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Governor Pence, always the jokester, said this law doesn't allow for discrimination and doesn't have anything to do with any contemporary issues. Hilarious, right? But seriously, doesn't this law also apply to politically correct discrimination? For example, there's a nice Jewish deli in downtown Indianapolis. This law seems to provide legal protection if they refuse service to a neo-nazi. Does anyone here think neo-nazis have an inherent right to dine at Jewish delis? I sure don't. And if Jewish delis should have the right to refuse service, shouldn't other businesses have the same right?

The only way to avoid dilemmas of the type you have outlined is that business that are open to the public must serve all the public without fear or favour.

I hear lots of excuses about why these businesses shouldn't be forced to serve GLBTI people, but oddly I have never heard of one of these businesses refusing service to wife beaters rapists or pedophiles. I find it odd that such people are acceptable to our ever-so-sensitive Xian types but GLBTI people whose only crime is enjoy sex and love in non-het ways are seen as objectionable.

It would appear that the religious sensibilities being 'protected' here are extremely selective ones and that these people have taken upon themselves the right to judge others, a right that their religion says is the sole prerogative of their Lord. If it isn't religious beliefs, I wonder what is really being protected here? The only viable candidate is bigotry.

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Xians of a certain (lack of) flavour who feel aggrieved by LGBTs: yet another one for Kirata's 'Permanently Offended' thread!

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I think it needs to be pointed out that this is about a business owner's personal choices for their business.

But what about an employee's personal faith or judgments? Is the holy roller checkout lady's personal faith going to save her job if the company's policy is against such bigotry? I don't think so.

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I think it needs to be pointed out that this is about a business owner's personal choices for their business.

But what about an employee's personal faith or judgments? Is the holy roller checkout lady's personal faith going to save her job if the company's policy is against such bigotry? I don't think so.

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Sorry, missed the point in this brief description of the bill were it said they couldn't serve people because of sexual orientation. Making people do something is tyranny, allowing them to decide for themselves what they will do is not.

No, making people do something is not tyranny. Maybe you should look up the word and be more informed....

What this bill allows is religious discrimination of others on the basis of something biological. To use a metaphor, it would be like creating a law that allows white Christians to disallow service to blacks. Because being gay and being black, are two biological issues. Being an asshole Christian is not biological.

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That "reputation"is held by a select few though,right ?

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I think it needs to be pointed out that this is about a business owner's personal choices for their business.

But what about an employee's personal faith or judgments? Is the holy roller checkout lady's personal faith going to save her job if the company's policy is against such bigotry? I don't think so.

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Businesses have the right to refuse service to any person or group, for any reason not specifically mentioned in either the Federal Civil Rights Act or the Americans with Disabilities Act.
Until hearts and laws are changed, on a national level, the GLBT community can be freely discriminated against in most states. California is one of few exceptions.

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This is a fast reply.
A long time ago I was listening to a comedian do their act. They said something that is apropos... this is how I remember the quote:
There are a bunch of people who are against Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthday being a National holiday. You have to be one racist motherfucker not to want a day off of work.
As a business owner, you have to be some kind of stupid bigot not to take money from a paying customer.

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Businesses have the right to refuse service to any person or group, for any reason not specifically mentioned in either the Federal Civil Rights Act or the Americans with Disabilities Act.
Until hearts and laws are changed, on a national level, the GLBT community can be freely discriminated against in most states. California is one of few exceptions.

None of that changes what I wrote.

Look at how far things have progressed in the past couple decades. LGBT-ers are more accepted now than they used to be. To me, that means hearts are changing. No matter what those on the Left might say, race relations have come an awful long way, too. That took a lot of years, a lot of suffering, and a lot of sacrifice, but we've made a lot of progress. Sadly, it's not done, but we'll eventually get there. How many establishments do you think could openly discriminate against a race without feeling a lot of heat from people of all races? I'd even venture to say that those businesses would either close, or see the errors of their ways and stop discriminating. And, that wouldn't even require laws.

The LGBT community will continue to be more accepted. Unfortunately, it's not like flipping a switch.

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Businesses have the right to refuse service to any person or group, for any reason not specifically mentioned in either the Federal Civil Rights Act or the Americans with Disabilities Act.
Until hearts and laws are changed, on a national level, the GLBT community can be freely discriminated against in most states. California is one of few exceptions.

None of that changes what I wrote.
Look at how far things have progressed in the past couple decades. LGBT-ers are more accepted now than they used to be. To me, that means hearts are changing. No matter what those on the Left might say, race relations have come an awful long way, too. That took a lot of years, a lot of suffering, and a lot of sacrifice, but we've made a lot of progress. Sadly, it's not done, but we'll eventually get there. How many establishments do you think could openly discriminate against a race without feeling a lot of heat from people of all races? I'd even venture to say that those businesses would either close, or see the errors of their ways and stop discriminating. And, that wouldn't even require laws.
The LGBT community will continue to be more accepted. Unfortunately, it's not like flipping a switch.

Race needed a lot of legislation help though before hearts and minds sort of caught up.
No one in the Civil Rights movement was willing to sit back and wait for hearts and minds...they went through the courts t,the state houses and the Halls of Congress.

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I'm having trouble distinguishing between the religious 'right' to have the legal protections of a public business but be able to 'enforce' your 'beliefs' on those you choose to serve, vs the extremist Islamic desire to kill all apostates, heretics and infidels. You accept other people's right to have their own religion and non-invasive cultural practices or you don't.
Fundamentalists of all faiths can't seem to wait for their deity to judge others. Shouldn't hubris be the 11th commandment?
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