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ORIGINAL: Sanity


That makes sense, because entrepreneurs will naturally want to build companies in areas where violent rioters are likely to burn them to the ground

Smart

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Almost none of the presidential hopefuls — themselves backed by corporate patrons — even mentions poverty. So it’s doubtful they’ve considered the sense of hopelessness that chronic unemployment might cause...

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Government is not the answer. You are not doing anyone a favor by creating dependency, destroying individual responsibility. 55 years ago, when my dad was a penniless teenage immigrant, thank God some well-meaning bureaucrat didn't put his arm around him and say let me take care of you. Let me give you a government check and make you dependent on government. And by the way, don't bother learning English. That would have been the most destructive thing anyone could have done.


Instead, my parents worked together to start a small business, to provide for their family and to chart their own future. That's the American dream.

To restore America, to get Americans back to work, we must rein in the leviathan. We must stop spending money we don't have and turn around our crushing debt. Each of you comprises the fabric of our nation. Together, we must revive our many-century love story with liberty and restore that shining City on a Hill that is America.

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Washington, D.C., March 27, 2015 – The Circle of Protection today asked Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz to record a video telling Americans what he would do to help hungry and poor people if elected.

“We are praying for a president who will make ending hunger and poverty a top priority of his or her administration. Are you that leader?” the Circle of Protection asked in a letter sent to Ted Cruz, the junior senator from Texas. A request for a three-minute video will be made of all presidential candidates as they officially enter the race for their party’s nomination.

“As national leaders from all the major branches of Christianity, we care deeply about many issues facing our country, but ending hunger and poverty is a top priority,” the religious leaders wrote.

The Circle of Protection will broadly publicize Cruz’s video among churches and the public. The Circle of Protection will not evaluate the candidates’ policy positions or endorse any candidate.

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Let me say from the outset, I will work with the President, Democrats, Independents and anyone else who wants to get people back to work and alleviate poverty in our country.

I believe in an America with a strong safety net, but one that doesn't suffocate our resolve to better ourselves and our country.

We must choose a new way, a way that empowers the individual through education and responsibility to earn a place alongside their fellow Americans in the most prosperous nation ever conceived...


I'm not against having unemployment insurance. I do think, though, that the longer you have it, that it provides some disincentive to work, and that there are many studies that indicate this. So we have to figure out how to create jobs and keep people from becoming long-term unemployed. That's why I promoted the economic freedom zones which would dramatically lower taxes in areas where there's long-term unemployment.

Education, housing, and local commerce, among many other welfare programs for citizens should be the responsibility and role of the states & communities. This budget will provide assistance to the states to perform functions like supplemental nutrition, low-income health care and other assistance needs. Not only does this significantly lower the cost to the federal government, but also it achieves the goal of bending the cost curve for these programs down.

Through reform ideas like block granting, we can provide federally assisted funds to local communities to help them facilitate and tend to those in need of such essentials such as food or health care. Such proposals would return the responsibility back to the states and promote the opportunity for states to innovate and plan based on the needs of their constituency. Most importantly, it would encourage states to take a more direct look at who is in poverty, who is receiving unnecessary aid, and to facilitate a lessened dependency on government.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

The best statement yet on why they riot. For any objective sociological assessment as to why people would go to such extremes. This becomes a very important question...why ?

“My greater source of personal concern, outrage and sympathy beyond this particular case is focused neither upon one night’s property damage nor upon the acts."

“It is focused rather upon the past four-decade period during which an American political elite have shipped middle class and working class jobs away from Baltimore and cities and towns around the U.S. to third-world dictatorships like China and others, plunged tens of millions of good, hard-working Americans into economic devastation, and then followed that action around the nation by diminishing every American’s civil rights protections in order to control an unfairly impoverished population living under an ever-declining standard of living and suffering at the butt end of an ever-more militarized and aggressive surveillance state.”

Peter Angelos Owner of the Baltimore Orioles, responding to a sports radio broadcaster upset about earlier protests causing gate closures at Camden Yards.

Thinking of the presidential hopefuls:

Almost none of the presidential hopefuls — themselves backed by corporate patrons — even mentions poverty. So it’s doubtful they’ve considered the sense of hopelessness that chronic unemployment might cause, or the disenfranchisement a black man might experience when his very presence is treated as a problem. It might mean getting pulled over for doing nothing wrong, or being handcuffed on a walk home. Or ending up dead for selling cigarettes, or for havingthe nerve to look a police lieutenant in the eye, as Freddie Gray did.....

