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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 10/2/2016 4:28:42 AM

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I am not going to edit my previous post, I will write this here and now.

The problem happens when people forget that there are a few desperate and unfortunate folks that are dealt a shitty hand in life. To say that they can spin it into roses is bullshit. Those in this country that cannot fend for themselves are not the problem. You want to make those do something that can or could make a choice, fine, do that. Have at it. Do not sit there and fucking arrogantly tell me that they all can do something if they want to. Well guess what, I could get over my mental illness if I just tried harder or if I got my ass kicked. But I will tell you here and now that if it was that fucking easy, I would have done it already.... my problems solved, I would go back to what I thought I should do for society.

No, fuck you. You live in a fucking bubble, and don't understand what I have seen or been through.

Want to persecute me for being the problem? I was homeless, I was on welfare, I am obviously bright, that I know, but I went through a lot of shit that you will never know... nor would I hope you experience, and I was one of the pathetic fucks you want to make do something that, at that time, I could not do. I do it now, many many years later, because I have a fucking heart. I support my friend financially, and I frankly cannot afford to do it, but I do what I can.

You sit there, telling me that I am the problem? No, you have that very wrong. I am the very representation of the problem, and I am the solution. I have compassion for those that I have seen, and understand they could do something if they could.

One last thing. Fuck you.

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 10/2/2016 6:16:34 AM

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There are always going to be people who can't "contribute to society". Maybe its permanent, maybe it isn't.

I have high hopes that one day my daughter will be able to hold a job again, and be one of those people. Even though her shrink has told her that she will probably always have visual and auditory hallucinations.

But at this time, it isn't happening, and neither is much else. I'm just happy she can live by herself and take care of two dogs who give her impetus to get out of bed every day. The future isn't set in stone, so maybe sometime in the future she can go to work full time and not be dependent on the kindness of others, such as it is.

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 10/2/2016 7:31:02 AM

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OMFG Gauge, stop the drama stories. Seriously. The difference between you and me is you feel someone has to STAY down because he is disabled. YOU YOURSELF say he is bright, can write etc. Its the AGE OF THE INTERNET you fool. There are many things people who can't get around or do other things others can do because THEY HAVE STRENGTHS people don't want to see in them that can contribute to the society in some way.

Ironically, you are soo focused on pity and excuses for people with disabilities that you are completely missing that there MAY be some way they can contribute and its up to society to figure out how working with them instead of against them. Just giving them aid is NOT working with them but is working AGAINST them because it doesn't allow them enough room to grow.

Perhaps instead of arguing that my suggestion is absolutely no way going to work for people like your friend, give him some respect that the community may be able to use his brain or what he CAN do to give back.

Society needs to open their minds more and believe people are capable of more -- including people like you and your comments here show how closed minded you are.

lol should I say -- NO FUCK U? Stop with the drama already. EVERYONE in this world has crap they deal with and everyone goes through shit, some worse than others some you will NEVER know or understand because you want pity for what you went through. Its simply the geography of differences. Cfap you can't even fathom. Yet you sit here crying I will never understand -- withouout remotely stopping and thinking maybe you will never understand what others have gone through in their lives? Hypocrit.

So stop being an idiot who is so focused on negating anything that would remotely put a concept of expectation of people on aid, and stop looking with the eyes of pity, and start seeing maybe people can do more.

Kiwi, I truly hope your daughter gets to that state as well. I am sure she works towards it every day. I am not saying thrust people into situations that would harm them. I am saying -- there may be something she can do to help the community that the community needs -- i.e., she takes care of two dogs and lives independently -- which tells me she does independent things that some people may not be able to do --maybe she could do whatever that is for someone who can't.

If I had the business plan for how this would work -- i'd be running for president. I don't. But I think our entitlement assistance situation without any type of contributing to the society -- needs to change. It's way to overloaded, not designed to lift people up, etc. As someone pointed out, the expectation of giving back is occurring and working well for a select few. Now we just have to find away to expand it so everyone can use their strengths to give back -- if they are accepting assistance.

I don't think that is too much to ask of people. Gauge you act as if I am suggesting your friend be thrown to the worlves. You know not everyone out there is out there to HARM people, but I also feel strongly that if you are getting assistance, there may be something you can do to give back to the community within your limits.

Yes, I may sound like a cold hearted bitch with no empathy, but you'd be wrong. I simply see a situation that is getting worse and worse and when it crashes NO ONE will be helped.

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 10/2/2016 12:39:15 PM

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As a female Dominant, I would have to say no.

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 10/2/2016 7:17:13 PM

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as a service orientated slave i would prefer to support myself

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 10/3/2016 9:20:20 AM

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It's kinda weird that many career woman here equate a house wife to just sitting at home wasting away with nothing to do.

