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The punishment's effect should be the first clue of the severity of the issue to the public.

Well, no. Actually, the first clue to the severity of the issue in the public's mind is the outrage that ensues when it becomes widely known and the subsequent frantic back-peddling by the school.

K.

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"Zero Tolerance" is all too often implemented as a totalitarian excuse for no thinking.

I would think that the intent of a policy would be "We shall tolerate no behaviors or use of implements that present a hazard to fellow students, staff, or school property."

But, what we get with "Zero Tolerance" is "We will implement draconian punishments for any infraction that by a remote stretch of the imagination could be grounds for making someone uncomfortable." Meanwhile, sanctioned bullying abounds; at least in high school.

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I suspected this was just a cut/paste job in which you didn't bother to CHECK THE FACTS before creating the post. Not only that, you, nor the author your cut/paste job originates from, took any effort or time to RESEARCH THE FACTS. Then challenge me to to explain things you failed to research.

I don't have to suspect, I know for a fact that there is no fucking way you could know this and yet here you are claiming it as a fact. Now someone please explain why I would take the time to read a post this size when I already know the poster is ok with lying. Anyone?

You didn't read it, because you don't want your viewpoints on the issue(s) challenged with evidence and fact. So you make up some mindless bullshit and say to yourself afterward "yeah yea, that's it, he's lying, that's right, that's the ticket." Now if I was lying in the research I performed, please, by all means....PROVE IT. I have the links on my computer that are also in the post. That I linked quotes from sources to be used in my argument (rather than just a cut/paste job), shows the information was researched.

I really don't care if you want to read it or not. But dont push your pettiness because your too afraid to find that CreativeDominant's challenge was heard and answered with fact and evidence. That light was shown on the failure of the blogger to give accurate and factual understanding of information. That blogger is pushing a political argument; that you cant determine that is your failing, not mine!

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I suspected this was just a cut/paste job in which you didn't bother to CHECK THE FACTS before creating the post. Not only that, you, nor the author your cut/paste job originates from, took any effort or time to RESEARCH THE FACTS. Then challenge me to to explain things you failed to research.

I don't have to suspect, I know for a fact that there is no fucking way you could know this and yet here you are claiming it as a fact. Now someone please explain why I would take the time to read a post this size when I already know the poster is ok with lying. Anyone?

You didn't read it, because you don't want your viewpoints on the issue(s) challenged with evidence and fact. So you make up some mindless bullshit and say to yourself afterward "yeah yea, that's it, he's lying, that's right, that's the ticket." Now if I was lying in the research I performed, please, by all means....PROVE IT. I have the links on my computer that are also in the post. That I linked quotes from sources to be used in my argument (rather than just a cut/paste job), shows the information was researched.

I really don't care if you want to read it or not. But dont push your pettiness because your too afraid to find that CreativeDominant's challenge was heard and answered with fact and evidence. That light was shown on the failure of the blogger to give accurate and factual understanding of information. That blogger is pushing a political argument; that you cant determine that is your failing, not mine!

Sorry little dude, don't get all het up. I was just curious to see if others felt the same way I did.

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I believe that many countries have passed zero tolerence laws. Seems to me that they rarely work well for everyone.

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A Colorado Springs first-grader was suspended from school after pointing his fingers at a classmate in the shape of a gun.

Six-year-old Elijah goes to Stratton Meadows Elementary School. On Monday, he pointed at a classmate in the shape of a gun and said, “You’re dead.”

According to his behavior report, an administrator spoke with him about what being dead means and about not confusing “make-believe” or things in games with reality. And he received a one-day suspension for threats against peers.

“I know they have zero tolerance, but more of a maybe no recess,” his dad, Austin Thurston said. “Going as far as a one-day suspension is a little extreme for a six-year-old in a first-grade class.”

A spokesperson for Harrison School District 2, which Stratton Meadows is a part of, couldn’t give specifics about the case, because it’s part of the student’s personal record. But she said school administrators feel they issued the appropriate disciplinary action.

Aren’t educators the ones running around saying that the Common Core testing standards are no good because all kids are different and all situations are unique? And yet these are the same people saying one-size-fits-all zero tolerance policies are good?
http://rightwingnews.com/democrats/zero-tolerance-nonsense-6-yr-old-suspended-for-using-his-finger-like-a-gun/

...The incident has made headlines on the same day that the state Board of Education in Maryland upheld a county’s board decision to suspend a student who was punished for biting a pop tart into a gun shape.

The boy’s parents have been fighting the case for two years now in an attempt to clear their son’s name. The case has prompted lawmakers nationwide to introduce legislation to prevent such ridiculous punishments being handed out to children in the future...

Eric Holder, the head of the Obama Justice Department, admitted in 1995 that the overarching agenda is to brainwash Americans into fearing guns.

Speaking at a Women’s National Democratic Club conference, Holder expressed that it was important to “really, really brainwash people into thinking about guns in a vastly different way.”

“What we need to do is change the way in which people think about guns, especially young people, and make it something that’s not cool, that it’s not acceptable, it’s not hip to carry a gun anymore, in the way in which we’ve changed our attitudes about cigarettes,” Holder outlined.
http://www.infowars.com/six-year-old-child-suspended-for-making-gun-shape-with-hand/

http://m.gazette.com/report-colorado-springs-boy-6-suspended-from-school-after-making-finger-into-gun/article/1547314

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6813864

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Indianiapolis, Indiania: Two teens were arrested today in the same park where the body of a homeless man was found last week. The death was ruled to be starvation. The arrested teens, whose names are being withheld, have been charged with feeding the homeless, which is now a Class C felony in Indiania. "The homeless don't have regular medical care and have no idea what they might be allergic to," a representative of Progressives for Food Justice told reporters. "This is exactly the kind of dangerous behavior we fought to have criminalized," she said. "You can't be too careful when innocent lives are at risk." The two teens are unlikely to serve any jail time. Youthful offenders typically receive a suspended sentence and court-mandated Social Justice Counseling to correct their tendency toward compassion and generosity.

