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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/9/2017 1:54:01 AM   
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Jesus said that any man who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adultress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.

So if you get divorced, you're screwed.


In Islam, you don't even need to get married or divorced to get screwed.

You simply need to be caught being in the vicinity of a man that you are unmarried to him, or IF he is neither your husband/brother/father, and you're screwed for committing adultery.

So if Jesus simply says, you can't marry again. But he said nothing about not being able to have sex after divorce right?

Lol, I just find it funny too. In a way, this will make people carefully choose their life partner. Since they only get one chance at marriage.

With Muslims, it's marry and throw, marry and throw. Multiple wives.

Also the interesting part of Islamic law is, I don't know if they treat sex as like they think any Muslim woman who are forced to marry them lust for them in bed or what.

But one of the punishment is to deprive your wife of sex, IF she was disobedient. And too bad the other measure is beating the crap out of her, otherwise, if they can just stop at refusing sex, many women will keep misbehaving so that they will not get sexual attention from the husband they never chose for themselves.




Omg Greta. Yes Jesus said after you're divorced you can't have sex with anyone. If you do, you are committing adultrey. That is why the Catholic Church doesn't let divorced people who re-marry take communion. Even though they are remarried, in the eyes of the Church they are committing adultrey.

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/9/2017 1:55:01 AM   
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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/9/2017 1:56:24 AM   
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Jesus said that any man who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adultress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.

So if you get divorced, you're screwed.


In Islam, you don't even need to get married or divorced to get screwed.

You simply need to be caught being in the vicinity of a man that you are unmarried to him, or IF he is neither your husband/brother/father, and you're screwed for committing adultery.

So if Jesus simply says, you can't marry again. But he said nothing about not being able to have sex after divorce right?

Lol, I just find it funny too. In a way, this will make people carefully choose their life partner. Since they only get one chance at marriage.

With Muslims, it's marry and throw, marry and throw. Multiple wives.

Also the interesting part of Islamic law is, I don't know if they treat sex as like they think any Muslim woman who are forced to marry them lust for them in bed or what.

But one of the punishment is to deprive your wife of sex, IF she was disobedient. And too bad the other measure is beating the crap out of her, otherwise, if they can just stop at refusing sex, many women will keep misbehaving so that they will not get sexual attention from the husband they never chose for themselves.




Omg Greta. Yes Jesus said after you're divorced you can't have sex with anyone. If you do, you are committing adultrey. That is why the Catholic Church doesn't let divorced people who re-marry take communion. Even though they are remarried, in the eyes of the Church they are committing adultrey.




so its already law and no thumb screws?

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/9/2017 1:59:12 AM   
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My point is that if you think the Muslim religion is much different then the Christian religion in terms of what is considered right and wrong, think again. If the Christian religion became the 'Law of the Land' enforced by legal laws and associated punishments, it wouldn't be much different... and it could even be worse if you want to start punishing men for looking lustfully at another woman. Christianity subjugates women under men, allows for slavery, makes sex illegal unless it is with your wife/husband, homosexuality is out, etc. If you are a Christian, you would lose all of your rights to self-protection from non-Christians (the non-Christians can beat you, steal from you, sue you for everything you have... and you have no recourse.) It takes away your right to your day in court with Christians (work it out yourselves) or non-Christians (take your beating and let him take your stuff). That is just some of the highlights. So no, I'm not saying i want to live under Sharia Law but i am saying don't think that living under Christian law would be great either.





Could be worse, gubmint tells you how long your lawn has to be, what color you can paint your house and you dont complain about 'US law'.

Just because you decide that there would be a theocracy does not mean every principle has to carry the death penalty.

if you want to start punishing men for looking lustfully at another woman


um prove it LOL


what about living under law that says you will get tossed in jail for practicing polygamy? 'US Law' what religion is that :)







Well since women would be subjugated under men instead of having men worry themselves about possibly looking lustfully at a woman, i guess it would be easier to pass a law that requires women to cover themselves in public... sound familiar?

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/9/2017 2:01:07 AM   
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Jesus said that any man who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, causes her to become an adultress, and anyone who marries the divorced woman commits adultery.

So if you get divorced, you're screwed.


In Islam, you don't even need to get married or divorced to get screwed.

You simply need to be caught being in the vicinity of a man that you are unmarried to him, or IF he is neither your husband/brother/father, and you're screwed for committing adultery.

So if Jesus simply says, you can't marry again. But he said nothing about not being able to have sex after divorce right?

Lol, I just find it funny too. In a way, this will make people carefully choose their life partner. Since they only get one chance at marriage.

With Muslims, it's marry and throw, marry and throw. Multiple wives.

Also the interesting part of Islamic law is, I don't know if they treat sex as like they think any Muslim woman who are forced to marry them lust for them in bed or what.

But one of the punishment is to deprive your wife of sex, IF she was disobedient. And too bad the other measure is beating the crap out of her, otherwise, if they can just stop at refusing sex, many women will keep misbehaving so that they will not get sexual attention from the husband they never chose for themselves.




