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Awareness -> RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lefties are Coming! (2/24/2017 4:41:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle quote: ORIGINAL: Awareness Two fallacies in one paragraph. For your ongoing education, I will elucidate: A) Appeal to authority. (That's a fallacy m'dear). There is plenty of history describing the foundation of fascism. It's patently clear that it owes much to socialism and characterisations of it as right-wing are ideologically driven viewpoints, not factual viewpoints. B) Begging the question. You state I'm unable to support my viewpoint with a reputable political scientist because - by your definition - if a political scientist supports my point, then they're not reputable. Is this the best you can do? Because, if it is, you have just outed yourself as full of bluster with zero intellectual content. No, I've outed you as both ignorant of history and fundamentally unable to argue. quote: Of course you can't produce a single reputable political scientist or analyst from anywhere in the world that agrees with your absurd proposition because no such reputable political scientist or analyst exists. No reputable political scientist or analyst anywhere would assert that fascism is a left wing phenomenon. To do so would be end of reputation, career death. They would no longer be taken seriously by their peers and colleagues, rather they would become objects of derision to their previous colleagues and professional peers. Appeal to authority and begging the question. You should be able to cite actual historical references rather than the OPINIONS of people who you claim are only authorities if they agree with you. quote: In the absence of any supporting evidence, we have to take your word for it. And we all know the lack of intellectual training and depth you bring to the table. So the choice is very easy - do we accept the unanimous view of every reputable political scientist or analyst in the world, or do we take A'ness' (a self-proclaimed but totally unverified internet 'expert') word for it? Oh, I think we do know. I've made a fool of you multiple times, but you seem to have a real problem with learning from your mistakes. quote: Even someone as backward and unschooled as you ought to be able to see there is only only rational decision possible. In other words, you lost badly and are now scrambling for a semblance of credibility. Here's a clue for free: It's not working.

vincentML -> RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lefties are Coming! (2/24/2017 6:00:22 PM)
quote: Appeal to authority and begging the question. You should be able to cite actual historical references rather than the OPINIONS of people who you claim are only authorities if they agree with you. Here are some snips from The Doctrine of Fascism, edited and partly written by Benito Mussolini as presented in WIKI. Clearly, Fascism was a rejection of both Liberalism and Socialism. The Fascist conception of the State is all-embracing; outside of it no human or spiritual values can exist, much less have value. Thus understood, Fascism is totalitarian, and the Fascist State—a synthesis and a unit inclusive of all values—interprets, develops, and potentiates the whole life of a people. (p. 14) Fascism is therefore opposed to Socialism to which unity within the State (which amalgamates classes into a single economic and ethical reality) is unknown, and which sees in history nothing but the class struggle. Fascism is likewise opposed to trade unionism as a class weapon, but when brought within the orbit of the State, Fascism recognises the real needs which gave rise to socialism and trade-unionism, giving them due weight in the guild or corporative system in which divergent interests are coordinated and harmonised in the unity of the State. (p.15) [snip] Fascism [is] the precise negation of that doctrine which formed the basis of the so-called Scientific or Marxian Socialism. (p. 30) After Socialism, Fascism attacks the whole complex of democratic ideologies and rejects them both in their theoretical premises and in their applications or practical manifestations. Fascism denies that the majority, through the mere fact of being a majority, can rule human societies; it denies that this majority can govern by means of a periodical consultation; it affirms the irremediable, fruitful and beneficent inequality of men, who cannot be levelled by such a mechanical and extrinsic fact as universal suffrage. (p. 31) Fascism is definitely and absolutely opposed to the doctrines of liberalism, both in the political and economic sphere. (p. 32) Let me point out it was you, not Tweakabelle, who resorted to a secondary source to support an argument. So back to the original. Fascism is far right, not left.

PeonForHer -> RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lefties are Coming! (2/24/2017 6:06:56 PM)
quote: Of course you can't produce a single reputable political scientist or analyst from anywhere in the world that agrees with your absurd proposition because no such reputable political scientist or analyst exists. No reputable political scientist or analyst anywhere would assert that fascism is a left wing phenomenon. To do so would be end of reputation, career death. They would no longer be taken seriously by their peers and colleagues, rather they would become objects of derision to their previous colleagues and professional peers. Yep. There's a multitude of angry little altie-rightie and other sites all over the net, in which people are protesting that it's all the opposite of what you say. But it just ain't true. All it is is lots furious gnats who don't want to accept the nasty label for views that give them the happies.

