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confusetheswede -> simple questions (4/7/2004 8:16:32 PM)

can someone explain objectifcation to me?thanks.xoxomarinas




topcat -> RE: simple questions (4/7/2004 9:07:57 PM)

dear Marinas-


Objectification is simply to treat another as an object, instead of a person.

In this milieu, it may refer to treating a partner as a 'sex object' (a thing that exists solely to be used sexually) or even as furniture or decoration. It's often seen as falling hand in hand with humilation, but to me there is a distinction, though it's difficult to put into words.

Many find a great heat in it-

stay warm,
Lawrence




ShadeDiva -> RE: simple questions (4/7/2004 10:25:44 PM)

Hmmm.

I agree that it often goes hand in hand but that there is at the coire, a distinct difference.

Let me see if I can mange to convey this in writing.

Objectification is to in some manner treat the person as an object. It could be as a stool, a table, a lamp, a statue, a plant, a coat rack, a clothesline (holding a clothesline up in some fashion either with another person on the other end, or with the other end being held up by a wall, tree, post, etc. They generally aren't addressed or acknowledged while in role when there isn't humiliation present in the objectification, they are simply used as what they are there to provide. One could say it is to be of service in a very pure and simple form - without ego, without id, without expecting normal human interaction - just use. After all, one doesn't normally speak to their lamps. (well okay I *do* talk at inanimate objects under my breath, especially when they arent working the way they should ... buttt I digress, LOL!)

As an object the submissive can submerege themselves in a wholly service orientated action/position where their attention is focused solely on the service they are providing (used as a table, you just better not spill that drink! tee hee), and come into contact with their deep core of needing to serve. Hmmm let's see I guess one could put that as being in a state of mind where one gets satisfacation from being primarily of use to their dominant to the best of their ability in whatever chosen task the dominant seeks of them, no matter how detached or mundane that might be.

For the service orientated submissive/slave, the sheer act of *being* of service and used as such can be intensely satisifying and gratifiying, and can often trigger sub space, or a place of quiet contemplation and attention to form and detail or grace.

Being used amongst many people can give the "object" a definitive *high* as many people are making use of their service, and they are striving to reflect their dominant well by being the best object they have been assigned to be.

This can be reaffirming of ones servitude or *place* or show that they may be asked to do things just to please or benefit the dominant without their wants being the deciding factor, or to highlight and underscore the power and control they have given to dominant to weild as they choose. It can really mean so many things, that I couldn't possibly list them all.

Now humiliation I will assume that most understand what that means, so I won't waste time with that aspect, but I will attempt to touch on why and how it can go hand in hand with objectification.

Objectification in of itself isn't really humiliating for a service orientated submissive/slave, nor I think for most submissives/slaves, unless their head space puts that particular spin on it. By that I mean a submissive may feel that to be used in such a manner, to be made use of without recognition or human interaction to be a bit degrading. If they have that spin, then objectification does somewhat bleed into humiliation. Or perhaps in the home by themselves they have no humiliation factor but for others to witness their dominant merely using them like they would any inanimate object, or even to have the *witnesses* use them like an inanimate object may feel degrading. Or perhaps to be the coat rack at a play party, or a table, or stool where *anyone* can utilize them might be a bit humiliating. Really just a twist of circumstance and atmosphere can change objectification from just a service provided to a vehicle for humiliation.

If that alone doesn't do it, one can humiliate them by addressing the quality of their service they are providing as an object, either in a good way (teasing, pinching, praising, noting little things to make them feel like they are the center of attention which can be very humiliating for some people, and a rush for others, lol). Comments like, my my, such a precious little statue you have Jerry! Oh look, her arms must be getting so tired! See that little trembling in the bicep? Oh how adorable, look at her breast quivering just standing there, my my my, you really ought to auction this one off for the next charity function, Jerry, honestly, she would fetch a good price! This for a very shy, reserved, self conscious person can be very humiliating. Really.

Or perhaps the *bad* comments: Tsk! Sarah! Come quickly, and see your boy here! He spilled my drink! (nevermind that the poor fellow is hogtied and pegged to the floor and was being tickled with a feather by the very person now "complaining" about the quality of his service, lol) For shame boy, don't you know that reflects poorly on your owner? I thought you were SO much a better little slave than that! I see I misjudged your abilities, how *very* disappointing! Maybe you need to have some dried pinto beans spread underneath you to help you concentrate on being better at remaining still! I swear Sarah, I just don't know what you SEE in this one, just pathetic! He couldn't even clean my shoes well, just LOOK at that smear! What kind of table is that?? (now for someone that adores humiliation this kind of tirade and predictament would be throughly hot, lol)

So maybe being the object isn't really the humiliating thing, nor having witnesses, but the interaction with either being pleased or displeased with the service they are providing as an object is the degrading factor that turns being an onject into a humiliating experience.

It certainly does lend itself to a humiliation scene with those that happen to enjoy that, or when the dominant is wishing to either make a point, try a new stretch and twist on training and the joys of pleasing and doing your best at providing a service for services sake or the sake of the dominants pleasure, or both. But they really are two distinctly different tools/techniques that can be used together or by themselves.

Hmmm ... did that help make the distinction at all?

I'm not even sure. LOL!

~ShadeDiva




proudsub -> RE: simple questions (4/8/2004 1:57:24 PM)

quote:

So maybe being the object isn't really the humiliating thing


unless that object is a toilet bowl lol

Great answer ShadeDiva!!!




iwillserveu -> RE: simple questions (4/8/2004 5:32:40 PM)

proudsub,

I've also read of ashtrays.[:)]

I'll second the good answer, ShadeDiva.




Estring -> RE: simple questions (4/8/2004 11:21:52 PM)

I saw a Japanese site that had female subs used as tables, chairs, lamps, even Christmas trees! Would a Jewish sub have that as a hard limit? [:D]




MizSuz -> RE: simple questions (4/9/2004 6:15:42 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Estring

I saw a Japanese site that had female subs used as tables, chairs, lamps, even Christmas trees! Would a Jewish sub have that as a hard limit? [:D]


Hahahaha That's funny.

I've a dominant woman friend who is jewish and often decorates subs as christmas trees during the season. Over the years it's become a bit of a game for her, I think. She's a riot in general and usually manages to find a new spin every year.




ShadeDiva -> RE: simple questions (4/14/2004 9:20:19 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Estring
Would a Jewish sub have that as a hard limit? [:D]


*smile*

But they could *so* easily become something else of their beliefs (unless they found that to be like blasphemous or something) like let's see ... a dreidel, maybe a Menorah, or a scroll?

Not too familair with that particular faith and if even making those suggestions would be considered being insulting or not. If so, I apologize - I don't mean to belittle or make light of someone's religion.

~ShadeDiva




rain -> RE: simple questions (4/14/2004 9:45:11 PM)

i'm Jewish, and i'd have no prob being a christmas tree, just don't forget to water me!

~rain~




proudsub -> RE: simple questions (4/14/2004 10:52:13 PM)

quote:

i'm Jewish, and i'd have no prob being a christmas tree, just don't forget to water me!


LOL rain, hmmm wonder how you would like to be watered[;)]




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