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RE: Herpes - 9/12/2016 2:07:48 PM   
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Have ever been tested for herpes?
I've been tested for everything.

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You know for a fact you're " clean "?
Absolutely


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Do you know for a fact that every person you had sexual contact in your entire life is "clean "?
Doesn't matter if I know if every person I had contact with was clean. I know that M and I both are clean and that's all that matters.



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You may say I'm downplaying it, you're right! I am because it is a minor thing!
It' s minor to you, it's not minor to me. I get to have that opinion, whether you like it or not.


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RE: Herpes - 9/12/2016 2:16:03 PM   
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To you, it might not be a big deal. But then again, what other choice do you have? To someone who doesnt have it, it's a big fucking deal. Quit minimizing it. Quit making it sound like it's nothing more than catching a cold or getting a splinter

He can't do that, can he? He'd lose his whining rights and have to stop playing the victim over this.

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RE: Herpes - 9/12/2016 2:22:34 PM   
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HSV and HPV are the two STIs you can have and never know it.
If you had ANY other STD you would definitely know it!!
So, throughout your life, did you alway practice safe sex? I highly doubt it.

Have ever been tested for herpes? You know for a fact you're " clean "?
Do you know for a fact that every person you had sexual contact in your entire life is "clean "?

The thing with herpes, like so many other things that you can catch or develop in your life.
It's a scary thing to think about what if I catch this or that.
From my perspective, living with herpes it IS such a MINOR thing that doesn't even come close to the stigma of having it.

You may say I'm downplaying it, you're right! I am because it is a minor thing!

Would it make a difference if I had Gonorrhea? It's curable right?

I am tested regularly.
And unlike where you get your checks done, a whole bunch of other stuff, including herpes is tested here.
Yes, I'm STI free.
And yes, every person I've had sex with is also STI free.

And as Danemora said, herpes is NOT, repeat definitely NOT something minor.
The likes of gonorrhea and syphilis can be cured - herpes can't.
If you catch herpes, you've got it for life.

So I think you are a fucking dipshit idiot for playing it down.
You are downright dangerous.
I think you should be put on a prohibited persons list: prohibited from touching anyone. Ever.


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RE: Herpes - 9/12/2016 2:25:51 PM   
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I am tested regularly.
And unlike where you get your checks done, a whole bunch of other stuff, including herpes is tested here.
Yes, I'm STI free.
And yes, every person I've had sex with is also STI free.

And as Danemora said, herpes is NOT, repeat definitely NOT something minor.
The likes of gonorrhea and syphilis can be cured - herpes can't.
If you catch herpes, you've got it for life.

So I think you are a fucking dipshit idiot for playing it down.
You are downright dangerous.

You were spot on up until this point.

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I think you should be put on a prohibited persons list: prohibited from touching anyone. Ever.

Then you went full retard.

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RE: Herpes - 9/12/2016 2:30:34 PM   
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I think it was well deserved considering OP's stance on herpes.

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RE: Herpes - 9/12/2016 2:54:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rush30

HSV and HPV are the two STIs you can have and never know it.
If you had ANY other STD you would definitely know it!!
So, throughout your life, did you alway practice safe sex? I highly doubt it.

Have ever been tested for herpes? You know for a fact you're " clean "?
Do you know for a fact that every person you had sexual contact in your entire life is "clean "?

The thing with herpes, like so many other things that you can catch or develop in your life.
It's a scary thing to think about what if I catch this or that.
From my perspective, living with herpes it IS such a MINOR thing that doesn't even come close to the stigma of having it.

You may say I'm downplaying it, you're right! I am because it is a minor thing!

Would it make a difference if I had Gonorrhea? It's curable right?



This showed up in the 'As the collar turns'. You know what, I have been tested, and I know that I am perfectly clean. However, thanks to two lying scum bags that is only by shear luck.

What you have is not minor at all. I don't have it, it's not curable, and even if it was I still don't want it. It's not something to play down. As I said in your other whinge fest thread, I don't have oral herpes either, so when family and friends have cold sores I don't touch them with a barge pole. Why on Earth would I want you anywhere near me with your cock? Why would I want that on my pussy?

