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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

Also, free room and board is generally not enough of a bribe for creepy intergenerational sex.

How much do you feel would be appropriate?

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ORIGINAL: verbatimguy

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: verbatimguy

You want to pay for a girl to have sex with you?
She is going to extract a large price out of you.

If you are prepared to pay you will be like every other married guy.
You will have a contract.
You give her money for sex.
She gives you sex for money.

Fair and square.

Normanlly she can get that from any guy and nmormally she picks a guy somewhat around her age.
So you are out of her normal range.

But hey they all do it.
So go for it.

Just remember what I said.
She extracts her price and there is a contract which will eventuelly be broken in 90% of the situations.

So be prepaired for the price when the contract is broken.
Which for married guys is basically half of what you own today.

Diveide that by the number of times you had sex and it comes out to many thouusands of dollars per sex act.

Then think about how cheap a hooker findomme is by way of comparison.
No contract!

Are you single?

You didnt get the analaly if you ask that question.

All men who want long term woman have to make a contract.
The first persion who posted is talking about a long term contract.
Of corse that first person isnt expecting to pay thru the nose when the contract brakes but she the girl will extract her due money.
That is just like marriage contract wich is designed to make half the money go to each party when they break teh marriage contact.

SO it does not matter at all if the person is married or not married.
The WOMEN wont give teh men the sex without the contract.

The part that the women want in teh contract is the part that kicks in when the contract is BROKED!

In the case of the first poster the contract will be fine for HIM un til he brakes the contract and then she will extract her due money from him if she is any good.

Do you know teh old adages of why give the milk for free?
Its all about women always forcing teh long term contract which means you pay every day and when you brake the contract you give half away.

I am just warning the first poster how the world world when deeling with women they way HE wants to deel with them!

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul
You seriously don't think there are a 1000 better ways to determine if she has any level of interest in him?

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Do you believable its appropriate to ask a woman young enough to be your granddaughter, one with whom you have no social relationship whatsoever and who has given you no reason to think that she wants one to move in with you and have sex with you in return for being kept?

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No one said anything about burning him at the stake. However, at a minimum, he risks getting ostracized, and rightly so. Depending on what kind of woman she is, or what kind of person the bar owner is, he could risk his dangly parts being skewered with an icepick from the bar, or getting his ass dragged out to the back and kicked.

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Because it is creepy and offensive.

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ORIGINAL: pleasnpetrichor

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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul
You seriously don't think there are a 1000 better ways to determine if she has any level of interest in him?

Such as... ESP? No, I don't think there is a better way of determining whether she is interested in this arrangement than... asking her directly, in clear and simple English.

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Do you believable its appropriate to ask a woman young enough to be your granddaughter, one with whom you have no social relationship whatsoever and who has given you no reason to think that she wants one to move in with you and have sex with you in return for being kept?

Yes, I do. He has the right to ask. She has the right to say no (or yes). A similar dance is going on between thousands of men and thousands of women in thousands of bars at this moment, and most of *them* have no "social relationship" and no "reason to suspect the other person wants *them*"... other than their mere physical presence in that bar. Why not ask? Again, no one is suggesting his dragging her off against her will, kicking and screaming.

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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And what I don't know is what the exchange rate euro to dollar was over 10 years ago

Between 1.2 to 1.3 dollars to buy a euro back in 2005, depending on the month.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/note/join/2007/379231/IPOL-TRAN_NT(2007)379231_EN.pdf
The relevant table is on page 13 of the PDF.

So about 10 years ago, starting rates for monthly pocket money was around $600-$650 US.

So OP, yeah, still... if she's actually interested in that kind of arrangement, she can do better than you.
Both in terms of a younger guy, as well as one who will make the finances and living arrangement more attractive then your current 'proposal'.

Oh, something else that's noteworthy to mentions: none of the arrangements I'm familiar with included domestic duties. If you get a sugar babe, she won't clean.

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ORIGINAL: AAkasha

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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And what I don't know is what the exchange rate euro to dollar was over 10 years ago

Between 1.2 to 1.3 dollars to buy a euro back in 2005, depending on the month.
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/note/join/2007/379231/IPOL-TRAN_NT(2007)379231_EN.pdf
The relevant table is on page 13 of the PDF.

So about 10 years ago, starting rates for monthly pocket money was around $600-$650 US.

So OP, yeah, still... if she's actually interested in that kind of arrangement, she can do better than you.
Both in terms of a younger guy, as well as one who will make the finances and living arrangement more attractive then your current 'proposal'.

Oh, something else that's noteworthy to mentions: none of the arrangements I'm familiar with included domestic duties. If you get a sugar babe, she won't clean.