Omg Greta. Yes Jesus said after you're divorced you can't have sex with anyone. If you do, you are committing adultrey. That is why the Catholic Church doesn't let divorced people who re-marry take communion. Even though they are remarried, in the eyes of the Church they are committing adultrey.




so its already law and no thumb screws?


It's church law. If it was legal law they wouldn't be permitted to remarry at all.

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/9/2017 2:04:44 AM   
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Omg Greta. Yes Jesus said after you're divorced you can't have sex with anyone. If you do, you are committing adultrey. That is why the Catholic Church doesn't let divorced people who re-marry take communion. Even though they are remarried, in the eyes of the Church they are committing adultrey.

Which verse did he specifically say you can't have sex after divorce?

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/9/2017 2:07:27 AM   
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It's church law. If it was legal law they wouldn't be permitted to remarry at all.

To think there are sex orgies groups too, that believe in having group sex with Jesus. Like spiritual group sex, with Jesus spirit with them making love to all of them too lol.

So who is right?

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/9/2017 2:13:00 AM   
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Omg Greta. Yes Jesus said after you're divorced you can't have sex with anyone. If you do, you are committing adultrey. That is why the Catholic Church doesn't let divorced people who re-marry take communion. Even though they are remarried, in the eyes of the Church they are committing adultrey.

Which verse did he specifically say you can't have sex after divorce?



Matthew 5:31-32

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/9/2017 2:20:29 AM   
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Regards to adultery in Christianity. According to this Pastor. He says that adultery is only commited between married person. So if you are not married and the other person is not married. It's no longer adultery.

Still another interpretation is found on the Christian Marriage web site. 3 Pastor Don Milton notes that the word "adultery" means sexual intercourse by a man with a woman who is either engaged or married to another man. Milton notes that:

"Every reference to adultery in the entire Bible concerns sexual intercourse between a married or betrothed woman and a man other than the one to whom she is married or betrothed."

If adultery is limited by definition to activity between a man and another man's wife or near wife, then "adultery in ones heart" could also be assumed to refer only to lust directed at another man's wife or betrothed woman. This passage is actually describing a man coveting one of his neighbor's possessions -- a wife. He is violating the Tenth commandment of Exodus 20:17:

"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's."

Thus, feelings of lust towards a single women would fall outside the scope of Matthew 5:27-28. This interpretation become much clearer when one realizes that the Greek word "gune" translated here as "woman" can also be translated as "wife." It has been translated as "wife" or "wives" in 92 other passages in the Christian Scriptures. A clearer translation into English might be:

"Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, that whosoever looketh on [another man's] wife to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."


On the subject of how Jesus will Punish Adultery.

John 8:1-11 records a meeting between Jesus, some scholars, Pharisees, and a woman who has been caught in adultery. The Mosaic law (Leviticus 20:10, and Deuteronomy 22:22) required that she must be executed by stoning. The passage in Deuteronomy is quite definite: "both the man...and the woman must die. You must purge the evil from Israel." They asked Jesus what should be done with the woman. He recommended that the thrower of the first stone be required to be without sin. Since no individual is without sin, his suggestion is equivalent to pardoning the woman. He thus recommended that the woman be allowed to live. This was a quadruple violation of Mosaic Law. Later, Jesus said to the woman: "Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more." Through these words, he recognized her adultery as a sin.

Sounds like Jesus will protect adultery people from being stoned to death! And his saying FUCK YOU to old testament laws. IF Jesus is God himself, that's God himself setting up new standards, new updated rules to adultery ha!

If Jesus was the son of God, he is suppose to be the perfect example of God who can do no wrong, so either way, he is the standard. So it's all fine!


http://www.religioustolerance.org/sex_jesu.htm

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/9/2017 2:35:13 AM   
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One is fornication, the other is adultery. Both sins of sexual immorality (among others). Both gave you the death penalty in the OT and in a Christian theocracy, both would be illegal sexual activity. Again, my point is, don't think that a Christian theocracy would be great compared to a Muslim based one because it wouldn't be. Jesus is not all sugar and spice and everything's nice.

http://www.rmsbibleengineering.com/Page2/Adultery/Page2_1.html#item8

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/9/2017 2:40:23 AM   
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Jesus has proven by his own actions, he will not kill an adulterer and not even punish her for it.

No such chance in Islam. Zero! Zip!

And it also tells me, Jesus is willing to go against the laws of the old testament to stay true to his turn the other cheek teachings.

As a leader, and if he was governing. Alot of the old testament brutal punishments will not be happening under him.

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/9/2017 2:43:26 AM   
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Trump Pleaded The Fifth 97 Times To Avoid Admitting To Adultery guffaws

You dim bitch I just said earlier god tried to wipe out all of humanity, penguins and fluffy bunnies.
Not a god to be trifled with is that one.

