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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/5/2017 5:53:53 AM   
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This link goes to the manufacturer of the latest, state of the art, cremation equipment.

http://www.uscremationequipment.com/products/human-cremation/

Their best model can process up to 20 bodies per day or 10,950 for the eighteen month period during which teh ebuul Germans supposedly cremated the ridiculously claimed 6 million 'jews'.

Teh ebuul Germans would have required 548 of these high tech machines running 24/7 without ANY stoppage for the whole eighteen month period to process the numbers claimed. Clearly a ridiculous claim when bearing in mind that teh ebuul Germans didn't have today's latest high tech, top of the range crematoria to work with but 1930s tech converted pizza ovens - far less efficient. They simply didn't have enough ovens.

According to jewipedia itself They had only 66 requiring a throughput of 90,909 EACH even allowing for a throughput equal to the latest, state of the art crematoria it would have taken teh ebuul Germans 4545 days, TWELVE and a half years running 24 hours EVERY day without a single break for maintenance, cleaning or repairs. To be done by 1945 teh ebuul Germans needed to have started this nonsensical enterprise in 1933.

Yeah, nah.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topf_and_Sons




Instead of your irrelevant stuff:

here is the link to the original maufacturers:

http://www.topfundsoehne.de/cms-www/index.php?id=75&l=1

And your point is...?



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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/5/2017 6:26:11 AM   
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This link goes to the manufacturer of the latest, state of the art, cremation equipment.

http://www.uscremationequipment.com/products/human-cremation/

Their best model can process up to 20 bodies per day or 10,950 for the eighteen month period during which teh ebuul Germans supposedly cremated the ridiculously claimed 6 million 'jews'.

Teh ebuul Germans would have required 548 of these high tech machines running 24/7 without ANY stoppage for the whole eighteen month period to process the numbers claimed. Clearly a ridiculous claim when bearing in mind that teh ebuul Germans didn't have today's latest high tech, top of the range crematoria to work with but 1930s tech converted pizza ovens - far less efficient. They simply didn't have enough ovens.

According to jewipedia itself They had only 66 requiring a throughput of 90,909 EACH even allowing for a throughput equal to the latest, state of the art crematoria it would have taken teh ebuul Germans 4545 days, TWELVE and a half years running 24 hours EVERY day without a single break for maintenance, cleaning or repairs. To be done by 1945 teh ebuul Germans needed to have started this nonsensical enterprise in 1933.

Yeah, nah.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topf_and_Sons


Incorrect.

The Cremation devices you've pointed out are advertised to process 1 body in a wooden coffin at a time. Unless if you're implying that the Germans placed each body in an equally sized wooden coffin.... using the advertised processing rate as any sort of standard is borderline incompetent. Instead of working off the advertised rate - Maybe you should look at the Weight limitations of each of the models and the length of time of one burn cycle. Compare them to the average weight of a concentration camp victim (malnourished individual) and math it out again... How many bodies can be processed in a single day, how many in an 18 month period?

Please Try again, and be less stupid this time.

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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/5/2017 6:54:05 AM   
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Please Try again, and be less stupid this time.


What else would you like santa to bring you for christmass???a new tesla??

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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/5/2017 7:31:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Curmudgeonly1


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ORIGINAL: blnymph


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This link goes to the manufacturer of the latest, state of the art, cremation equipment.

http://www.uscremationequipment.com/products/human-cremation/

Their best model can process up to 20 bodies per day or 10,950 for the eighteen month period during which teh ebuul Germans supposedly cremated the ridiculously claimed 6 million 'jews'.
...


Instead of your irrelevant stuff:

here is the link to the original maufacturers:

http://www.topfundsoehne.de/cms-www/index.php?id=75&l=1

And your point is...?




That your "calculations" and "state of the art" nonsense is completely irrelevant when original sources (of which you obviously know nothing) exist.


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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/5/2017 8:07:10 AM   
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Put up or shut up.