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I read more of 'fear' and 'ignorance' than 'being informed on the issue'. It sounds like the child in question has some real issues that should be worked out with a good therapist. Its one thing to 'make believe' its quite another to make death threats to fellow classmates. Hence, we the child was given a 'chat' to see if he understood the difference between 'make believe' and reality. I'm guessing the kid either didn't understand or was pretty focus on the actual killing part. The punishment would fit the crime. Sends a message clearly to the parent to check things much closer.

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"A spokesperson for Harrison School District 2, which Stratton Meadows is a part of, couldn’t give specifics about the case, because it’s part of the student’s personal record."

Right there should clue most people in that there is MORE to the story than what's being given out. And its not a conspiracy they aren't giving the information out, its them obeying laws. An yes, some parents don't like to admit their kid is has issues and not the perfect angel they make him/her out to be. Now look at all those people that posted their viewpoints on the article. How many of them are fully informed to all the details between the school and the parent(s)? None. But they are behaving like they would have such knowledge.

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Ive no idea what the kid's problem(s) are exactly. But I have no doubt that either the parents or the school (or both) will have a therapist work with the child over the next two years or so, to figure out what is at issue. It could be the parent's are fighting, and this is translated to the child. Or the kid is being bullied. Or not getting enough attention. Or something else.

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But bring in 'Common Core' that has nothing to do with the issue. Just a cheap political ploy. The writers of that know their general audience is too stupid to say "What does this have to do with that?". Common Core has its share of problems, but I would be surprise if its the source directly or indirectly to this kid's problem(s).

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I read more of 'fear' and 'ignorance' than 'being informed on the issue'. It sounds like the child in question has some real issues that should be worked out with a good therapist. Its one thing to 'make believe' its quite another to make death threats to fellow classmates. Hence, we the child was given a 'chat' to see if he understood the difference between 'make believe' and reality. I'm guessing the kid either didn't understand or was pretty focus on the actual killing part. The punishment would fit the crime. Sends a message clearly to the parent to check things much closer.

What death threats would those be, Joether? You do understand there's a difference between "I'm going to kill you" and "bang...you're dead", don't you? Apparently not...because the punishment didn't fit the crime.

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"A spokesperson for Harrison School District 2, which Stratton Meadows is a part of, couldn’t give specifics about the case, because it’s part of the student’s personal record."

Right there should clue most people in that there is MORE to the story than what's being given out. And its not a conspiracy they aren't giving the information out, its them obeying laws. An yes, some parents don't like to admit their kid is has issues and not the perfect angel they make him/her out to be. Now look at all those people that posted their viewpoints on the article. How many of them are fully informed to all the details between the school and the parent(s)? None. But they are behaving like they would have such knowledge.

Or it could clue people in that here we may have a child that behaves the way most kids used to...which, of course, would be considered disruptive in today's class room. He may throw spitwads or he may hum in class. But...as you noted, we have no such knowledge. However, we don't know that the administrators have ANY knowledge of anything similar to or worse than the incident that got him suspended. What we do have evidence of is administrators acting by rote.

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Ive no idea what the kid's problem(s) are exactly. But I have no doubt that either the parents or the school (or both) will have a therapist work with the child over the next two years or so, to figure out what is at issue. It could be the parent's are fighting, and this is translated to the child. Or the kid is being bullied. Or not getting enough attention. Or something else.

A therapist? Oh, that's right...you need a therapist nowadays to deal with a child's 'issues', even if the child is just mischievous or an unruly brat...because we all know that each person born is just perfect until the influence of his parents or harmful t.v. programs or the presence of a gun in the house. It can NEVER be that a kid is just more rambunctious or playful than the kid next to him...that he DOES know the difference between make-believe and reality and so he knew that he wasn't going to kill the kid with his finger.

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But bring in 'Common Core' that has nothing to do with the issue. Just a cheap political ploy. The writers of that know their general audience is too stupid to say "What does this have to do with that?". Common Core has its share of problems, but I would be surprise if its the source directly or indirectly to this kid's problem(s).

Or the writer knew that MOST of his audience could see the irony in teachers and administrators crying about Common Core because "each widdle lambkin is special...And, and, and unique...And, and, and different" and yet, applying zero tolerance punishments in the same manner for differing levels of infractions from these special, differing, unique darlings.

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Therapy for finger guns? A couple of YEARS therapy?

Finding out if a six year old understands what "dead" means? I can tell you the answer to that. . . in today's culture, no they do not. A hundred years ago, yes.

Make believe versus the real world? Umm. . . the kid is SIX! The "age of reason" is EIGHT.

Besides, what happened to sword fights, playing princess, battling dragons, GI Joe, cops and robbers, cowboys and Indians, witches, wizards, fairies, and all of the other dress-up and make believe play that kids do with the box of play clothes?

I get that he carried "play time" into "class work time," but years of therapy to solve the underlying issue? Try this:

"Stop screwing around in class and pay attention."

Oh wait. That might actually be effective.

But...But...But...Aylee...that might require the teacher speaking in something other than their"calm, understanding, indoor voice". Might require the teacher to show some initiative rather than fall back on the administration. Might scare the other "poor, twiddle lambkins" who've never witnessed something as shocking as a teacher being in charge in their own classroom.