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Real0ne -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/8/2017 10:50:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka If you got a divorce you could never remarry or be with any other person again. Women can never 'rule over' men (so much for equal opportunity). You could own slaves, and the slaves should be very obedient. Homosexuality, fornication, masturbation... nope nope nope. Same with Islam. A woman's fate is 101% in a man's hands. So no difference there. Islam definitely supported slavery too. The only difference is the degree of violent punishment for going against the religious laws. Better of the worst? I mean if you think Muslim women have more control just because they can remarry after being divorce, you gotta be kidding. The reason why divorce is allowed in Islam is so that men can easily cast away their woman by simply uttering, 'I divorce you" 3 times infront of 2 witnesses. And easily marry more, as and when they like. Since all women are financially dependent on them, all women are at their mercy. At least Christians don't have specific divorce laws for pre-puberscent women. The fact that Islam set up clear well defined divorce laws for pre-puberscent women, tells me, ALOT of pre-puberscent women got divorced after they deflowered them. I should call them babies really, not women. The Quranic rules of marriage and divorce provided a fixed set of norms for all Muslims, backed by divine authority and enforced by the community.[3] The early Islamic reforms included giving the wife a possibility to initiate divorce, abrogation of the husband's claim to his wife's property, condemnation of divorce without compelling reason, criminalizing unfounded claims of infidelity made by the husband, and institution of financial responsibilities of the husband toward his divorced wife.[1] The subject of divorce is addressed in four different surahs of the Quran, including the general principle articulated in 2:231:[1] If you divorce women, and they reach their appointed term, hold them back in amity or let them go in amity. Do not hold them back out of malice, to be vindictive. Whoso does this does himself injustice". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_in_Islam

Real0ne -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/8/2017 10:55:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Jesus said that anyone who is angry with someone is subject to judgement the same as a murderer . (Matthew 5:21-22) Jesus said anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has committed adultery... if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out.... if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off. (Matthew 5:27-30) ... so i guess a Christian theocracy would involve alot of self mutilation. yeh when you are angry wth someone people vreate a trial when they try to help work through it, and in order to do that you are subject to judgement not too much different than a murder trial the actions follow the thought, hence the lust.

tamaka -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/8/2017 10:56:48 PM)
Jesus said that any man who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adultress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery. So if you get divorced, you're screwed.

tamaka -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/8/2017 10:59:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Jesus said that anyone who is angry with someone is subject to judgement the same as a murderer . (Matthew 5:21-22) Jesus said anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has committed adultery... if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out.... if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off. (Matthew 5:27-30) ... so i guess a Christian theocracy would involve alot of self mutilation. yeh when you are angry wth someone people vreate a trial when they try to help work through it, and in order to do that you are subject to judgement not too much different than a murder trial the actions follow the thought, hence the lust. Nope... he didn't say anything about action. He said if you look at her lustfully you've already committed adultery in his heart... and Jesus said he should gouge out his eye.

Real0ne -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/8/2017 11:02:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Jesus said if someone strikes your face, turn your cheek and let him strike the other side. (No mention of rehabilitation there!) If someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well).... just give them everything. that was a different world than the dog eat dog shit we live in today. when my grandparents were young, on the farm, the indians would see they had 2 chunks of butter they would simply help themseves to one because they needed it. Now that does not apply in the same way that love your enemies applies in biblical times but it does show the huge difference in general quality of society then v now.

Real0ne -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/8/2017 11:03:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Jesus said that anyone who is angry with someone is subject to judgement the same as a murderer . (Matthew 5:21-22) Jesus said anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has committed adultery... if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out.... if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off. (Matthew 5:27-30) ... so i guess a Christian theocracy would involve alot of self mutilation. yeh when you are angry wth someone people vreate a trial when they try to help work through it, and in order to do that you are subject to judgement not too much different than a murder trial the actions follow the thought, hence the lust. Nope... he didn't say anything about action. He said if you look at her lustfully you've already committed adultery in his heart... and Jesus said he should gouge out his eye. I am not saying that he said anything about action, I gave you the part of the reason for his saying that you have already commited adultry in your heart. this takes the moral value up a notch. allegorically gouge out his eye.