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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/5/2017 8:16:51 AM   
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Put up or shut up.




If your intelligence were sufficient to click and read the Topf & Söhne page you might have noticed by yourself that their archive is preserved in the Thüringische Hauptstaatsarchiv in Weimar.

Easy solution: Move your arse there and look for yourself.

Until then take your own motto to your heart: the one about Dummheit ...

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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/5/2017 9:34:41 AM   
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I blame myself for thinking, albeit fleetingly, that one of you might be capable of rational thought.

My bad.



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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/5/2017 10:20:19 AM   
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Put up or shut up.

I cited your own sources as proving your ignorance.
Don't you even read the shit you post?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/5/2017 10:27:36 AM   
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I blame myself for thinking, albeit fleetingly,

Assumes facts not in evidence.




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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/5/2017 3:03:50 PM   
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No, you didn't. You used assumptions to try to score some juvenile school yard points.

Try putting forward an actual rebuttal to my argument.

You know, like a grown up would.



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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/5/2017 3:32:35 PM   
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I blame myself for thinking, albeit fleetingly, that one of you might be capable of rational thought.

My bad.



raional thought is easy to come by you are not using any.

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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/5/2017 3:36:10 PM   
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No, you didn't. You used assumptions to try to score some juvenile school yard points.

Try putting forward an actual rebuttal to my argument.

You know, like a grown up would.




What you're not going to do the math and see how many bodies those Creators could actually handle based on weight and volume capacity?
Just going to blindly stick to that '20 bodies a day' value even though it is laughably wrong?


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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/5/2017 4:18:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Curmudgeonly1

No, you didn't. You used assumptions to try to score some juvenile school yard points.

Try putting forward an actual rebuttal to my argument.

You know, like a grown up would.




What you're not going to do the math and see how many bodies those Creators could actually handle based on weight and volume capacity?
Just going to blindly stick to that '20 bodies a day' value even though it is laughably wrong?



I presented a thesis based on the latest, state of the art crematoria performance.

If you don't like that show your rebuttal argument. Demonstrate the performance data for 1930s tech converted pizza ovens. The blackboard is yours. I'm all agog.

But don't ask someone to 'disprove' their own argument because you don't want to accept the truth. That's just the silly sort of thing notterclue would say. Please be better than that..

Hell, are you even old enough to be on a grown ups site?



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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/5/2017 5:12:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Curmudgeonly1


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ORIGINAL: InfoMan


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ORIGINAL: Curmudgeonly1

No, you didn't. You used assumptions to try to score some juvenile school yard points.

Try putting forward an actual rebuttal to my argument.

You know, like a grown up would.




What you're not going to do the math and see how many bodies those Creators could actually handle based on weight and volume capacity?
Just going to blindly stick to that '20 bodies a day' value even though it is laughably wrong?



I presented a thesis based on the latest, state of the art crematoria performance.

If you don't like that show your rebuttal argument. Demonstrate the performance data for 1930s tech converted pizza ovens. The blackboard is yours. I'm all agog.

But don't ask someone to 'disprove' their own argument because you don't want to accept the truth. That's just the silly sort of thing notterclue would say. Please be better than that..

Hell, are you even old enough to be on a grown ups site?




i Provided a clear counter argument based on your lack of observational skills on the crematoria devices presented, I will also further state that you cannot compare standard body disposal to Mass Body Disposal.

But because you refuse to do it - here i'll point out the Flaw in your little 'latest, state of the art crematoria performance' thesis...

http://uscremationequipment.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Classic-Comparison-US-Metric-121712.pdf

The dimensions of the cremation Chamber is approx 14 feet long x 6 feet wide x 10 feet tall.

Now if we look at the average Human Dimensions (as provided by Harvard University)
https://www.fas.harvard.edu/~loebinfo/loebinfo/Proportions/humanfigure.html

If we round up to the nearest half foot.
A human body will take a 1x1.5x6 foot space

Now, Are you going to continue to stand by the idea that a 14x6x10 foot cremation chamber is only capable of rendering a single 1x1.5x6 foot human body once every hour and change? That is a Horribly inefficient way to process a body for such a 'state of the art crematoria performance' device... And you want to know who agrees with that?