Just because you don't have a job that pays you, doesn't mean, you just sit at home. There are so many community activities you can get involve with voluntarily to pass time and still meet people and socialise. There is soo much you can do to contribute to society when you don't have to work. I know house wives who volunteer their time in kitchens preparing free food for the poor and needy daily. She doesn't get paid, but she does it because she had the luxury to do something useful. And their husband also feel proud about their wives doing charitable work.

Personally, I like my responsibilities to be taking care of a home and my man and kids if there were kids. But it doesn't mean I have no life. It also means I can go pursue more meaningful pursuits, more social work since I don't have to worry about bringing in the dough. If I have to contribute to the dough, then, pretty much, I am just doing things for the sake of the money.

And the issue of domestic subs. I know even vanilla woman, there are many super woman who can juggle a full time job, kids and still shoulder 101% of all the house work by herself.

But that is just dreadful. My personal opinion is, the guy should offer to support the domestic sub. Domestic work is still work after all.
Of course if she wants to work and juggle everything together, he should support her too.

And definitely, anybody with dependents should buy insurances, so they will be financially taken care of anyway if something was to happen to you.

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 10/7/2016 7:00:59 PM

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I first want to say this is a great topic. I can speak from experience when once upon a time I had 2 live-in subs. 1 was comfortable knowing I supported both of them and the other was not that she went and got a job. Her getting a job made no sense cuz her job wasn't paying enough to cover any real bills. But I let her have it to give her some sense of security. So in my opinion I feel if you're able to support your sub is the key factor. I honestly feel that her working was not good. It ended up with her having insecurity issues cuz I traveled with the other sub while she had to work which ended up being the start to the end of my 2 sub living arrangement.

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 10/7/2016 7:27:26 PM

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Just because you don't have a job that pays you, doesn't mean, you just sit at home.
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No, but it does mean that you don't earn social security, have to rely on public assistance for insurance and don't have any savings for the future.

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 10/7/2016 10:29:24 PM

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No, but it does mean that you don't earn social security, have to rely on public assistance for insurance and don't have any savings for the future.

It's like a house wife, the husband should provide all that for her! Also buy insurances!
So if all that is not happening, then she better work and take care of herself if the dude she is with is not interested in taking care of her.

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 10/8/2016 8:55:56 AM

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Just because you don't have a job that pays you, doesn't mean, you just sit at home.
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No, but it does mean that you don't earn social security, have to rely on public assistance for insurance and don't have any savings for the future.

Only if the household cannot afford to have a member stay home.
If the household can afford it, steps should be taken so that the stay at home member does have all of those things.

If the household cannot afford to take those steps, deciding that one member should stay home anyways, and rely on public assistance for insurance is sleazy.

I've stayed at home for the duration of our marriage, due to custody issues, we are forced to live in an area where I cannot get a job above minimum wage (no jobs available for somebody with my qualifications in this area). So instead we choose to focus on making sure my husband's career potential was maximized by making sure he could put in whatever hours/travel time needed to focus on his career. Because of this, his salary has doubled in the time of our marriage. Which is something he wouldn't have been able to do had I gotten some low end job in the area.
He makes far more above the salary he did when we started than I could have in this area working. Out of his salary, my insurance and retirement savings are taken care of. We've never taken a dime of public assistance.

For us, me staying at home was financially the better decision. Not everybody who stays home does so to mooch of the system.

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 10/8/2016 10:10:47 AM

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Just because you don't have a job that pays you, doesn't mean, you just sit at home.
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No, but it does mean that you don't earn social security, have to rely on public assistance for insurance and don't have any savings for the future.

Only if the household cannot afford to have a member stay home.
If the household can afford it, steps should be taken so that the stay at home member does have all of those things.

If the household cannot afford to take those steps, deciding that one member should stay home anyways, and rely on public assistance for insurance is sleazy.

I've stayed at home for the duration of our marriage, due to custody issues, we are forced to live in an area where I cannot get a job above minimum wage (no jobs available for somebody with my qualifications in this area). So instead we choose to focus on making sure my husband's career potential was maximized by making sure he could put in whatever hours/travel time needed to focus on his career. Because of this, his salary has doubled in the time of our marriage. Which is something he wouldn't have been able to do had I gotten some low end job in the area.
He makes far more above the salary he did when we started than I could have in this area working. Out of his salary, my insurance and retirement savings are taken care of. We've never taken a dime of public assistance.

For us, me staying at home was financially the better decision. Not everybody who stays home does so to mooch of the system.

I wasn't saying that everyone that stays home mooches from the system.

But, the reality is that unless you're married, you're not qualified to be on someone else's insurance. In CA, that means that you're "buying" insurance from Covered California because that's the only place you can buy individual insurance these days. The purchase price is based on your income - in this it would be $0 - so the insurance would end up being little to free.

My point was - that unless you can provide for the future of the (unmarried) people who stay home - that it has an impact.