tamaka -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/8/2017 11:07:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Jesus said that anyone who is angry with someone is subject to judgement the same as a murderer . (Matthew 5:21-22) Jesus said anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has committed adultery... if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out.... if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off. (Matthew 5:27-30) ... so i guess a Christian theocracy would involve alot of self mutilation. yeh when you are angry wth someone people vreate a trial when they try to help work through it, and in order to do that you are subject to judgement not too much different than a murder trial the actions follow the thought, hence the lust. Nope... he didn't say anything about action. He said if you look at her lustfully you've already committed adultery in his heart... and Jesus said he should gouge out his eye. I am not saying that he said anything about action, I gave you the reason for his saying that you have already commited adultry in your heart. I see. Jesus was not all soft and easy like everyone likes to think. In fact he was stricter in that he said he didn't come to abolish the law but to fulfill it... immediately followed by taking the rules/commandments of the Old Testament even further. Under the Old Testament it was only sin if you committed actual acts. Under Jesus, just having the wrong heart (anger= murder, looking with lust=adultery) etc was sin.

Real0ne -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/8/2017 11:14:07 PM)
not so, you are going way off the deep end and over the cliff. that is about judgement. in a murder trial all the details come out and are laid on the table to be judged. when someone is an asshole to someone else all those details come out and are laid out on the table when they whine to their best friend about it and the best friend make a judgment in the same 'style' (though not formal), as one would in a murder trial. think of it like 1st 2nd and 3rd degree adultry Try to drive between the lines! I dont really get into giving bible lessens lol

tamaka -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/8/2017 11:22:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne not so, you are going way off the deep end and over the cliff. that is about judgement. in a murder trial all the details come out and are laid on the table to be judged. when someone is an asshole to someone else all those details come out and are laid out on the table when they whine to their best friend about it and the best friend make a judgment in the same 'style' (though not formal), as one would in a murder trial. think of it like 1st 2nd and 3rd degree adultry Try to drive between the lines! I dont really get into giving bible lessens lol Exactly and Jesus is judging someone who holds a heart full of anger toward his brother as being just as guilty as a murderer. Jesus's sense of judgement is more than just the actions a person takes but also what they harbor in their heart and mind. Thinking and feeling 'wrongly' is just as bad as taking a wrong action on those thoughts and feelings. So Jesus was more strict than the OT in terms of guilt vs innocence.

Greta75 -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/9/2017 12:09:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Jesus said if someone strikes your face, turn your cheek and let him strike the other side. (No mention of rehabilitation there!) If someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well).... just give them everything. Precisely. Jesus world is all about supreme kindness. Don't hurt anybody! In his world, you may suffer on earth by these bad people taking advantage of you, but your reward for being good will be in heaven, and leaving punishment up to God to melt out on these bad people. That's why he will be a benevolent ruler. I get it that good guys will always be taken advantage of by bad guys. But we are talking about better of the worst. Are you saying Tamaka, base on all these things. You will prefer to live under Sharia law? If it comes down to these type of 2 choices. I sense that your issue now is that, in Jesus world, there may not be justice melted out on earth to criminals, due to his propensity to turn the other cheek.

Greta75 -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/9/2017 12:14:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka So Jesus was more strict than the OT in terms of guilt vs innocence. I think Jesus is very strict to judge what is guilty. Because he has the capability to lift the sin from people. The whole point of him is so that people can go to heaven right? Despite having have sinned?

