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RE: Kinky Porn co fined for condom policy - 2/18/2014 11:03:14 AM

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They aren't exactly paid minimum wage. I think its sad that there are people stupid and desperate enough to risk serious disease for a few extra bucks.

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RE: Kinky Porn co fined for condom policy - 2/18/2014 7:18:07 PM

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^ True the aren't being paid minimum wage but porn stars of today make significantly less than porn stars of maybe 90s.

It's not a few extra bucks. It's more like they consider someone for a scene and if the person isn't interested in doing a scene unprotected they may go with another performer. Trust it's not someone loosing $2 but could be $20K or maybe the miss out on an opportunity to for more exposure.

I feel it's not easy on either end. Being given the choice.

Still the next option may be for porn to move states. CA is going to take an incredible hit $$$ if they do.

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RE: Kinky Porn co fined for condom policy - 2/19/2014 5:55:52 AM

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They have really cracked down on it anyway in LA, there used to be a lot of porn filmed in Chatsworth, but then they brought in all sorts of zoning regulations.

Also the porn stars most people think about, they don't exist like that anymore, most of the actresses are actually girls trying to make money to get through college, they're not trying to make a big buck and get famous, they're trying to pay school fees, it's not quite the money it used to be anymore and I don't think it's a pleasant job, certainly not one I could do, no matter for which amount of money. Because it's not "minimum wage" shouldn't be the deciding factor if their health is worth something.

I would think the only way to handle it is make condoms an "industry standard", there might be porn produced in other countries without condoms, but most people are lazy and prefer security especially when they purchase, and I think most would rather see porn with a condom if it means they don't have to worry what will happen with their CC info in Mexico or Brazil. You can do all the porn without a condom in other countries, if you can't buy it via an American website, the majority of viewers will accept that porn is with a condom.

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RE: Kinky Porn co fined for condom policy - 2/19/2014 6:06:56 PM

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I agree. The minimu wage comment was regarding the fact that they are still paid decent money.

How much is your life worth? Twenty K? Five? Ten, a hundred grand? Its an industry where women are historically paid more, but how much does refusing to perform without condems actually cost the performers?

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RE: Kinky Porn co fined for condom policy - 2/20/2014 1:38:03 AM

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I think for the kind of job they're doing, the money isn't that great, add to it the fear factor of family and friends finding out, there is a reason why most of them use a stage name. Taking a massive pay cut would mean they have to do a lot more movies. Apart from the few girls who get into it and see it as a career, I think most of the women do it to get out of debt, pay for their studies and of course people who need money for drugs, not because they believe they will get rich and famous. So they'd be forced to be much longer in an environment that's quite toxic.

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RE: Kinky Porn co fined for condom policy - 2/20/2014 8:17:03 AM

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Yea, well I make it a habit not to be working at something I would be too ashamed to tell my family and friends.

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RE: Kinky Porn co fined for condom policy - 2/20/2014 8:28:33 AM

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You're possibly also not 18, have a great deal more life experience and think things over.

I'm not a great porn fan, but I'm under the impression that it's an industry that relies on very young girls, with hot bodies, in need of money, uses them up and then spits them out...

Never done porn but I did a few not so clever things myself as a teenager, so I do tend to cut them some slack. Again, their bodies, not really pleasant work, why judge them? Not like they're hurting anybody else, so I wouldn't want to see them in harms way. Now a rapist, notorious bully or stalker, you'd need to hand me an onion so I could shed a tear for one of those...

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RE: Kinky Porn co fined for condom policy - 2/20/2014 12:40:08 PM

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most people are lazy and prefer security especially when they purchase, and I think most would rather see porn with a condom if it means they don't have to worry what will happen with their CC info in Mexico or Brazil.

lets see.. apparently 110 million (about 1/3 of the US population) people's cc info was hacked at Target (not to mention hackings at other US stores).. so I think its a false sense of security to think buying American is gonna keep that info safer.. the US has the most easily counterfeited cards in the world.. The US is still stuck in the credit card dark ages..