Important to also note -- if a young lady wants this kind of arrangement that OP mentions, I think as others have pointed out, why wouldn't she seek a man who will give her enough money to LIVE ON HER OWN and pay her expenses etc. What young lady wants to live with an old guy?

And from what I understand, many sugar daddy type relationships also don't have sexual intercourse on the table per se, but companionship, dating, etc. Arm candy.

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Yes, I do. He has the right to ask. She has the right to say no (or yes). A similar dance is going on between thousands of men and thousands of women in thousands of bars at this moment, and most of *them* have no "social relationship" and no "reason to suspect the other person wants *them*"... other than their mere physical presence in that bar. Why not ask? Again, no one is suggesting his dragging her off against her will, kicking and screaming.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: verbatimguy

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: verbatimguy

You want to pay for a girl to have sex with you?
She is going to extract a large price out of you.

If you are prepared to pay you will be like every other married guy.
You will have a contract.
You give her money for sex.
She gives you sex for money.

Fair and square.

Normanlly she can get that from any guy and nmormally she picks a guy somewhat around her age.
So you are out of her normal range.

But hey they all do it.
So go for it.

Just remember what I said.
She extracts her price and there is a contract which will eventuelly be broken in 90% of the situations.

So be prepaired for the price when the contract is broken.
Which for married guys is basically half of what you own today.

Diveide that by the number of times you had sex and it comes out to many thouusands of dollars per sex act.

Then think about how cheap a hooker findomme is by way of comparison.
No contract!

Are you single?

You didnt get the analaly if you ask that question.

All men who want long term woman have to make a contract.
The first persion who posted is talking about a long term contract.
Of corse that first person isnt expecting to pay thru the nose when the contract brakes but she the girl will extract her due money.
That is just like marriage contract wich is designed to make half the money go to each party when they break teh marriage contact.

SO it does not matter at all if the person is married or not married.
The WOMEN wont give teh men the sex without the contract.

The part that the women want in teh contract is the part that kicks in when the contract is BROKED!

In the case of the first poster the contract will be fine for HIM un til he brakes the contract and then she will extract her due money from him if she is any good.

Do you know teh old adages of why give the milk for free?
Its all about women always forcing teh long term contract which means you pay every day and when you brake the contract you give half away.

I am just warning the first poster how the world world when deeling with women they way HE wants to deel with them!

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And I asked you a simple question

It was simple enough for a yes, no, or was.
I dont wanna hear what you think I asked.
I dont wanna know what you think you know about women.
I wanna know if you are single.
quit with the bullshit already, you really arent fooling anyone but yourself.

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ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2

I disagree that he has the right to ask. She is at work, not on a street corner but in a bar. If she were a prostitute, she would make that reasonably apparent and then it would be OK to ask. Giving him sex in exchange for rent and/or cash is prostitution, and I haven't heard anything to suggest that is her profession.

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ORIGINAL: pleasnpetrichor

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ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2

I disagree that he has the right to ask. She is at work, not on a street corner but in a bar. If she were a prostitute, she would make that reasonably apparent and then it would be OK to ask. Giving him sex in exchange for rent and/or cash is prostitution, and I haven't heard anything to suggest that is her profession.

I can see that.

I'd be more inclined to see his behavior as inappropriate if she hadn't volunteered the personal information that she did.

It should be possible for a female bartender to serve a male client (and be polite and engaging and do her job) without revealing such personal details about her relationship and finances.

I guess I find the fact that she chose to reveal those details to a stranger as sufficiently encouraging, and I'm not inclined to condemn the OP... especially if he phrases himself as he did here and not more crudely.

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

From a bottom feeder point of view, it must always seems that way

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ORIGINAL: ReMakeYou
There are a lot of ways of gauging interest other than bluntly asking. Never mind the part where your average sugar baby expects appreciably more than room and board out of the deal. There's a fair amount of social dancing before you float the idea of BDSM with someone. There's certainly a lot of vetting done before the issue of moving in is raised. Trying to skip past all that should raise red flags.

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On top of that issue, OP doesn't know much more about this gal than most of us do about our bartenders. If he wanted a sugar arrangement in general, that would be one thing. As a rule of thumb, when someone is asking how to score a specific relationship type with someone they don't know well, it's time to back away slowly. It falls under the general umbrella of expecting something very specific from a relationship without accounting for what the other person's tastes and interests might add.

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It should be possible for a female bartender to serve a male client (and be polite and engaging and do her job) without revealing such personal details about her relationship and finances.

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ORIGINAL: tj444
Maybe he was pumping her for those details, not her volunteering them.. She is young, he is old enough to be her grandfather.. I expect she thought of him as a grandfatherly type of guy, someone that might have grandkids going to college & know how tight money gets.. I seriously doubt she would have told him squat if she had known that he was just another dirty old man thinking creepy thoughts about her..