Greta75 -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/9/2017 12:16:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Jesus said that anyone who is angry with someone is subject to judgement the same as a murderer . (Matthew 5:21-22) Jesus said anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has committed adultery... if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out.... if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off. (Matthew 5:27-30) ... so i guess a Christian theocracy would involve alot of self mutilation. I highly doubt Jesus meant it literally. As he loves to tell alot of stories too that are allegory. But even in worst case scenario that these were taken literally and there were his faithful subjects who would literally gouge their own eyes out or judged themselves guilty. In a world like that, people are hurting themselves rather than hurting others. Over all, more peaceful than Muhammad's universe.

tamaka -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/9/2017 1:08:28 AM)
My point is that if you think the Muslim religion is much different then the Christian religion in terms of what is considered right and wrong, think again. If the Christian religion became the 'Law of the Land' enforced by legal laws and associated punishments, it wouldn't be much different... and it could even be worse if you want to start punishing men for looking lustfully at another woman. Christianity subjugates women under men, allows for slavery, makes sex illegal unless it is with your wife/husband, homosexuality is out, etc. If you are a Christian, you would lose all of your rights to self-protection from non-Christians (the non-Christians can beat you, steal from you, sue you for everything you have... and you have no recourse.) It takes away your right to your day in court with Christians (work it out yourselves) or non-Christians (take your beating and let him take your stuff). That is just some of the highlights. So no, I'm not saying i want to live under Sharia Law but i am saying don't think that living under Christian law would be great either.

Real0ne -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/9/2017 1:20:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne not so, you are going way off the deep end and over the cliff. that is about judgement. in a murder trial all the details come out and are laid on the table to be judged. when someone is an asshole to someone else all those details come out and are laid out on the table when they whine to their best friend about it and the best friend make a judgment in the same 'style' (though not formal), as one would in a murder trial. think of it like 1st 2nd and 3rd degree adultry Try to drive between the lines! I dont really get into giving bible lessens lol Exactly and Jesus is judging someone who holds a heart full of anger toward his brother as being just as guilty as a murderer. Jesus's sense of judgement is more than just the actions a person takes but also what they harbor in their heart and mind. Thinking and feeling 'wrongly' is just as bad as taking a wrong action on those thoughts and feelings. So Jesus was more strict than the OT in terms of guilt vs innocence. just as guilty doesnt make sense. its either guilty or not guilty, its binary. Yes that is where you get intent from. No, thats wrong, nonaction bears no 'physical' penalty. These sayings came about as a result of sparing matches so they must be taken in context. The point is being judged or not being judged not being judged with the same penalty as a murder or in the same light as a murderer.

Greta75 -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/9/2017 1:23:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka My point is that if you think the Muslim religion is much different then the Christian religion in terms of what is considered right and wrong, think again. If the Christian religion became the 'Law of the Land' enforced by legal laws and associated punishments, it wouldn't be much different... and it could even be worse if you want to start punishing men for looking lustfully at another woman. Christianity subjugates women under men, allows for slavery, makes sex illegal unless it is with your wife/husband, homosexuality is out, etc. If you are a Christian, you would lose all of your rights to self-protection from non-Christians (the non-Christians can beat you, steal from you, sue you for everything you have... and you have no recourse.) It takes away your right to your day in court with Christians (work it out yourselves) or non-Christians (take your beating and let him take your stuff). That is just some of the highlights. So no, I'm not saying i want to live under Sharia Law but i am saying don't think that living under Christian law would be great either. Again, you are mixing old testament to new testament. To me, a man who protects a prostitute from being stoned. Someone who would be seen as lowest hierarchy during that time. Is not gonna be all these things you talk about. And as I said, since Jesus was never into governing. He was just a wanderer going around spreading message, more like a priest or something. So we never really get to hear about what he would do if he was governing to keep the peace and order. But base on his character of protecting the weak. He is gonna be a more humane leader than Muhammad for sure. Muhammad looks for weakness to exploit. Jesus will want to protects the weak and poor and sick.

Real0ne -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/9/2017 1:24:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka My point is that if you think the Muslim religion is much different then the Christian religion in terms of what is considered right and wrong, think again. If the Christian religion became the 'Law of the Land' enforced by legal laws and associated punishments, it wouldn't be much different... and it could even be worse if you want to start punishing men for looking lustfully at another woman. Christianity subjugates women under men, allows for slavery, makes sex illegal unless it is with your wife/husband, homosexuality is out, etc. If you are a Christian, you would lose all of your rights to self-protection from non-Christians (the non-Christians can beat you, steal from you, sue you for everything you have... and you have no recourse.) It takes away your right to your day in court with Christians (work it out yourselves) or non-Christians (take your beating and let him take your stuff). That is just some of the highlights. So no, I'm not saying i want to live under Sharia Law but i am saying don't think that living under Christian law would be great either. Could be worse, gubmint tells you how long your lawn has to be, what color you can paint your house and you dont complain about 'US law'. Just because you decide that there would be a theocracy does not mean every principle has to carry the death penalty. if you want to start punishing men for looking lustfully at another woman um prove it LOL what about living under law that says you will get tossed in jail for practicing polygamy? 'US Law' what religion is that :)