Awareness -> RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lefties are Coming! (2/24/2017 6:24:55 PM)
Christ Peon, no wonder you can't get a woman. You're such a fucking girl. [:D]

tweakabelle -> RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lefties are Coming! (2/25/2017 3:20:25 AM)
Poor A'ness you are so transparent. Every time you are on the wrong end of a pasting on these boards, your escape plan is to claim sexual superiority over one of the people who have just handed you your ass (to borrow one of your preferred phrases). Of course, adults know one golden rule about men and sex is this: The louder they proclaim their sexual prowess, the less sex they actually get. You are dealing with adults here. We all see straight through you.[8\|]

PeonForHer -> RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lefties are Coming! (2/25/2017 3:31:16 AM)
In fairness I don't think it has much to do with the given poster that Awareness his aiming his comment at at the time, Tweak. In fact, it's just coincidence: Every now and then, Awareness gets up and steps up away from his computer. In the process he realises that he has legs that have muscles in them. One can feel a surge of one's sense of masculinity in such a feat and it can be a very empowering experience.

tweakabelle -> RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lefties are Coming! (2/25/2017 3:49:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer In fairness I don't think it has much to do with the given poster that Awareness his aiming his comment at at the time, Tweak. In fact, it's just coincidence: Every now and then, Awareness gets up and steps up away from his computer. In the process he realises that he has legs that have muscles in them. One can feel a surge of one's sense of masculinity in such a feat and it can be a very empowering experience. What can I say? Testosterone moves in such truly mysterious ways.[:D]

thompsonx -> RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lefties are Coming! (2/25/2017 4:15:20 AM)
ORIGINAL: Awareness Two fallacies in one paragraph. For your ongoing education, I will elucidate: A) Appeal to authority. (That's a fallacy m'dear). There is plenty of history describing the foundation of fascism. It's patently clear that it owes much to socialism and characterisations of it as right-wing are ideologically driven viewpoints, not factual viewpoints. Not according to bennie mousilinni. He says that you are as usual full of shit. Appeal to authority and begging the question. You should be able to cite actual historical references rather than the OPINIONS of people who you claim are only authorities if they agree with you. You have been shown historical references containing the opinions of bennie mousilinni. Do you think he was mistaken in his opinion of fascism? In other words, you lost badly and are now scrambling for a semblance of credibility. Here's a clue for free: It's not working. The "black knight"/black night has spoken.[8\|]

Hillwilliam -> RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lefties are Coming! (2/25/2017 5:21:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic snorts at bosco this is why I keep offering him a pop up version of the dictionary.. he relies on google so much.. its not the fucking oracle...bloody idiot Snorts snot right backatcha babe That's why I keep offering you fools lessons on honest debate, and keep pointing out how you are way over reliant on your fallacy crutches Then again, it is true that you losers are incapable of winning debates with facts and logic so... Unfortunately for you, snorting snot is all you got How can a proven liar offer lessons on honest anything?

Lucylastic -> RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lefties are Coming! (2/25/2017 7:45:56 AM)
He has nothing to offer. Nothing at all as far as honesty is concerned. It is known.

Awareness -> RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lefties are Coming! (2/25/2017 8:35:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: Appeal to authority and begging the question. You should be able to cite actual historical references rather than the OPINIONS of people who you claim are only authorities if they agree with you. Here are some snips from The Doctrine of Fascism, edited and partly written by Benito Mussolini as presented in WIKI. Clearly, Fascism was a rejection of both Liberalism and Socialism. Fascism was a rejection of everything, primarily because rejection and subversion of the past is a necessary component of establishing a new doctrine aimed at overturning the old order. However liberalism itself is primarily about liberty, not equality. So while the Leftists might try and claim liberalism for themselves, the truth is, liberalism underlies what we consider Western democracy. It is not - repeat not - a component of the Leftist viewpoint. You're confusing liberalism with social liberalism which strives to inject equality into the mix. And it's precisely this focus on collective equality which leads to the failure of socialism. So, as we can see, fascism rejected the concept of liberty - mostly under the guise of the need for an autocratic state - whereas socialism rejects liberty as a consequence of the moral justification for the class struggle. Not only are all equal, insists socialism, but all must be MADE EQUAL. Violently if necessary. Not for the first time, you've demonstrated the difference between reading and understanding. People like you, Peon and Twink READ, but you do not COMPREHEND.

Awareness -> RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lefties are Coming! (2/25/2017 8:39:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tweakabelle Poor A'ness you are so transparent. Every time you are on the wrong end of a pasting on these boards, your escape plan is to claim sexual superiority over one of the people who have just handed you your ass (to borrow one of your preferred phrases). No I don't. You're lying. Cite some of my posts - go on. Do more than just ramble like a crazy person - actually back up some of your bullshit. Twink your inability to think is why your moral relativism calls for persecution of the Jews while justifying the horrific, outrageous, genocidal behaviour of the Palestinians and other Muslims. quote: Of course, adults know one golden rule about men and sex is this: The louder they proclaim their sexual prowess, the less sex they actually get. Twink, I didn't say a damn thing about my sex life. You really do have trouble thinking, don't you? I mean, this is an elementary recitation of facts and you simply can't do it. I hadn't realised quite how bad it is. You really just don't possess the faculties necessary to do much in the way of thinking at all. You're kind of.... I guess dumb is the only way to sum it up. quote: You are dealing with adults here. We all see straight through you.[8\|] I know exactly what I'm dealing with. I don't think you have the faintest idea.