God takes no snash:
"Behold, I, even I am bringing the flood of water upon the earth, to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life, from under heaven; everything that is on the earth shall perish.

So why cant he do it again for this cesspool - must have been a right debauched lot back then: muffin fornication and all that malarkey.


And for the illiterate Americashire jackals and dim bitches everywhere

snash

NOUN
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[mass noun] Insolence; abuse:
‘he did not have to take this snash’


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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/9/2017 2:53:14 AM   
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Greta, if we lived in a Christian theocracy, strictly speaking, it wouldn't be that much different than Islam. Women must obey their husbands, and are not permitted to speak at all in church (so in a theocracy they wouldn't be able to speak in government, or hold any leadership position over a man whatsoever). Homosexuality is a total sin... so in a christian theocracy there would be punishment for it. In strict churches, drinking and dancing aren't allowed. Women are to dress modestly... their head should be covered in church. Premarital sex is a sin and would be punished. Etc... You should do some research on the Puritans. The difference between christianity and muslim (besides their belief for salvation) is that christianity says that the government and God are two separate things.


That would depend on which religion you were following. So just to clear things up, which one of the thousands of christian churches in the us are you referring to in your little rant? I have been to a whole shit load and I don't remember them preaching any of that. As to the differences between christian and muslim faith, again you are first going to have to define which ones you are speaking about and then try to find the differences.

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/9/2017 2:55:27 AM   
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Really? That cannot be true, since Jesus stopped the stoning of a Prostitute.

To me, living in Christian Theocracy is living in a country where Jesus is President, compared to IF Muhammad is President.

Jesus will never punish a woman for being raped.

Muhammad would.

And I highly doubt Jesus would oppose to women pursuing education and wanting to improve themselves, or demand silly things like covering their heads while in churches.


Well what would Jesus punish people for? And Jesus is not the whole religion of Christianity.



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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/9/2017 3:02:01 AM   
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Oh the catholic church you had to write a letter to a priest or pope or something, or was it god, when you divorced your bint so you could go shag/marry another bint. Honestly & it wasn't that long ago and they would usually say nah.

dear pope kiddy fiddlers, I married a monster may I please have a divorce..signed a beaten subhuman.
pope kiddy fiddlers: nah.

Probably a name and procedure for that, but I forget what it is/called :( Or have you lot moved onto Shakira https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weRHyjj34ZE

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/9/2017 3:05:01 AM   
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Really? That cannot be true, since Jesus stopped the stoning of a Prostitute.

To me, living in Christian Theocracy is living in a country where Jesus is President, compared to IF Muhammad is President.

Jesus will never punish a woman for being raped.

Muhammad would.

And I highly doubt Jesus would oppose to women pursuing education and wanting to improve themselves, or demand silly things like covering their heads while in churches.


Well what would Jesus punish people for? And Jesus is not the whole religion of Christianity.



If Jesus is not the whole religion then where did the Christ part in Christian come from?

Chris·ti·an·i·ty
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the religion based on the person and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, or its beliefs and practices.

from about half of the bible. the right ignores the other half (lol, that had to be said)



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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/9/2017 3:06:27 AM   
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My point is that if you think the Muslim religion is much different then the Christian religion in terms of what is considered right and wrong, think again. If the Christian religion became the 'Law of the Land' enforced by legal laws and associated punishments, it wouldn't be much different... and it could even be worse if you want to start punishing men for looking lustfully at another woman. Christianity subjugates women under men, allows for slavery, makes sex illegal unless it is with your wife/husband, homosexuality is out, etc. If you are a Christian, you would lose all of your rights to self-protection from non-Christians (the non-Christians can beat you, steal from you, sue you for everything you have... and you have no recourse.) It takes away your right to your day in court with Christians (work it out yourselves) or non-Christians (take your beating and let him take your stuff). That is just some of the highlights. So no, I'm not saying i want to live under Sharia Law but i am saying don't think that living under Christian law would be great either.





That was your point? Wow and all this time I thought your point was to show us how fucking clueless you are about Christians. Color me surprised

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/9/2017 3:06:47 AM   
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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/9/2017 6:46:29 AM   
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What if, instead of being against Christians or Muslims or Buddhists or Hindus or Whatevers, you were against violence?

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RE: 66% of Dems thinks Christianity is as violent as Islam - 2/9/2017 7:20:18 AM   
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What if, instead of being against Christians or Muslims or Buddhists or Hindus or Whatevers, you were against violence?


Good thinking. Instead of addressing the root cause (Islam), just continue to put band aids on the bullet holes. At least that way you can continue to feel real good about the results of your brainwashing as the bodies continue to hit the floor all around you

How many Hindus and Buddhists have Muslims murdered in the area in and around present day India alone. A billion? More? The British temporarily stopped the bloodshed and built infrastructure, before freeing the people there, but Nuclear war looms over the area because Pakistan has the bomb

The coming conflict between Islam and everyone else is going to make 9/11 look like a Barack Obama Peace Prize parade


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