Angelos and Basu are exactly right.

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ORIGINAL: Marini

DmSM

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

The best statement yet on why they riot. For any objective sociological assessment as to why people would go to such extremes. This becomes a very important question...why ?

“My greater source of personal concern, outrage and sympathy beyond this particular case is focused neither upon one night’s property damage nor upon the acts."

“It is focused rather upon the past four-decade period during which an American political elite have shipped middle class and working class jobs away from Baltimore and cities and towns around the U.S. to third-world dictatorships like China and others, plunged tens of millions of good, hard-working Americans into economic devastation, and then followed that action around the nation by diminishing every American’s civil rights protections in order to control an unfairly impoverished population living under an ever-declining standard of living and suffering at the butt end of an ever-more militarized and aggressive surveillance state.”

Peter Angelos Owner of the Baltimore Orioles, responding to a sports radio broadcaster upset about earlier protests causing gate closures at Camden Yards.

Thinking of the presidential hopefuls:

Almost none of the presidential hopefuls — themselves backed by corporate patrons — even mentions poverty. So it’s doubtful they’ve considered the sense of hopelessness that chronic unemployment might cause, or the disenfranchisement a black man might experience when his very presence is treated as a problem. It might mean getting pulled over for doing nothing wrong, or being handcuffed on a walk home. Or ending up dead for selling cigarettes, or for havingthe nerve to look a police lieutenant in the eye, as Freddie Gray did.....

Angelos and Basu are exactly right.

As a BLACK African American woman, I thank you for this.
I realized LONG ago, Many non-Black folks on here, feel they are experts on how many Black people think, so I don't bother to debate on most topics dealing with race on here.
[sm=goodpost.gif]
Thank you, and fucking A, Mr. Rogers
I told an elderly family member last night, that I agree with what one young man in Baltimore, stated in an interview.
....Many people have NO idea how many young Black people feel in the inner city.

As a Black woman, I agree.
When I was much younger, it was EASY to get a job, and times were much easier.

With Black unemployment at critically high levels, I don't know what "feels like", NOT to be able to get a job, feel like I have little to no opportunites and live with chronic hopelessness.

Thank you Mr. Rogers

PEACE

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

this is from ted cruz:

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Government is not the answer. You are not doing anyone a favor by creating dependency, destroying individual responsibility. 55 years ago, when my dad was a penniless teenage immigrant, thank God some well-meaning bureaucrat didn't put his arm around him and say let me take care of you. Let me give you a government check and make you dependent on government. And by the way, don't bother learning English. That would have been the most destructive thing anyone could have done.


Instead, my parents worked together to start a small business, to provide for their family and to chart their own future. That's the American dream.

To restore America, to get Americans back to work, we must rein in the leviathan. We must stop spending money we don't have and turn around our crushing debt. Each of you comprises the fabric of our nation. Together, we must revive our many-century love story with liberty and restore that shining City on a Hill that is America.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Economic/Ted_Cruz_Welfare_+_Poverty.htm

and this is really neat:

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Washington, D.C., March 27, 2015 – The Circle of Protection today asked Republican presidential candidate Ted Cruz to record a video telling Americans what he would do to help hungry and poor people if elected.

“We are praying for a president who will make ending hunger and poverty a top priority of his or her administration. Are you that leader?” the Circle of Protection asked in a letter sent to Ted Cruz, the junior senator from Texas. A request for a three-minute video will be made of all presidential candidates as they officially enter the race for their party’s nomination.

“As national leaders from all the major branches of Christianity, we care deeply about many issues facing our country, but ending hunger and poverty is a top priority,” the religious leaders wrote.

The Circle of Protection will broadly publicize Cruz’s video among churches and the public. The Circle of Protection will not evaluate the candidates’ policy positions or endorse any candidate.

http://files.bread.org/pdf/circle-of-protection-ted-cruz.pdf


this is from rand paul:

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Let me say from the outset, I will work with the President, Democrats, Independents and anyone else who wants to get people back to work and alleviate poverty in our country.

I believe in an America with a strong safety net, but one that doesn't suffocate our resolve to better ourselves and our country.

We must choose a new way, a way that empowers the individual through education and responsibility to earn a place alongside their fellow Americans in the most prosperous nation ever conceived...