Let me put this in to perspective for you; after my ex cheated on my for the first time he wasn't allowed near me with his cock for over three months until I went with him to get a full screening done. Then we waited for the results. Now why would I want you near me? The second time I knew he'd been back to her he was gone for good.

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RE: Herpes - 9/12/2016 3:07:40 PM   
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I am a transplant recipient and I'd HSV would have popped on my tests I am pretty sure, that I would not have the kidney I have today

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RE: Herpes - 9/12/2016 3:11:24 PM   
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Actually the any other STD you would know it thing is a farce.... When they did my work up they found I had syphilis.... Had it for years, never showed a symptom.... It didn't affect me in any way shape or form.... I had neurological testing done to see if it had affected my brain, and it did not fortunately... So I probably would never have known unless I had this work up done, as I don't give blood because I am diabetic.... The shots were not pleasant I will tell you that

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RE: Herpes - 9/12/2016 3:13:49 PM   
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Syphilis is harmless if left untreated? Really? I wish I knew how to post links on here

Oh wait http://www.nakedtruth.idaho.gov/syphilis.aspx

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RE: Herpes - 9/13/2016 12:57:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

I am tested regularly.
And unlike where you get your checks done, a whole bunch of other stuff, including herpes is tested here.


Only if you are showing symptoms for herpes. There is no routine test for genital herpes if you do not have signs or symptoms. You can have a blood test if you specifically ask for it but a doctor would be reluctant to do this because without an outbreak that test will probably give you a false negative. Also, there is no test to find out a person’s “HPV status” unless they have symptoms and a biopsy or cervical smear can be taken. HPV is much more common than herpes and the only symptoms of some strains of HPV may be cancer of the throat/mouth/cervix and labia.




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RE: Herpes - 9/13/2016 2:35:45 AM   
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I am tested regularly.
And unlike where you get your checks done, a whole bunch of other stuff, including herpes is tested here.


Only if you are showing symptoms for herpes. There is no routine test for genital herpes if you do not have signs or symptoms. You can have a blood test if you specifically ask for it but a doctor would be reluctant to do this because without an outbreak that test will probably give you a false negative.


I and my OH have regular blood tests for a variety of health reasons and they do include the whole range of STI's as well as herpes (because we always ask for it).


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RE: Herpes - 9/13/2016 2:46:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

I am tested regularly.
And unlike where you get your checks done, a whole bunch of other stuff, including herpes is tested here.


Only if you are showing symptoms for herpes. There is no routine test for genital herpes if you do not have signs or symptoms. You can have a blood test if you specifically ask for it but a doctor would be reluctant to do this because without an outbreak that test will probably give you a false negative.


I and my OH have regular blood tests for a variety of health reasons and they do include the whole range of STI's as well as herpes (because we always ask for it).



That may be so but a blood test for herpes can be anything but accurate and that's why they rarely offer it to people who are asymptomatic.

What about HPV?


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RE: Herpes - 9/13/2016 2:56:38 AM   
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Hers is done thru her regular screening (every 3 months).
I have to have something a bit like a toothbrush shoved up my ass (not pleasant) so I only have that done twice a year.

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RE: Herpes - 9/13/2016 4:14:53 AM   
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Many have unprotected sex - both young and old.
And a good majority of people DON'T have herpes.


I've already given my opinion of using facts to try to convince people to have risky sex.

However, battling it with misinformation is also fucked up.

It's estimated that between 70-85% of the population has one form of herpes or another in their lifetime. So, it's not a "good majority."

Now, one thing that is being discovered is that herpes is not a lifetime sentence anymore. Just as I was born with HSV1, but do not test positive for it anymore, even with blood work, which is the gold standard. Which is part of what got me researching and teaching about STIs to begin with, since people in the kink community know SO VERY LITTLE about their own risks.

Another fact is that if you have HSV1, or have had it (even when it's not in the bloodstream), it is nearly impossible to get HSV2. It confers some sort of immunity that even doctors don't understand.

So, there are many people who have a baseline resistance, almost immunity to HSV2, without even realizing they have one... A lot like the Chickepox virus we've all had (and don't get tested for).

So, please, by all means, call people out on trying to convince people to have sex with herpetics, just because.

Also, though, don't be a douche on the other side of the coin by spreading your own misinformation.