Modern Crematoriums.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-465703/Bodies-cremated-time-save-money.html

Many Crematoriums which handle high volume have began to cremate multiple bodies at a time as a cost cutting measure.
Doing this alone would triple the value you presented - with 20 bodies/day jumping to 50-60 bodies/day

Stepping away from simple cost cutting measure...
What if we go with mass Cremation?

FEMA already has in place protocol for mass cremation in the case of the outbreak of a highly contagious disease which requires the dead to be cremated, such as with cases of Ebola. The Disaster Mortuary Operational Response Team (DMORT) advises that cremation chambers run at 80% capacity as needed to help process the bodies in of a mass casualty event in which a biological weapon which demands cremation is present.

Meaning that the Largest Cremation Chamber described would render either 960 pounds or 670 cubic feet of human remains per cycle.

With the average human weighing 130 lbs - you would process 9 bodies per cycle, with 10-15 cycles in a day.
Reducing 90-135 bodies down to ash a day.

a far cry from your '20 a day!' claim earlier.

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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/5/2017 5:44:54 PM   
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I presented a thesis based on the latest, state of the art crematoria performance.

If you don't like that show your rebuttal argument. Demonstrate the performance data for 1930s tech converted pizza ovens. The blackboard is yours. I'm all agog.

This was in the link you posted earlier. Don't you even read the shit you post?
From your link:


"80,000 Cremation Capacity Per Month Not Sufficient for Auschwitz - New Document
Introduction
The document transcribed and translated below has been provided to The Holocaust History Project by Dr. Bernhard Post of the Thüringisches Hauptstaatsarchiv in Germany. It has only recently become available.

It is an internal memo by Kurt Prüfer, an employee of Topf and Sons, a company that built cremation furnaces. Prüfer was the builder of the Auschwitz cremation furnaces. In this memo, which is labeled "secret" and "confidential", Prüfer recounts a conversation he just had with First Lieutenant Krone of the Works and Buildings Section of the Economics and Administration Department (Wirtschafts- und Verwaltungshauptamt, commonly referred to as WVHA) about Auschwitz's cremation needs.

Krone has informed Prüfer that he has met with Brigadier General Kammler (misspelled in the memo as Kämmer), who headed the Works and Buildings Section of WVHA. Kammler is well known in Holocaust historiography as the recipient of a letter dated January 29, 1943 from the head of the Auschwitz Central Construction Agency stating that there was a "gassing cellar" in a building known as "Crematoria II" in Auschwitz.

Prüfer relates that he has told Krone, who has just returned from Auschwitz, that the camp can be provided with enough cremation muffles to bring the cremation capacity up to 2650 per day, or 80,000 per month. However, Prüfer notes: "Mr. K said that this number of muffles is not yet sufficient; we should deliver more ovens as quickly as possible."

Thus, Prüfer has been informed by the Third Reich's Buildings' section that a cremation capacity of slightly less than 1 million per year is not enough for Auschwitz's needs! This is the first document which has emerged before the building of 46 ovens in four crematoria in the Birkenau section of the camp (there were already six ovens in the Auschwitz main camp) which gives a true picture of the homicidal nature of Auschwitz from the perspective of how the SS in Berlin viewed the camp's real cremation needs. The memo categorically refutes Holocaust deniers who claim that the Auschwitz crematoria were merely used for normal sanitary purposes. No denier has ever claimed that normal sanitation would require such an extraordinary cremation capacity. At the time the memo was written, gassing victims were burned in outdoor areas near two provisional gas chambers.

