined: 11/3/2004
Status: offline 		I guess it was less confusing as when the nutsackers passed repeal 42 times.  It will become even less confusing when the inept nutsackers are sent down the road in the elections, those swing seats are gonna swing the other way, that is why the nutsackers been gerrymandering the shit outa districts so they can save some of them.

And as we are all very aware, you possess no facts of the matter. 

_____________________________

Have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two? Judges 5:30


(in reply to Phydeaux)
Profile   Post #: 18
RE: geopee sabotage of ACA......Don`t act like you`re s... - 11/5/2013 6:26:40 PM   
EdBowie


Posts: 875
Joined: 8/11/2013
Status: offline 		Wow! that's a lot of people, a significant percentage out of the alleged pool of people who already had insurance they were happy with.

Just ripped away from them by armed IRS attack squads, hmmmm? Wonder why I and every employed (or even retired) person I know, still have ours?


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Well of course it does, the regressives dont want to improve government or society, they want to destroy it, in a transcend and perish Neitzschean way.  Auger the whole fuckoree in.  That's why they are so inept at it, having read the book and are a laughinstock.  It is like putting socks on a rooster to get nutsackers to attempt things that aren't purely uselessly irrelevant.  



Oh I get it!

So obama is a regressive. AP reports that the number of people that have lost health insurance is now 3.8 million. And climbing just as I said it would over a month ago.

That explains a lot.


(in reply to Phydeaux)
Profile   Post #: 19
RE: geopee sabotage of ACA......Don`t act like you`re s... - 11/5/2013 11:41:13 PM   
BamaD


Posts: 20687
Joined: 2/27/2005
Status: offline 		FR
Sabotaging Obamacare is like sabotaging an airplane after the wings have fallen off, in flight.

< Message edited by BamaD -- 11/5/2013 11:43:35 PM >

_____________________________

Government ranges from a necessary evil to an intolerable one. Thomas Paine

People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

(in reply to EdBowie)
Profile   Post #: 20
Page:   [1] 2 3   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> geopee sabotage of ACA......Don`t act like you`re surprised. Page: [1] 2 3   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.102