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RE: Liberal delusions on racism - 5/4/2014 1:27:47 AM

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Johnathan Chait is occassionally interesting and his introspection on liberals fascination with rascism was a worth a read.

It also prompted a pretty good conservative response here: http://thefederalist.com/2014/05/02/why-liberals-think-conservatives-are-racist/. First few paragraphs are slow..

What a waste of paper Ms Lu's appalling mix of false generalisations and straw man arguments is. One really expects better of a philosophy teacher, who should (in theory) be trained in logic and rhetoric, both among the numerous qualities conspicuous by their absence from Ms Lu's paper.

Lu's argument relies on a single claim - that racism is "settled history". that it is a spent force and no longer relevant to today's world. In Lu's words:
"Conservatives tend to miss this because we see the Civil Rights story as settled history. We’re all pleased to have sloughed off the bigotry of our ancestors.
http://thefederalist.com/2014/05/02/why-liberals-think-conservatives-are-racist/ (emphasis added)

So if you agree with this claim, please read Lu further and consider her argument on its merits (such as they are). However, if you are of the view that racism is still alive and kicking, that it is still a force to be reckoned with and influential in today's world, then you are obliged to reject Lu's views in their entirety.

If there is any one out there stupid enough to believe that racism is a completely spent force, that it is no longer relevant or influential in today's world, I have a world famous Harbour Bridge here in Sydney that I can let you have for a song. I'll even throw in an award winning Opera House to sweeten the deal for you.

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RE: Liberal delusions on racism - 5/4/2014 1:29:24 AM

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Johnathan Chait is occassionally interesting and his introspection on liberals fascination with rascism was a worth a read.

It also prompted a pretty good conservative response here: http://thefederalist.com/2014/05/02/why-liberals-think-conservatives-are-racist/. First few paragraphs are slow..

What a waste of paper Ms Lu's appalling mix of false generalisations and straw man arguments is. One really expects better of a philosophy teacher, who should (in theory) be trained in logic and rhetoric, both among the numerous qualities conspicuous by their absence from Ms Lu's paper.

Lu's argument relies on a single claim - that racism is "settled history". that it is a spent force and no longer relevant to today's world. In Lu's words:
"Conservatives tend to miss this because we see the Civil Rights story as settled history. We’re all pleased to have sloughed off the bigotry of our ancestors.
http://thefederalist.com/2014/05/02/why-liberals-think-conservatives-are-racist/ (emphasis added)

So if you agree with this claim, please read Lu further and consider her argument on its merits (such as they are). However, if you are of the view that racism is still alive and kicking, that it is still a force to be reckoned with and influential in today's world, then you are obliged to reject Lu's views in their entirety.

If there is any one out there stupid enough to believe that racism is a completely spent force, that it is no longer relevant or influential in today's world, I have a world famous Harbour Bridge here in Sydney that I can let you have for a song. I'll even throw in an award winning Opera House to sweeten the deal for you.

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RE: Liberal delusions on racism - 5/4/2014 1:32:54 AM

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Johnathan Chait is occassionally interesting and his introspection on liberals fascination with rascism was a worth a read.

It also prompted a pretty good conservative response here: http://thefederalist.com/2014/05/02/why-liberals-think-conservatives-are-racist/. First few paragraphs are slow..

What a waste of paper Ms Lu's appalling mix of false generalisations and straw man arguments is. One really expects better of a philosophy teacher, who should (in theory) be trained in logic and rhetoric, both among the numerous qualities conspicuous by their absence from Ms Lu's paper.

Lu's argument relies on a single claim - that racism is "settled history". that it is a spent force and no longer relevant to today's world. In Lu's words:
"Conservatives tend to miss this because we see the Civil Rights story as settled history. We’re all pleased to have sloughed off the bigotry of our ancestors.
http://thefederalist.com/2014/05/02/why-liberals-think-conservatives-are-racist/ (emphasis added)

So if you agree with this claim, please read Lu further and consider her argument on its merits (such as they are). However, if you are of the view that racism is still alive and kicking, that it is still a force to be reckoned with and influential in today's world, then you are obliged to reject Lu's views in their entirety.