"If you've traveled overseas recently, you may have had a moment when your magnetic stripe credit card didn't work. In places where most credit cards are identified by microchip -- Europe, Asia, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, to name a few -- relying on standard American magnetic-stripe cards can be inconvenient. It can also make you more vulnerable to fraud.
Instead of swiping a chip card, you insert it into a payment terminal. Identifying information is encrypted on an embedded microchip, which is more difficult to counterfeit than a magnetic stripe.
More than 80 countries around the world use chip technology. Yet less than 1 percent of credit cards issued in the U.S. have chips.
Increasingly, card counterfeiting is finding its way to the U.S., especially now that both Mexico and Canada have adopted EMV. Fraudsters look for the low-hanging fruit and with tougher standards elsewhere, they're concentrating their efforts in the States."
http://www.creditcards.com/credit-card-news/us-slowly-rolls-out-emv_chip-technology-1276.php

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RE: Kinky Porn co fined for condom policy - 2/20/2014 12:55:28 PM

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That's all fine and good, but I don't think the average US citizen travels much outside of the US or trusts anything else but US safety...

Actually whenever I'm in the US, I'm having major problems with my European cards, because they are chip and stripe, yet in the US all they ask me for is a signature and not the pin... I wondered about it and was told that obviously they European system must be behind the times and everybody knows they are on the forefront of technology...

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RE: Kinky Porn co fined for condom policy - 2/20/2014 1:15:02 PM

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First, I felt that way at 18 as well. I have no problem with porn or those who choose that career path. Just not for me. But I believe if you choose that, then you shouldn't be ashamed of it.

You talk about being asked for a PIN. Our credit cards don't use them for purchases, only for cash advances. A debit card, however, does have a PIN and is connected to the bank account. Debit cards can be used like credit cards where no PIN is required, only signature. Many banks now put photos of the cardholder on the card as well.

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RE: Kinky Porn co fined for condom policy - 2/21/2014 12:41:44 AM

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As I said before, porn never crossed my mind, I'm a bit too much of a prude for that, but if somebody decides to do porn when they are young, there is no reason that that should follow them around all their lives, they might not be ashamed of it, but maybe they simply don't want to be judged by others? It's not like they were criminals and it was their bodies, maybe if society would be less judgemental about personal choices...

I just noticed the CC security in the US is horrendous, with debit cards you do need a number, but I tend to not use debit cards for the simple reason that if there is a trap and the debit card gets stolen, the money is gone, with a CC you have insurance and a damage limitation. However a friend often sent me to do his shopping as he wasn't mobile, I think I was asked twice for ID, in about 18 months worth of shopping... There was clearly a male name on it... However when I bought myself the occasional bottle of wine, they wanted ID. The damage that is done by CC fraud is pretty horrendous, it would be so much easier to have a PIN included. If it's swipe and sign, it's the responsibility of the shop in Europe, that's why most shops refuse them without ID, too easy for fraud.

A few years ago I got a call from my bank, they wanted to know if I was in Miami and bought a tractor, told them obviously not since I answered the home number, seems that one of the shops I went to here had a breach of security and they didn't attempt CC fraud in Europe but in the US, as that way they didn't need the chip and the PIN. It was pretty straight forward, since I can't be at 2 places at the same time and still had my card in my purse, fraud, the money was refunded and I got a new card.

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RE: Kinky Porn co fined for condom policy - 2/21/2014 9:36:05 AM

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It falls on the shop here as well. I don't have any credit cards, so I don't worry about it.

A tractor? Like a full size one for farming or a little one for mowing lawns? I know it isn't funny, but it is an odd purchase for CC fraud.

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RE: Kinky Porn co fined for condom policy - 2/21/2014 10:06:51 AM

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A tractor, I was a bit shocked and didn't think to ask what kind of tractor, but apparently one that was worth close to 6K, not knowing what tractors usually cost, I can't tell you...

Apparently before that they went to McD and ordered a meal, which seems to be the normal way of checking if the card works, if it doesn't work they just hand over the $6 in cash and they know the card doesn't work, if it works, they hotfoot it into a place where they are buying something they can easily sell again, guess the tractor ended up on Craig's list or eBay shortly after. When last year my wallet was stolen, my bank picked it up automatically as somebody bought a packet of chewing gum with the CC.
Basically I told them that any transaction that's under $20 I always pay in cash and to cancel the card if they see a small sum, since they are fairly automated, it took them about 10 minutes to cancel the CC.

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RE: Kinky Porn co fined for condom policy - 2/21/2014 10:16:00 AM

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But isn't that all the more reason they should be using condoms?

My objection is not against condoms as I have stated before. My objection in this particular case is OSHA stepping in where it has no business and no knowledge. Clearly had OSHA been truly interested in workplace safety, they should have taken action over 30 years ago from STD's, pregnancy, blood borne pathogens, and other infectious diseases. This particular case was driven by politics and not the desire to truly protect people.