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HSV and HPV are the two STIs you can have and never know it.
If you had ANY other STD you would definitely know it!!


Stop. Seriously. Now, you're just making shit up. MANY people did not know they had syphilis, and died insane. So, uh, yeah.

In fact, most STIs can present without symptoms. That's why I get tested every 6 months, no matter what.

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ORIGINAL: Rush30

You may say I'm downplaying it, you're right! I am because it is a minor thing!


It's minor to YOU. You have it. You've come to terms with it.

And yet, it's not so minor. If people were turning you down for sex because you had brown eyes, and that was not their preference, would you REALLY be battling so hard to defend yourself?

No. Because although the physical impact of herpes is not great, the psychological impact is HUGE at this point in history.

And many people don't want to have to deal with that. PERIOD.

Stop trying to make them.

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RE: Herpes - 9/13/2016 4:44:38 AM   
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Hers is done thru her regular screening (every 3 months).
I have to have something a bit like a toothbrush shoved up my ass (not pleasant) so I only have that done twice a year.


If you do anal bareback with other men, I can see why you would want an anal pap twice a year but you can still pass on HPV in between being tested. You could be tested clear at the sixth month, contract HPV a month later and continue spreading HPV for the next five months.



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RE: Herpes - 9/13/2016 5:27:31 AM   
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Hers is done thru her regular screening (every 3 months).
I have to have something a bit like a toothbrush shoved up my ass (not pleasant) so I only have that done twice a year.


If you do anal bareback with other men,

I don't do sex with other men at all.

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ORIGINAL: MariaB
I can see why you would want an anal pap twice a year but you can still pass on HPV in between being tested.

That's why we are both tested regularly, as a matter of course.

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You could be tested clear at the sixth month, contract HPV a month later and continue spreading HPV for the next five months.

I know, and she is done every 3 months


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RE: Herpes - 9/13/2016 5:44:32 AM   
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Many have unprotected sex - both young and old.
And a good majority of people DON'T have herpes.


I've already given my opinion of using facts to try to convince people to have risky sex.

However, battling it with misinformation is also fucked up.

It's estimated that between 70-85% of the population has one form of herpes or another in their lifetime. So, it's not a "good majority."


Interesting you say that.

According to the CDC: Genital herpes is common in the United States. In the United States, about one out of every six people aged 14 to 49 years have genital herpes.

I'd say that 5 out of 6 not having it is a "good majority".

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Now, one thing that is being discovered is that herpes is not a lifetime sentence anymore.

Not according to my source (CDC): There is no cure for herpes. However, there are medicines that can prevent or shorten outbreaks.

There's a huge difference between stopping outbreaks and being cured.
If there's no cure, that makes it a lifetime sentence.

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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
So, please, by all means, call people out on trying to convince people to have sex with herpetics, just because.

Also, though, don't be a douche on the other side of the coin by spreading your own misinformation.


My info is backed up by no other than the CDC.
So I don't consider it misinformation.


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RE: Herpes - 9/13/2016 7:52:03 AM   
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HSV and HPV are the two STIs you can have and never know it.
If you had ANY other STD you would definitely know it!!
So, throughout your life, did you alway practice safe sex? I highly doubt it.

Asking people if they have always practiced safe sex, the possibilities that someone might lie to them about their status, bringing up what they might have done since their last test, etc are all strawman arguments. Nobody is saying none of those things can't happen, too. However, the underlying attempt of, "you could get it in other ways, so why not take the risk with someone that you know has it," just isn't going to be a compelling case.

I commend you on being honest with potential partners. I do. It's the only way for them to make an informed decision on whether or not they want to be involved with you. However, whatever they know or don't know about your infection from an educational standpoint, is inconsequential, because their decision gets to be theirs. It's not supposed to be they say no, so you're going to educated them more on the virus so they can be talked into say yes. It's almost starting to sound like coerced consent to me.

Earlier in the thread, you went with 'my kink isn't your kink (but your kink is ok)'. The premise of that is supposed to be other people get to engage in the kinks that they like, even if I don't like them. However, that doesn't mean that I have to be involved with kinks that I don't like. I still have the autonomy to make my own decisions on that, regardless of what I'm basing it on.