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 10/8/2016 10:34:29 AM

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On the topic, no. I do not think it right to support domestic slaves. "Supporting" being paying for and providing for them without the need on their part to do equivalent work. All should work to earn their keep; work around the house (domestic duties) is work too. So if those duties are a full time job then that works out. If it isn't a full-time job then they need to do other things outside the house to earn the rest of their keep.

Besides, advertising a willingness to allow a sub to live off you always attracts the wrong sort.

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 10/8/2016 1:21:19 PM

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My point was - that unless you can provide for the future of the (unmarried) people who stay home - that it has an impact.

That point is very different from your previous claim that it would have to result on needed to rely on public assistance, and would necessarily mean you don't have a savings account.

Neither I, nor any other member of this household who we chose to have not work (which might be happening with our slave girl come next year), would have to rely -or indeed would rely- on public assistance or not have a savings account.

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 10/8/2016 1:29:36 PM

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There are no women on here at all - have I clarified his - that are looking....There may be the odd mess who feels the need to contribute mad waffle and atrocity of no value to my kind.

But you Op like almost all users on here, and I mean >99% whom offer utter no reality, save slavering nonsense –behold behold your kind
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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 10/8/2016 1:32:53 PM

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On the topic, no. I do not think it right to support domestic slaves. "Supporting" being paying for and providing for them without the need on their part to do equivalent work. All should work to earn their keep; work around the house (domestic duties) is work too. So if those duties are a full time job then that works out. If it isn't a full-time job then they need to do other things outside the house to earn the rest of their keep

Besides, advertising a willingness to allow a sub to live off you always attracts the wrong sort.

Nope, not always.

And I personally don't ascribe to the theory that slaves need to 'earn their keep' by labor/work -domestic or outside of the home.
The way our house runs, slaves earn their keep by obeying.

So she might very well be told to stay home, not do any domestic labor, and merely focus on being 'fresh and ready' for service once the Master comes home, by engaging in nothing but recreational and beauty pursuits all day like a harem girl would.

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 10/8/2016 2:04:09 PM

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The question was posed regarding domestic subs, hence the emphasis on domestic duties. If one was engaged as a sex slave the sec would be the primary work. If the role was to be a vase than being a vase would be the work. If you as owner find value in it to be equivalent to a full time occupation then that works out, balance of value. But that's my world view. Everyone earns their own keep. That includes the D-types.

I didn't say it only attracts the wrong type.

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 11/22/2016 6:38:33 PM

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The Master and I both worked. Here, in the US, it's not wise for the servant to remain at home. There are just way too many things that may happen to leave the servant destitute and homeless.

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 11/23/2016 7:43:28 PM

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Gauge, I don't agree with you. It's that simple. You are making excuses.
As I said you are part of the problem because you make excuses. Unless your friend is an invalid then I would see your point. Your friend may be hindered physically doesn't mean he's hindered mentally.

Perhaps instead of saying what he can't do- look at what he can do. You may get the idea then instead of making excuses as to why it won't work at all.

Again you are part of the problem.

So do you plan on funding the extra support staff salaries necessary to be able to assist every single person...no matter how disabled...is out there doing something? You want them up off their asses, right? How much extra are you willing to pay in taxes to fund this endeavor?

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 11/27/2016 2:26:20 PM

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If he is a valid master with experience of being responsible..........
..he is should be able to provide for his sub in the normal necessities of life

That being shelter food and emotional substance and clothing.
Beyond that if she wishes the extras that is on her.

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RE: Doms looking for a domestic sub, do you support them? - 3/8/2017 10:25:09 PM

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I think this is a good question.

I would love to have a live in 24/7 slave. The question of working outside the house is an important one. My first (and selfish) reaction would be to say "NO, SHE SHOULD BE ETERNALY AND COMPLEETLY FOCUSED ON ME" but I'm not always going to be there and I don't like the idea of making work just to keep people busy.

@ freedomwarf its true that in the united states (thank you for not calling it America and forgetting about the two other countries in the north and multiple in the south) we try to promote being a contributing member of society to earn money so you don't need to be a dependent of government. But who wants to just exist its hard enough for me to let go of the percentage they take now knowing how many people receive it who should and can be working.

It goes further than that though, and while I only skimmed the thread I saw the reoccurring dependency topic and what happens if we part ways topic arise, but I would like to ad that having an outside job has the possible added benefit of providing extra value and pride. Not only would the S type be able to receive reward and praise from their "domestic/sensual" duties at home but they have the opportunity to have their self worth validated by someone who not tied to them in the domestic/intimate manner of an O/M/D (top)

The reward of knowing that people outside of your domestic circle have respect and admiration for you is huge and can help you perform your regular and more important primary tasks. I know this from personal experience in my own life as well as seeing it in M/s dynamics I've been associated with.

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