I'm not against having unemployment insurance. I do think, though, that the longer you have it, that it provides some disincentive to work, and that there are many studies that indicate this. So we have to figure out how to create jobs and keep people from becoming long-term unemployed. That's why I promoted the economic freedom zones which would dramatically lower taxes in areas where there's long-term unemployment.

Education, housing, and local commerce, among many other welfare programs for citizens should be the responsibility and role of the states & communities. This budget will provide assistance to the states to perform functions like supplemental nutrition, low-income health care and other assistance needs. Not only does this significantly lower the cost to the federal government, but also it achieves the goal of bending the cost curve for these programs down.

Through reform ideas like block granting, we can provide federally assisted funds to local communities to help them facilitate and tend to those in need of such essentials such as food or health care. Such proposals would return the responsibility back to the states and promote the opportunity for states to innovate and plan based on the needs of their constituency. Most importantly, it would encourage states to take a more direct look at who is in poverty, who is receiving unnecessary aid, and to facilitate a lessened dependency on government.

http://www.ontheissues.org/Economic/Rand_Paul_Welfare_+_Poverty.htm

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

If I knew how every...hell even most whites thought about anything I could make a lot more money than I do... Marini to make the claim you do is like claiming all blacks think alike and are simpletons with no complexity or varied opinion. To me it is insulting... I have neighbors they talk I talk I know how they feel they know how I feel some are black some or white we are all people with varying opinions...I know MORE about blacks close to me than you do only because we talk... so please knock off the only blacks know blacks stuff... it is simply not true.

Butch

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

that's a dandy question...apart from liberal race baiters and the pandering democrats, im not sure.

bill o'reilly mentioned recently he thinks its going to take Baltimore decades to recover from this.

one thing missing so far in response to the OP (though i trust it will show up eventually) is the notion of individual responsibility. I can be oppressed, disenfranchised, and unemployed, and still I have a choice to burn and loot, or to not.

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The point is anybody who is not black does not know and could never know what is like to BE black in any racist country which still includes the US

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

The best statement yet on why they riot. For any objective sociological assessment as to why people would go to such extremes. This becomes a very important question...why ?

“My greater source of personal concern, outrage and sympathy beyond this particular case is focused neither upon one night’s property damage nor upon the acts."

“It is focused rather upon the past four-decade period during which an American political elite have shipped middle class and working class jobs away from Baltimore and cities and towns around the U.S. to third-world dictatorships like China and others, plunged tens of millions of good, hard-working Americans into economic devastation, and then followed that action around the nation by diminishing every American’s civil rights protections in order to control an unfairly impoverished population living under an ever-declining standard of living and suffering at the butt end of an ever-more militarized and aggressive surveillance state.”

Peter Angelos Owner of the Baltimore Orioles, responding to a sports radio broadcaster upset about earlier protests causing gate closures at Camden Yards.

Thinking of the presidential hopefuls:

Almost none of the presidential hopefuls — themselves backed by corporate patrons — even mentions poverty. So it’s doubtful they’ve considered the sense of hopelessness that chronic unemployment might cause, or the disenfranchisement a black man might experience when his very presence is treated as a problem. It might mean getting pulled over for doing nothing wrong, or being handcuffed on a walk home. Or ending up dead for selling cigarettes, or for having the nerve to look a police lieutenant in the eye, as Freddie Gray did.....

Angelos and Basu are exactly right.

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

If I knew how every...hell even most whites thought about anything I could make a lot more money than I do... Marini to make the claim you do is like claiming all blacks think alike and are simpletons with no complexity or varied opinion. To me it is insulting... I have neighbors they talk I talk I know how they feel they know how I feel some are black some or white we are all people with varying opinions...I know MORE about blacks close to me than you do only because we talk... so please knock off the only blacks know blacks stuff... it is simply not true.

Butch

The point is anybody who is not black does not know and could never know what is like to BE black in any racist country which still includes the US.

There is in far too many white minds and hearts, an almost instinctive rejection of the idea that any black person could be treated like we've been hearing about recently and all across America.

Yet, there is no way any white person can know what it is really like to be black in America.

I have had many close black friends, black roommate and even a black sub. Still, I cannot know what it is like to wear their skin.