It should also be noted that both the CDC and FDA claim condoms are not 100% effect in stopping the transmission of STDs. While condoms due reduce the percentage of infection, its still not 100% effective.

If you really want to get at the heart of the matter of protecting people you need to look at more than just condoms. You need to look at everything that puts the person at risk. This includes workplace sanitization, toy sanitization (autoclaving), regular employee testing just to name a few. Claiming condoms is going to solve the issue just means you do not understand the problem.

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RE: Kinky Porn co fined for condom policy - 2/23/2014 7:37:20 AM

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That's all fine and good, but I don't think the average US citizen travels much outside of the US or trusts anything else but US safety...

Actually whenever I'm in the US, I'm having major problems with my European cards, because they are chip and stripe, yet in the US all they ask me for is a signature and not the pin... I wondered about it and was told that obviously they European system must be behind the times and everybody knows they are on the forefront of technology...

well.. I guess the joke is on those that believe that.. the whole chip thing has been reported on before but the US system deciders/cc corps seemed to feel the losses are preferable to changing over asap to a more secure system.. Here in the US a persons SSN is basically public info, so many times you are asked for it.. privacy? what privacy? its no wonder ID theft is so rampant and easy to commit here.. why bother with countries that make it harder to do these things when the US leaves the door wide open and the welcome mat out?

and yes, I wondered how your card was treated here..

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RE: Kinky Porn co fined for condom policy - 2/23/2014 8:08:48 AM

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European cards are less of an issue in the US than the other way round. For example if you're having the swipe and sign card, a lot of shops don't accept it because in case of fraud, the shop is liable, they will have to show their insurance that they (or the person in their employment accepting the card) has shown all due dilligence, if not they have to cover their own losses, even if the insurance company decides nothing they could have done to avoid it (checked ID and it matched but both was stolen), their insurance premiums would rise, so most shops simply don't accept them to cover their own backsides, which in turn got the card holders to push for chip and pin cards with their banks or CC providers, since they didn't want to lose customers (what good is a card if nobody accepts it, right?), it happened.

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RE: Kinky Porn co fined for condom policy - 2/23/2014 8:22:01 AM

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European cards are less of an issue in the US than the other way round. For example if you're having the swipe and sign card, a lot of shops don't accept it because in case of fraud, the shop is liable, they will have to show their insurance that they (or the person in their employment accepting the card) has shown all due dilligence, if not they have to cover their own losses, even if the insurance company decides nothing they could have done to avoid it (checked ID and it matched but both was stolen), their insurance premiums would rise, so most shops simply don't accept them to cover their own backsides, which in turn got the card holders to push for chip and pin cards with their banks or CC providers, since they didn't want to lose customers (what good is a card if nobody accepts it, right?), it happened.

doesn't ID there have your photo on it? if it does then how can stolen ID match the person presenting it (unless the thief was their twin)? pins seem to work well on debit cards (unless you go someplace where its been cloned) so to me having a pin on a cc makes sense.. and since debit cards use pins now, I don't understand the US cc corps excuse of it being so hard to switch to pins..

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RE: Kinky Porn co fined for condom policy - 2/23/2014 8:36:02 AM

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In the UK not everybody has a passport, so a utility bill is often sufficient, as for photos, seriously, if I start looking like my passport picture, I will consider cosmetic surgery.

I think clients in the UK are much less active or like to be bothered, here you don't like something, you tell the company and you switch providers, again, if the shops wouldn't accept the swipe cards, I am sure the CC companies and banks would have switched ages ago

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RE: Kinky Porn co fined for condom policy - 2/23/2014 9:46:29 AM

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In the UK not everybody has a passport, so a utility bill is often sufficient, as for photos, seriously, if I start looking like my passport picture, I will consider cosmetic surgery.

I think clients in the UK are much less active or like to be bothered, here you don't like something, you tell the company and you switch providers, again, if the shops wouldn't accept the swipe cards, I am sure the CC companies and banks would have switched ages ago

don't your drivers licenses have photos? I don't walk around with my passport, its too valuable and hard to carry anyway.. lots of people don't have utility bills in their name (I don't, anything I do is thru a company name).. I do agree that pics in passports or DL look horrible tho..

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RE: Kinky Porn co fined for condom policy - 2/23/2014 10:04:59 AM

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In the UK and Germany, many people do not drive. Public transportation is much better. So many people do not even own a driver's license. The German plant I travel to on a regular basis, only 25% of the employees drive to work. Train is the biggest mode of transportation and bus the 2nd biggest. Bicycles being the 3rd and cars the smallest.

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