If there is any one out there deluded enough to believe that racism is a completely spent force, that it is no longer relevant or influential in today's world, I have a world famous Harbour Bridge here in Sydney that I can let you have for a song. I'll even throw in an award winning Opera House to sweeten the deal for you.

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RE: Liberal delusions on racism - 5/4/2014 1:34:02 AM

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ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Johnathan Chait is occassionally interesting and his introspection on liberals fascination with rascism was a worth a read.

It also prompted a pretty good conservative response here: http://thefederalist.com/2014/05/02/why-liberals-think-conservatives-are-racist/. First few paragraphs are slow..

What a waste of paper Ms Lu's appalling mix of false generalisations and straw man arguments is. One really expects better of a philosophy teacher, who should (in theory) be trained in logic and rhetoric, both among the numerous qualities conspicuous by their absence from Ms Lu's paper.

Lu's argument relies on a single claim - that racism is "settled history". that it is a spent force and no longer relevant to today's world. In Lu's words:
"Conservatives tend to miss this because we see the Civil Rights story as settled history. We’re all pleased to have sloughed off the bigotry of our ancestors.
http://thefederalist.com/2014/05/02/why-liberals-think-conservatives-are-racist/ (emphasis added)

So if you agree with this claim, please read Lu further and consider her argument on its merits (such as they are). However, if you are of the view that racism is still alive and kicking, that it is still a force to be reckoned with and influential in today's world, then you are obliged to reject Lu's views in their entirety.

If there is any one out there deluded enough to believe that racism is a completely spent force, that it is no longer relevant or influential in today's world, I have a world famous Harbour Bridge here in Sydney that I can let you have for a song. I'll even throw in an award winning Opera House to sweeten the deal for you.

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RE: Liberal delusions on racism - 5/4/2014 2:16:31 AM

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What a waste of space Tweak. Take your time checkin if your post is posted.

By all means it is a good way to derail a thread.

Racism has many forms and it is certainly not a privilige of conservatives. Although their numbers might be a little higher, the argument she is makin is valid. And worthwile investigating. Just shooting down research based on your personal view of her paper, is not searching for the truth, but more a selfserving mechanism to your own bias.
Wich is in my view racist as well, though you belong to the so called liberal faction.

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RE: Liberal delusions on racism - 5/4/2014 2:24:02 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Johnathan Chait is occassionally interesting and his introspection on liberals fascination with rascism was a worth a read.

It also prompted a pretty good conservative response here: http://thefederalist.com/2014/05/02/why-liberals-think-conservatives-are-racist/. First few paragraphs are slow..

What a waste of paper Ms Lu's appalling mix of false generalisations and straw man arguments is. One really expects better of a philosophy teacher, who should (in theory) be trained in logic and rhetoric, both among the numerous qualities conspicuous by their absence from Ms Lu's paper.

Lu's argument relies on a single claim - that racism is "settled history". that it is a spent force and no longer relevant to today's world. In Lu's words:
"Conservatives tend to miss this because we see the Civil Rights story as settled history. We’re all pleased to have sloughed off the bigotry of our ancestors.
http://thefederalist.com/2014/05/02/why-liberals-think-conservatives-are-racist/ (emphasis added)

So if you agree with this claim, please read Lu further and consider her argument on its merits (such as they are). However, if you are of the view that racism is still alive and kicking, that it is still a force to be reckoned with and influential in today's world, then you are obliged to reject Lu's views in their entirety.

If there is any one out there deluded enough to believe that racism is a completely spent force, that it is no longer relevant or influential in today's world, I have a world famous Harbour Bridge here in Sydney that I can let you have for a song. I'll even throw in an award winning Opera House to sweeten the deal for you.

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RE: Liberal delusions on racism - 5/4/2014 2:29:39 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Johnathan Chait is occassionally interesting and his introspection on liberals fascination with rascism was a worth a read.