Greta75 -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/9/2017 1:30:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Jesus said that any man who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adultress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery. So if you get divorced, you're screwed. In Islam, you don't even need to get married or divorced to get screwed. You simply need to be caught being in the vicinity of a man that you are unmarried to him, or IF he is neither your husband/brother/father, and you're screwed for committing adultery. So if Jesus simply says, you can't marry again. But he said nothing about not being able to have sex after divorce right? Lol, I just find it funny too. In a way, this will make people carefully choose their life partner. Since they only get one chance at marriage. With Muslims, it's marry and throw, marry and throw. Multiple wives. Also the interesting part of Islamic law is, I don't know if they treat sex as like they think any Muslim woman who are forced to marry them lust for them in bed or what. But one of the punishment is to deprive your wife of sex, IF she was disobedient. And too bad the other measure is beating the crap out of her, otherwise, if they can just stop at refusing sex, many women will keep misbehaving so that they will not get sexual attention from the husband they never chose for themselves.

Greta75 -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/9/2017 1:36:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne what about living under law that says you will get tossed in jail for practicing polygamy? 'US Law' what religion is that :) Is polygamy really a jailable offense in the US? How do those Mormons survive? They got the multiple wives going big time! Over here, you just turn Muslim and you will be fine. It's legal for Muslims to have up to 4 wives legally and you can have all your marriage registered officially.

tamaka -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/9/2017 1:49:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka My point is that if you think the Muslim religion is much different then the Christian religion in terms of what is considered right and wrong, think again. If the Christian religion became the 'Law of the Land' enforced by legal laws and associated punishments, it wouldn't be much different... and it could even be worse if you want to start punishing men for looking lustfully at another woman. Christianity subjugates women under men, allows for slavery, makes sex illegal unless it is with your wife/husband, homosexuality is out, etc. If you are a Christian, you would lose all of your rights to self-protection from non-Christians (the non-Christians can beat you, steal from you, sue you for everything you have... and you have no recourse.) It takes away your right to your day in court with Christians (work it out yourselves) or non-Christians (take your beating and let him take your stuff). That is just some of the highlights. So no, I'm not saying i want to live under Sharia Law but i am saying don't think that living under Christian law would be great either. Again, you are mixing old testament to new testament. To me, a man who protects a prostitute from being stoned. Someone who would be seen as lowest hierarchy during that time. Is not gonna be all these things you talk about. And as I said, since Jesus was never into governing. He was just a wanderer going around spreading message, more like a priest or something. So we never really get to hear about what he would do if he was governing to keep the peace and order. But base on his character of protecting the weak. He is gonna be a more humane leader than Muhammad for sure. Muhammad looks for weakness to exploit. Jesus will want to protects the weak and poor and sick. No dear I'm not mixing the Old and New Testament. Everything i wrote was from the New Testament. And what i wrote were the words that Jesus actually said. Try reading the book of Matthew sometime.

WickedsDesire -> RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam (2/9/2017 1:50:41 AM)
Behold your christian god(s) "Behold, I, even I am bringing the flood of water upon the earth, to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life, from under heaven; everything that is on the earth shall perish. Trumpantaloon is mentioned in the Book of Revelations - not that the utter nutter knows the difference between two Corinthians and Second Corinthians on account of him being fuking dense - the quote? forgotten about it already? - well here it is again :) He said: "I hear this is a major theme right here, Two Corinthians, 3:17 that's the whole ball game..." All that does is show the brain poverty of anyone who enabled that– Republicans! You don’t say.

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