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Have ever been tested for herpes? You know for a fact you're " clean "?

Yes and yes.

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Do you know for a fact that every person you had sexual contact in your entire life is "clean "?

Again, you are throwing this out there, but it really doesn't matter. If I did sleep with someone in the past who either didn't tell me or weren't aware of their status, and I didn't acquire it, that just means I got lucky. It doesn't mean I have to roll the dice with the next person or increase my risks in some way because I've decided to engage with somebody that I definitely know has it.

You made the decision to become involved with your wife knowing her status. All cool for you. But you made that choice, right?

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The thing with herpes, like so many other things that you can catch or develop in your life.
It's a scary thing to think about what if I catch this or that.
From my perspective, living with herpes it IS such a MINOR thing that doesn't even come close to the stigma of having it.

Yet, minor is your perception. Let's take physical first.

You haven't gotten sick or had any outbreaks that you've talked about. That doesn't mean the person who would get it from you wouldn't. You did mention taking your anti-viral everyday, but that doesn't mean that the person who might catch it from you wouldn't get sick from the meds, themselves. We have several folks from the UK on the thread who have NHC. We're in the US. What's the financial cost for your script, doctor visits, and those things medically related? When those twenty dollar a month co-pays add up over a person's lifetime, you really are talking about thousands of dollars. Have you thought much about how insurance is vastly different among various people?

Even that is the easy stuff. You said it, yourself. The STIGMA of having it is worse. It would mean for the rest of my life having to disclose my status to every potential new partner, missing out on people who wouldn't play with me or willing to have relationships with me, having to change from having unprotected sex with my own husband, and everything else related to this area.

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You may say I'm downplaying it, you're right! I am because it is a minor thing!

Is this thread really making it sound like a 'minor' thing? Another poster said it. It's minor to you because you already have to deal with it. To other people who don't, it can be a big deal. Would I want to increase the chances of having to do a bunch of the things I've detailed thread that I just plain don't have to do today? No. I can (hopefully) avoid putting myself in that position by NOT taking on a partner that I know already has the condition that makes those things necessary.

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Would it make a difference if I had Gonorrhea? It's curable right?

No, I'm pretty sure that would matter, too.

This is also the crux of why some people, myself included, just aren't seeing this thread as the 'educational thing' that you are trying to present it as. Obviously, it's very emotional for you because it impacts your life how people see your status, so it's harder to just be factual.



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RE: Herpes - 9/13/2016 8:06:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
Hers is done thru her regular screening (every 3 months).
I have to have something a bit like a toothbrush shoved up my ass (not pleasant) so I only have that done twice a year.


If you do anal bareback with other men,

I don't do sex with other men at all.

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ORIGINAL: MariaB
I can see why you would want an anal pap twice a year but you can still pass on HPV in between being tested.

That's why we are both tested regularly, as a matter of course.

quote:

ORIGINAL: MariaB
You could be tested clear at the sixth month, contract HPV a month later and continue spreading HPV for the next five months.

I know, and she is done every 3 months



An anal Pap test is used to find cell changes or abnormal cells in men and women who have anal sex, so that's why I asked. If cell changes come back abnormal, then a biopsy can (but won't always) confirm high risk HPV. If it comes back normal, it means you don't have any cell changes but it doesn't mean you don't have HPV. If they could absolutely confirm a person does not have HPV, they would start inoculating those of us who show up negative. They don't and can't because the testing is too inaccurate.

I am getting over cancer of the vulvar. I had three biopsies that all came back negative for HPV. I had a pap smear which also came back negative for cell change or HPV. I've never had a wart but then high risk HPV is usually asymptomatic until cell change is discovered. My doctor refuses to say categorically that I don't or at some point in my past, didn’t have HPV. All I know is, its uncommon to get cancer of the vulvar without ever having had HPV.

Why is your Mrs tested so often for cell changes?


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RE: Herpes - 9/13/2016 9:59:37 AM   
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I was tested for everything before having surgery for cancer. (Every time, actually)

I actually had cervical cancer (clear cell adenocarcinoma) that was not caused by HPV, but instead by a drug they gave my mother when she was pregnant with me (DES). The only advantage I had was that they knew I was a DES baby and watched me closely, so we caught it very quickly

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