It also prompted a pretty good conservative response here: http://thefederalist.com/2014/05/02/why-liberals-think-conservatives-are-racist/. First few paragraphs are slow..

What a waste of paper Ms Lu's appalling mix of false generalisations and straw man arguments is. One really expects better of a philosophy teacher, who should (in theory) be trained in logic and rhetoric, both among the numerous qualities conspicuous by their absence from Ms Lu's paper.

Lu's argument relies on a single claim - that racism is "settled history" ie. that it is a spent force and no longer relevant to today's world. In Lu's words:
"Conservatives tend to miss this because we see the Civil Rights story as settled history. We’re all pleased to have sloughed off the bigotry of our ancestors.
http://thefederalist.com/2014/05/02/why-liberals-think-conservatives-are-racist/ (emphasis added)

So if you agree with this claim, please read Lu further and consider her argument on its merits (such as they are). However, if you are of the view that racism is still alive and kicking, that it is still a force to be reckoned with and influential in today's world, then you are obliged to reject Lu's views in their entirety.

If there is any one out there deluded enough to believe that racism is a completely spent force, that it is no longer relevant or influential in today's world, I have a world famous Harbour Bridge here in Sydney that I can let you have for a song. I'll even throw in an award winning Opera House to sweeten the deal for you.

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RE: Liberal delusions on racism - 5/4/2014 2:31:26 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Phydeaux

Johnathan Chait is occassionally interesting and his introspection on liberals fascination with rascism was a worth a read.

It also prompted a pretty good conservative response here: http://thefederalist.com/2014/05/02/why-liberals-think-conservatives-are-racist/. First few paragraphs are slow..

What a waste of paper Ms Lu's appalling mix of false generalisations and straw man arguments is. One really expects better of a philosophy teacher, who should (in theory) be trained in logic and rhetoric, both among the numerous intellectual qualities conspicuous by their absence from Ms Lu's paper.

Lu's argument relies on a single claim - that racism is "settled history". that it is a spent force and no longer relevant to today's world. In Lu's words:
"[...] we see the Civil Rights story as settled history. We’re all pleased to have sloughed off the bigotry of our ancestors.
http://thefederalist.com/2014/05/02/why-liberals-think-conservatives-are-racist/ (emphasis added)

So if you agree with this claim, please read Lu further and consider her argument on its merits (such as they are). However, if you are of the view that racism is still alive and kicking, that it is still a force to be reckoned with and influential in today's world, then you are obliged to reject Lu's views in their entirety.

If there is any one out there deluded enough to believe that racism is a completely spent force, that it is no longer relevant or influential in today's world, I have a world famous Harbour Bridge here in Sydney that I can let you have for a song. I'll even throw in an award winning Opera House to sweeten the deal for you.

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RE: Liberal delusions on racism - 5/4/2014 2:32:40 AM

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double post

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RE: Liberal delusions on racism - 5/4/2014 2:40:17 AM

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DOUBLE?? I counted SEVEN TIMES

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RE: Liberal delusions on racism - 5/4/2014 2:43:47 AM

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It wasn't showing up as posted on my puter. I kept on getting a message saying there were technical problems and redirecting me back to this page. My post wasn't coming up at all.
Sorry about that folks.

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RE: Liberal delusions on racism - 5/4/2014 3:04:15 AM

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double post on purpose to align the thread again, you dwarfed my post as well.

Racism has many forms and it is certainly not a privilige of conservatives. Although their numbers might be a little higher, the argument she is makin is valid. And worthwile investigating. Just shooting down research based on your personal view of her paper, is not searching for the truth, but more a selfserving mechanism to your own bias.
Wich is in my view racist as well, though you belong to the so called liberal faction.

BTW you posted the same post 10 times...

Maybe your computer or internetconnection is haywired I got no probs posting.

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RE: Liberal delusions on racism - 5/4/2014 3:04:41 AM

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Nothing was showing up as posted on my puter. Instead I kept on getting this message:
"Collarchat.com has encountered an error on the page you were looking at.
We're sorry for any inconvenience or loss of work this may have caused you."

