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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/20/2014 11:55:30 AM

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Uh, learn about dictionaries before you blather on about that shit, the nuances of the definitions contain no primary or secondary or tertiary definitions.

the definition marked 2007 is as valid and useable as the one marked one. (there could be some quibble if it is marked (archaic) but no, one does not favor another.

Milesn miles it seems like I owe you an apology over my claim that you were bending things. My reasoning involved the premise that you had at least an elementary school level of ability at operating dictionaries. Bad assumption on my part, sorry.

I didn't realize so many had no idea how a dictionary works, so I will repeat it.

When you look up a word in a dictionary, the first or #1 definition is the primary or most often used definition of the word in question. Which is what I said. I did not say that the other definitions were wrong or could not be used, just that they are not what is considered by that dictionary to be the primary definition or the way the word is used most often.

That is why when you get to the "2007th" definition, you have no clue the word could be used that way because you have never seen or heard it used that way and that way will never be listed as #1. ;-)

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/20/2014 12:08:19 PM

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When you look up a word in a dictionary, the first or #1 definition is the primary or most often used definition of the word in question. Which is what I said. I did not say that the other definitions were wrong or could not be used, just that they are not what is considered by that dictionary to be the primary definition or the way the word is used most often.

No, absolutely not, the one marked number one is the first one listed, they are listed in no ordinal sequence regarding primacy of meaning. They may be, in order of common usage, for that time, place and dictionary, but that does not lend the word to having a primacy of meaning in terms of ordination. A demonstration.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/be?s=t

do you understand how that can be?

Nothing you have said could be more wrong, and you have said some ignorantly wrong shit.

So if we look up bad in the dictionary, you might find Michael Jackson in 'those' days, but now you will find Dillenger, and Alvin Creepy Karpis, where they always were. there is no primacy according to their ordination. Only ordination.

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/20/2014 12:18:19 PM

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So, if you continue arguing that dogshit, you have convicted god from your own mouth, with the statement, in that day you shall surely die.

Father lies all the time to his children (Sun Myung Moon)

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/20/2014 12:23:24 PM

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There is no mention of torture, that is you again "ignore/bend/invent everything else to fit" what you want it to say.

When I said sadisticly torture I was referring to how Yahweh instead of just punishing the "guilty" brags to Jeroboam to go look and see that Yahweh is destroying/burning up the guy's family right now.

I'm pretty sure I'd made that clear in a previous post.

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles We are talking about the death of a child and not about a child that was killed

WTF I thought you believed the Bible...Yahweh flat out says he's destroying the goog child. Are you calling Yahweh a liar?

It was somewhat interesting discussing this "subject" with you as kind of a side point but now it is time to show who the actual twister of the facts is.

If one had read the account, which obviously you haven't, they would know that the child in question had fallen ill and was on his death bed before this pronouncement was made. So the child, who died of his illness, was not "murdered" by God no matter how you define it. No where in the account does it mention, indicate or imply that what was said in the pronouncement was to torture or to be torturous to Jeroboam. The pronouncement was to tell Jeroboam that, because of his wickedness and the wickedness of his family, the kingdom would be removed from him and family and that the only one of his whole family worth burying was his one good son that would die from his illness. (1 Kings 14:1-18)

So up till now, all that you have said seems to have been based on the fact that you have not read the account and had no idea of what it actually said and have ignored/bent/invented everything to try to maintain your premise that God is a unjust torturous murdering villain. ;-)

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/20/2014 12:27:30 PM

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Well, iffy but if we give you that one, then we have the trouble of the death of davids son.

Seems like the wrong feller pinched there, hah?

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/20/2014 12:35:09 PM

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Strange, I didn't read there that "Yahweh" murdered that child.

Read the passage more carefully. The Lord said: I will bring disaster on your dynasty and will destroy every one of your male descendants, slave and free alike, In the next section the child is referred to as HIM Seems pretty clear.

Just like I just told the other guy, it is you that needs to read more carefully. Try reading the account beginning to end and not just piecemeal. (1 Kings 14:1-18)

After you actually read the account, you will notice that the "good child" was ill and on its death bed when Jeroboam's wife was told that the child would die and that was before this pronouncement was ever made.

So this nonsense that "Yahweh" murdered that child is just that, nonsense. ;-)

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/20/2014 12:37:44 PM

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Now go and smite Amalek(ites), and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

Its in Sammie.

Yep, all those utterly "innocent" Amalekites.

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/20/2014 12:39:12 PM

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2:34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain:

Deutie.

Yeah, all those utterly "innocent" people.

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/20/2014 12:40:44 PM

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Ja, either god is a liar or you are:

10 “‘Because of this, I am going to bring disasterM)'> on the house of Jeroboam. I will cut off from Jeroboam every last male in Israel—slave or free.a]'>[a]N)'> I will burn up the house of Jeroboam as one burns dung, until it is all gone.O)'> 11 DogsP)'> will eat those belonging to Jeroboam who die in the city, and the birdsQ)'> will feed on those who die in the country. The Lord has spoken!’
12 “As for you, go back home. When you set foot in your city, the boy will die. 13 All Israel will mourn for him and bury him. He is the only one belonging to Jeroboam who will be buried, because he is the only one in the house of Jeroboam in whom the Lord, the God of Israel, has found anything good.

Has the lord spoken, or is he a liar, did he cause the child to die and give his prophet the instructions and foreknowledge of the time of death, or was he just fucking around?

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/20/2014 12:44:13 PM

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2:34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain:

Deutie.