This memo is dated September 8, 1942 and should be read in accordance with two other contemporaneous documents relating to Auschwitz from the same period. The first is dated August 21, 1942 where Prüfer is mentioned in relation to ovens needed because of "bathing installations for special actions". The bathing installations were homicidal gas chambers disguised as showers. At the time, two buildings that lay outside of the camp had been converted into gas chambers. Some months later the phony showers were moved into the crematoria after those buildings were completed.

The second key document dealing with the "special actions" is a diary kept by Auschwitz camp physician Dr. Johann Paul Kremer. On September 2, 1942 he wrote: "For the first time, at 3:00 A.M. outside, attended a special action. Dante's Inferno seems to me almost a comedy compared to this. They don't call Auschwitz the camp of annihilation for nothing!" Kremer recorded 12 additional special actions at which he was present before leaving Auschwitz on November 18, 1942. (Relevant entries are in KL Auschwitz Seen by the SS, published by the Auschwitz State Museum) During this period, there were many other "special actions" at which he was not present."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topf_and_Sons

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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/5/2017 11:59:13 PM   
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NO! NO! NO!

How amny times do you need to be told - The lie has to be simple. It's no good piling up the suggestion, innuendo and empty rhetoric. Even the stupid goyim aren't going to be taken in by a "memo" the provenance for which we rely on a 'jew' run holohoax revisionist tool.

Where is the evidence for these 'super' ovens? Oh, there isn't any. Refer to the pics on the jewipedia link. Nothing super about those converted pizza ovens is there?

Where are your calculations? What are the verifiable performance figures for these mythical 'super' ovens.

C+ for effort though.



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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/6/2017 1:01:36 AM   
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NO! NO! NO!



It is from the cite you referenced to make your point.
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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/6/2017 2:03:08 AM   
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Thanks for participating, anyway.

Hillary is proud of you.



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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/6/2017 6:42:51 AM   
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Thanks for participating, anyway.


It is from the cite you referenced to make your point.
Yaw welcum cuz.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid

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RE: A Moment of Silence in Memory of The Holocaust - 3/6/2017 9:07:11 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Curmudgeonly1

I presented a thesis based on the latest, state of the art crematoria performance.

If you don't like that show your rebuttal argument. Demonstrate the performance data for 1930s tech converted pizza ovens. The blackboard is yours. I'm all agog.

This was in the link you posted earlier. Don't you even read the shit you post?
From your link:


"80,000 Cremation Capacity Per Month Not Sufficient for Auschwitz - New Document
Introduction
The document transcribed and translated below has been provided to The Holocaust History Project by Dr. Bernhard Post of the Thüringisches Hauptstaatsarchiv in Germany. It has only recently become available.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topf_and_Sons



thats quite the conspiracy theory you have there tommy, you gone full nutter on us?

FROM THE SAME LINK the part you forgot to post



Topf and Sons
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
J.A. Topf und Söhne
J.A. Topf and Sons
ASchreiben Prüfer an Topf EinäscherungsofenAuschwitz.jpg
Original letter from Topf & Sons to Heinrich Himmler dated 8 September 1942, about the required furnaces and their capacity.
Auschwitz-Birkenau, Buchenwald, Belzec, Dachau, Mauthausen and Gusen

J.A. Topf and Sons (German: J.A. Topf und Söhne) was a German engineering company, which designed and built the incineration furnaces (crematoria) used by the Germans at concentration and extermination camps during the Holocaust; including Auschwitz-Birkenau, Buchenwald, Belzec, Dachau, Mauthausen and Gusen. In total, Topf built 66 coal-fired muffle furnaces for cremation at various camps; of which 46 operated at Auschwitz alone.[1]

In 1939, following a massive outbreak of typhus in Buchenwald, Topf and Sons were contacted by Nazi party officials seeking an answer for dealing with the large numbers of dead left in the wake of this outbreak. Topf & Sons placed a mobile incineration oven at the camp’s disposal. The device was comparable to an oven type used in agriculture for the incineration of animal carcasses and already in the company’s product range.

so tell us more about your conspiracy theory.


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