I'm still getting this message. The technical difficulties are not at my end of things. Hopefully the mods will edit the superfluous posts out.

My apologies to any one inconveniences or bored by the multiple posts.

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RE: Liberal delusions on racism - 5/4/2014 4:14:59 AM

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Not at all...it is just the description of a state of mine... Anyone can call themselves anything... but that does not make it true. To be something you must abide by the description.
Hey... I'm not a liberal...but neither am I a racist. But I could be since I am not a liberal.
I'm not calling you a racist or anyone else I am just saying to be a true liberal you cannot be racist.
Butch

The questions arise because the way you're using the word "liberal" is better defined as "classical liberal" as opposed to the way it's used and meant now. Today's "liberals" are more likely to be diametrically opposed to classical liberals in most things.

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RE: Liberal delusions on racism - 5/4/2014 4:18:12 AM

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double post on purpose to align the thread again, you dwarfed my post as well.

Racism has many forms and it is certainly not a privilige of conservatives. Although their numbers might be a little higher, the argument she is makin is valid. And worthwile investigating. Just shooting down research based on your personal view of her paper, is not searching for the truth, but more a selfserving mechanism to your own bias.
Wich is in my view racist as well, though you belong to the so called liberal faction.

BTW you posted the same post 10 times...

Maybe your computer or internetconnection is haywired I got no probs posting.

If you choose to take such intellectual garbage seriously that's your choice.

BTW, Lu's paper is not "research" it's an attempt at analysis and a polemic.

My rejection is not based on "my personal bias" but because the paper's premise is clearly invalid. For the premise to be valid, one has to agree that racism is "settled history", which quite clearly it isn't.

Many of your own posts are openly and unapologetically racist, and therefore compelling evidence that racism is far from "settled history" but still influencing and motivating some people today. So if you don't mind my saying so you are not in any position to agree with the premise that racism is "settled history". If it was you wouldn't be making the racist posts you make.

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RE: Liberal delusions on racism - 5/4/2014 4:50:29 AM

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Again you can call my posts bigoted but clearly not racist. I am a longstanding enemy of the dogma of abrahamic religion. And since I'm well versed enough in jewish and christian dogma, I am now concentrating on islamic contradictions.

Besides that being critical on culture concerning different peoples is honest criticism. You must look into your own heart and mind and see that you are specializing on anti israel comments and in that you target one race.

I can be just as critical about my own race, so that's pretty much settled isnt it?

A racist targets a specific race. I target pretty much everything, that's the difference between us.

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RE: Liberal delusions on racism - 5/4/2014 4:52:40 AM

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Lets be honest here.
We voted in a black president, so I would say prejudice has came a long way. Is it gone? Of course not. Its apparent to me prejudice is in both parties. Everyone wants their cake and eat it too. Everyone wants more, more, more and this isn't good enough. Issues are pushed that aren't even the biggest problems, because everyone wants their way and everyone has excuses in life. Yes, but, and well but, and its because ahhhhh.........
People love to concentrate on the negative, THEY LOVE IT! Pity.

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RE: Liberal delusions on racism - 5/4/2014 5:06:38 AM

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It wasn't showing up as posted on my puter. I kept on getting a message saying there were technical problems and redirecting me back to this page. My post wasn't coming up at all.
Sorry about that folks.

Dont be sorry Tweakable....... Some of our right wing posters needed to read it seven times before the fully got it.

Personally thinking, you should have posted it another seven times, just to make sure.

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RE: Liberal delusions on racism - 5/4/2014 5:09:57 AM

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Sure encourage thread highjacking

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RE: Liberal delusions on racism - 5/4/2014 5:21:58 AM

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If there is any one out there stupid enough to believe that racism is a completely spent force, that it is no longer relevant or influential in today's world, I have a world famous Harbour Bridge here in Sydney that I can let you have for a song. I'll even throw in an award winning Opera House to sweeten the deal for you.

Well, while the bridge is a rather nice one and the opera house is quite stunning, there remains the question of parking.

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