Awareness -> RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lefties are Coming! (2/25/2017 8:40:48 AM)
As usual, you have no idea what's going on, you senile old coot. Shutup Arpig.

vincentML -> RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lefties are Coming! (2/25/2017 4:40:24 PM)
quote: So, as we can see, fascism rejected the concept of liberty - mostly under the guise of the need for an autocratic state - whereas socialism rejects liberty as a consequence of the moral justification for the class struggle. Not only are all equal, insists socialism, but all must be MADE EQUAL. Violently if necessary. What is going on here is that you have set up a straw man against which you are arguing by conflating democratic socialism with Stalinist and Maoist Communism. The Left in modern socialist nations and we in our mongrelized patchwork social structure are not shy about recognizing individual talent and achievement; they and we do not strive to stifle our various liberties. Your insistence that that is the case is either outright lying or plain stupidity. It is not substantive equality that is sought but fairness, goddamnit, dignity, and a basic safety net of health and welfare. We also want freedom from greedy, monopolistic, blood sucking corporate oligarchies, which the Trump presidency threatens to lay upon us under the guise of a phony populist revolution. Liberalism at its extremes, or neo-liberalism ~ the recent fashion ~ eventually leads to a rebirth of a dog eat dog, survival of the fittest eugenics, a Hobbesian dystopia. That has always been and continues to be the underlying, if hidden, agenda that drives the corporate Right and the Randian Individualism that you seem to applaud, if not the agenda then certainly the inevitable consequence. Classical liberalism has never existed except in your cum filled dreams. It certainly has not existed at any time or place in North America. The earliest British settlements in Virginia were forcefully populated with beggars and thieves off the streets of English cities and brought into indentured servitude, treated as poorly as African slaves were treated. Liberty? For who? For those who had power derived from land grants, but not for the landless. These western colonies were no different than Australia in being trash dumps for English “human waste.” I am fine with you being Rand’s whore boy. Let’s just be honest about it. Communist totalitarianism and Fascist totalitarianism are two distant binaries with which modern democratic socialism does not identify. They are your straw men. You can lie down with them like feral pigs in the mud of history, if you wish. Do not associate them with the “Left.” We are done with your red-baiting McCarthyism.

PeonForHer -> RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lefties are Coming! (2/25/2017 5:08:50 PM)
quote: What is going on here is that you have set up a straw man against which you are arguing by conflating democratic socialism with Stalinist and Maoist Communism. The Left in modern socialist nations and we in our mongrelized patchwork social structure are not shy about recognizing individual talent and achievement; they and we do not strive to stifle our various liberties. Your insistence that that is the case is either outright lying or plain stupidity. Vincent, it's his most standard trick. You can tell him what a term means - 'feminism' in many, many arguments past; or in this case 'socialism' ... and, in the face of all evidence, he will simply ignore it. Moreover, he'll carry on talking as though his version of the meaning is implicitly accepted by everyone involved in the discussion. You begin to feel like you're talking in English to someone who's speaking Swahili whilst absolutely insisting that it is in fact he who is speaking English whereas you - you're either stupid, mad, indoctrinated up to your eyeballs, or varying proportions of all three.

Musicmystery -> RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lefties are Coming! (2/26/2017 5:42:09 AM)
My all time favorite is "You must have used some 'liberal' dictionary." Since he loves to pretend he understands logical fallacies, he should look up another form of pseudo-reasoning, "persuasive definition." It's easy to be "right" when you make words mean whatever you want, instead of what they actually mean.

PeonForHer -> RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lefties are Coming! (2/26/2017 6:32:03 AM)
quote: It's easy to be "right" when you make words mean whatever you want, instead of what they actually mean. That's maybe what's really meant by 'alt-right'.

vincentML -> RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lefties are Coming! (2/26/2017 10:34:37 AM)
Pompous . . . arrogant . . . rude . . . abusive . . . mendacious . . are some descriptors that come to mind. [:'(]

thompsonx -> RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lefties are Coming! (2/26/2017 10:46:46 AM)
ORIGINAL: vincentML Pompous . . . arrogant . . . rude . . . abusive . . . mendacious . . are some descriptors that come to mind. [:'(] That looks an awful lot like an euphimism for: Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

instillchrysalis -> RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lefties are Coming! (2/26/2017 11:09:31 AM)
I think most of us hold a mix of all of these values. This stupid head butting between conservative and liberals leave the rest of us looking for better representation. All of you need to pull your heads out of your ass.

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