Yeah, all those utterly "innocent" people.

Since no one is utterly innocent, lets talk about whether god is a killing prick, or whether he is a loving father? I guess a suckling is not innocent in that it shits its diaper. A sheep or an ox, now your god judges their souls as innocent or guilty? They have souls? They have been afforded the promise of Jesus? Some reason we were not informed of this? We thought this was a human to god thing, and did not include the lillies of the valley.

Here, lets consider Elijah the supposed prophet of this fuckwad god.

What? You cannot call out god, because his hand is foreshortened? Thats Elijah, and supposedly many died in testimony to the fact you don't taunt god.

Well good, bring the son of a bitch to me, lets see how I fare.

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/20/2014 12:46:02 PM

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I did cite it, and I am not the troll, I am just pointing out that you are saying some of the stupidest shit here that has ever been uttered in the world.

That's all. BTW, check your OED, it is in there.

I caught your rant about prefixes and suffixes but some how missed your citing the dictionary where you found your made up word, mind citing it again?

"You are saying some of the stupidest shit here that has ever been uttered in the world", sure sounds like trolling to me. ;-)

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/20/2014 12:49:02 PM

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Nope, we are adjured not to throw pearls before swine lest they turn and trample us under foot.

You don't get the simple shit, no reason to move you to the advanced class.

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/20/2014 12:52:47 PM

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So with all these humans turned away from god, how come he aint frying them up like the six million?
In the desert, in Egypt, in Zionism, Adam and Eve, Noah, Peter, he didnt see all this back turning coming? What kind of ignoramus is this god fairytale anyway?

Because with the Christ, God gave mankind a choice and since then the "ignoramus, irritable and vengeful old Dude" has been giving mankind the time to make up their minds what side they want to be on and in the meantime God is letting mankind try and "fix" the earth the best they can. ;-)

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/20/2014 12:56:07 PM

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When you look up a word in a dictionary, the first or #1 definition is the primary or most often used definition of the word in question. Which is what I said. I did not say that the other definitions were wrong or could not be used, just that they are not what is considered by that dictionary to be the primary definition or the way the word is used most often.

No, absolutely not, the one marked number one is the first one listed, they are listed in no ordinal sequence regarding primacy of meaning. They may be, in order of common usage, for that time, place and dictionary, but that does not lend the word to having a primacy of meaning in terms of ordination. A demonstration.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/be?s=t

do you understand how that can be?

Nothing you have said could be more wrong, and you have said some ignorantly wrong shit.

So if we look up bad in the dictionary, you might find Michael Jackson in 'those' days, but now you will find Dillenger, and Alvin Creepy Karpis, where they always were. there is no primacy according to their ordination. Only ordination.

Try reading what has been said sometime; oh, that's you don't have to, you already know everything don't you? ;-)

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/20/2014 12:56:08 PM

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Oh, I see and how by destroying people including the world and starting over did this fuckin idiot magic sky wizard give them a chance to make up their mind, say; the son of David, and the infant sons of Amalek?

But that would be stupidity, because the 6 million jews were killed after jesus time, and they were given no choice.

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/20/2014 12:58:05 PM

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So, if you continue arguing that dogshit, you have convicted god from your own mouth, with the statement, in that day you shall surely die.

Father lies all the time to his children (Sun Myung Moon)

This is becoming little more than trolling. ;-)

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/20/2014 12:59:50 PM

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Well, iffy but if we give you that one, then we have the trouble of the death of davids son.

Seems like the wrong feller pinched there, hah?

Resurrection.

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/20/2014 1:01:22 PM

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Ja, either god is a liar or you are:

10 “‘Because of this, I am going to bring disasterM)'> on the house of Jeroboam. I will cut off from Jeroboam every last male in Israel—slave or free.a]'>[a]N)'> I will burn up the house of Jeroboam as one burns dung, until it is all gone.O)'> 11 DogsP)'> will eat those belonging to Jeroboam who die in the city, and the birdsQ)'> will feed on those who die in the country. The Lord has spoken!’
12 “As for you, go back home. When you set foot in your city, the boy will die. 13 All Israel will mourn for him and bury him. He is the only one belonging to Jeroboam who will be buried, because he is the only one in the house of Jeroboam in whom the Lord, the God of Israel, has found anything good.

Has the lord spoken, or is he a liar, did he cause the child to die and give his prophet the instructions and foreknowledge of the time of death, or was he just fucking around?

Try reading the whole account.

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/20/2014 1:04:22 PM

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2:34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain:

Deutie.

Yeah, all those utterly "innocent" people.

Since no one is utterly innocent, lets talk about whether god is a killing prick, or whether he is a loving father? I guess a suckling is not innocent in that it shits its diaper. A sheep or an ox, now your god judges their souls as innocent or guilty? They have souls? They have been afforded the promise of Jesus? Some reason we were not informed of this? We thought this was a human to god thing, and did not include the lillies of the valley.

Here, lets consider Elijah the supposed prophet of this fuckwad god.

What? You cannot call out god, because his hand is foreshortened? Thats Elijah, and supposedly many died in testimony to the fact you don't taunt god.

Well good, bring the son of a bitch to me, lets see how I fare.

Okay, let's see how you fare.

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RE: is religion a tool created to control knowledge - 1/20/2014 1:05:41 PM

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Nope, we are adjured not to throw pearls before swine lest they turn and trample us under foot.

You don't get the simple shit, no reason to move you to the advanced class.

Like I said; couldn't find it could you? ;-)

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