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ORIGINAL: HunterCA

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

The best statement yet on why they riot. For any objective sociological assessment as to why people would go to such extremes. This becomes a very important question...why ?

“My greater source of personal concern, outrage and sympathy beyond this particular case is focused neither upon one night’s property damage nor upon the acts."

“It is focused rather upon the past four-decade period during which an American political elite have shipped middle class and working class jobs away from Baltimore and cities and towns around the U.S. to third-world dictatorships like China and others, plunged tens of millions of good, hard-working Americans into economic devastation, and then followed that action around the nation by diminishing every American’s civil rights protections in order to control an unfairly impoverished population living under an ever-declining standard of living and suffering at the butt end of an ever-more militarized and aggressive surveillance state.”

Peter Angelos Owner of the Baltimore Orioles, responding to a sports radio broadcaster upset about earlier protests causing gate closures at Camden Yards.

Thinking of the presidential hopefuls:

Almost none of the presidential hopefuls — themselves backed by corporate patrons — even mentions poverty. So it’s doubtful they’ve considered the sense of hopelessness that chronic unemployment might cause, or the disenfranchisement a black man might experience when his very presence is treated as a problem. It might mean getting pulled over for doing nothing wrong, or being handcuffed on a walk home. Or ending up dead for selling cigarettes, or for having the nerve to look a police lieutenant in the eye, as Freddie Gray did.....

Angelos and Basu are exactly right.

Here's a place to start for you to fix your simplistic views.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

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The point is anybody who is not black does not know and could never know what is like to BE black in any racist country which still includes the US

Mr Rodgers that is crap... try being gay in this country. There is little difference i would say in many respects... there are kinds of prejudice with many groups... try being Jewish in America...blacks have no more experience then these groups... try being Hispanic in America... you and she need to get off the high horse because many no prejudice... not just blacks

Butch

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

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The point is anybody who is not black does not know and could never know what is like to BE black in any racist country which still includes the US

Mr Rodgers that is crap... try being gay in this country. There is little difference i would say in many respects... there are kinds of prejudice with many groups... try being Jewish in America...blacks have no more experience then these groups... try being Hispanic in America... you and she need to get off the high horse because many no prejudice... not just blacks

Butch

Try being Asian, where they stack the deck AGAINST you.

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ORIGINAL: Marini

DmSM

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

The best statement yet on why they riot. For any objective sociological assessment as to why people would go to such extremes. This becomes a very important question...why ?

“My greater source of personal concern, outrage and sympathy beyond this particular case is focused neither upon one night’s property damage nor upon the acts."

“It is focused rather upon the past four-decade period during which an American political elite have shipped middle class and working class jobs away from Baltimore and cities and towns around the U.S. to third-world dictatorships like China and others, plunged tens of millions of good, hard-working Americans into economic devastation, and then followed that action around the nation by diminishing every American’s civil rights protections in order to control an unfairly impoverished population living under an ever-declining standard of living and suffering at the butt end of an ever-more militarized and aggressive surveillance state.”

Peter Angelos Owner of the Baltimore Orioles, responding to a sports radio broadcaster upset about earlier protests causing gate closures at Camden Yards.

Thinking of the presidential hopefuls:

Almost none of the presidential hopefuls — themselves backed by corporate patrons — even mentions poverty. So it’s doubtful they’ve considered the sense of hopelessness that chronic unemployment might cause, or the disenfranchisement a black man might experience when his very presence is treated as a problem. It might mean getting pulled over for doing nothing wrong, or being handcuffed on a walk home. Or ending up dead for selling cigarettes, or for havingthe nerve to look a police lieutenant in the eye, as Freddie Gray did.....

Angelos and Basu are exactly right.

As a BLACK African American woman, I thank you for this.
I realized LONG ago, Many non-Black folks on here, feel they are experts on how many Black people think, so I don't bother to debate on most topics dealing with race on here.
[sm=goodpost.gif]
Thank you, and fucking A, Mr. Rogers
I told an elderly family member last night, that I agree with what one young man in Baltimore, stated in an interview.
....Many people have NO idea how many young Black people feel in the inner city.

As a Black woman, I agree.
When I was much younger, it was EASY to get a job, and times were much easier.

With Black unemployment at critically high levels, I don't know what it"feels like", NOT to be able to get a job, to feel like I have little to no opportunites, and to live with chronic/pervasive hopelessness.

Thank you Mr. Rogers

PEACE