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RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lef... - 2/26/2017 11:19:44 AM   
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Pompous . . . arrogant . . . rude . . . abusive . . . mendacious . .

are some descriptors that come to mind.




Take a look in the mirror... you're a pompous arrogant ass yourself.

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RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lef... - 2/26/2017 11:20:51 AM   
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Christ Peon, no wonder you can't get a woman. You're such a fucking girl.


He knows.

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RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lef... - 2/26/2017 11:21:39 AM   
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I think most of us hold a mix of all of these values. This stupid head butting between conservative and liberals leave the rest of us looking for better representation. All of you need to pull your heads out of your ass.

Yeah, right We should avoid controversy and conflicting opinions in this Forum.

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RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lef... - 2/26/2017 11:43:04 AM   
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Christ Peon, no wonder you can't get a woman. You're such a fucking girl.


He knows.


Awe inspiring repartee!

I really don't know how I survive on this forum, given the terrifying verbal damage you two inflict on me when working as a team. It's like being savaged by two dead sheep.


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RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lef... - 2/26/2017 11:49:56 AM   
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Take a look in the mirror... you're a pompous arrogant ass yourself.

How does that affect the validity of his statements?
If the truth offends you go tell your mommie to find you a safe space.


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RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lef... - 2/26/2017 11:56:37 AM   
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Awe inspiring repartee!

I really don't know how I survive on this forum, given the terrifying verbal damage you two inflict on me when working as a team. It's like being savaged by two dead sheep.

You are so baaaaaaaaaahd

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RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lef... - 2/26/2017 12:29:51 PM   
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Christ Peon, no wonder you can't get a woman. You're such a fucking girl.


He knows.


Awe inspiring repartee!

I really don't know how I survive on this forum, given the terrifying verbal damage you two inflict on me when working as a team. It's like being savaged by two dead sheep.



Why would there be damage? We simply accept what you don't seem to yet. It's ok... really.

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RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lef... - 2/26/2017 3:54:43 PM   
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So, as we can see, fascism rejected the concept of liberty - mostly under the guise of the need for an autocratic state - whereas socialism rejects liberty as a consequence of the moral justification for the class struggle. Not only are all equal, insists socialism, but all must be MADE EQUAL. Violently if necessary.


What is going on here is that you have set up a straw man against which you are arguing by conflating democratic socialism with Stalinist and Maoist Communism.
Wrong. The fundamental collectivist model of socialism is what underlies fascism's autocratic suppression of individual liberty. There is no greater collectivist construction than the idea of the State as enforcer of equality. Democratic socialism is a vague handwaving attempt to pretend socialism isn't autocratic. It's bullshit, of course, which is why idiots like yourself try and hide behind it.

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The Left in modern socialist nations and we in our mongrelized patchwork social structure are not shy about recognizing individual talent and achievement; they and we do not strive to stifle our various liberties.
Another bald-faced lie. Individual achievement is held by the left to be an artefact of privilege. Consequently, the obsession with social liberalism sees you attempt to quash individual achievement by biasing the playing field in favour of the incompetent.

You're so appallingly bad at this, it's amazing. Christ, do you even BEGIN to think before you make the shittiest possible fucking arguments? I mean, this is pathetic.

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Your insistence that that is the case is either outright lying or plain stupidity.
I've already pointed out that you're a liar and stupid. You attempting the same with me is just laughable incompetence on your part.

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It is not substantive equality that is sought but fairness, goddamnit, dignity, and a basic safety net of health and welfare. We also want freedom from greedy, monopolistic, blood sucking corporate oligarchies, which the Trump presidency threatens to lay upon us under the guise of a phony populist revolution.
Bullshit. The Left is obsessed with social control, the policing of thought, word and deed. This has been demonstrated over and over again, with the constant narrowing of the Overton window.

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Liberalism at its extremes, or neo-liberalism ~ the recent fashion ~ eventually leads to a rebirth of a dog eat dog, survival of the fittest eugenics, a Hobbesian dystopia. That has always been and continues to be the underlying, if hidden, agenda that drives the corporate Right and the Randian Individualism that you seem to applaud, if not the agenda then certainly the inevitable consequence.
As I pointed out, Liberalism underlies Western democracy. It's the belief in the individual which enshrines the rights we enjoy. This is in stark contrast to the collectivism of socialism which values the good of the collective over the rights of the individual. You seem to have real trouble understanding anything. My sympathies.

Ayn Rand was a poor storyteller, her characters were awful and her philosophy is fucking repellent. She was an utter cunt of a human being.

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Classical liberalism has never existed except in your cum filled dreams. It certainly has not existed at any time or place in North America. The earliest British settlements in Virginia were forcefully populated with beggars and thieves off the streets of English cities and brought into indentured servitude, treated as poorly as African slaves were treated. Liberty? For who? For those who had power derived from land grants, but not for the landless. These western colonies were no different than Australia in being trash dumps for English “human waste.”
Read the Federalist Papers. It might go some way toward enlightening your ignorance, but I doubt it.

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I am fine with you being Rand’s whore boy. Let’s just be honest about it.
This, from the catamite who sucks on Stalin's dead cock? That's a fucking irony, right there.

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Communist totalitarianism and Fascist totalitarianism are two distant binaries with which modern democratic socialism does not identify. They are your straw men. You can lie down with them like feral pigs in the mud of history, if you wish. Do not associate them with the “Left.” We are done with your red-baiting McCarthyism.
Nonsense. Totalitarianism is an inevitable product of socialism. Fascism combines this with industry. You can think of socialism as Fascism, but without the profit. Kind of like a poor man's Nazi Reich.

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RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lef... - 2/26/2017 3:56:01 PM   
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Christ Peon, no wonder you can't get a woman. You're such a fucking girl.


He knows.


Awe inspiring repartee!

I really don't know how I survive on this forum, given the terrifying verbal damage you two inflict on me when working as a team. It's like being savaged by two dead sheep.

You hastening to assure us that you don't care is a clear demonstration that you do.

You're not all that bright, lad.


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RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lef... - 2/26/2017 6:11:33 PM   
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Wrong. The fundamental collectivist model of socialism is what underlies fascism's autocratic suppression of individual liberty. There is no greater collectivist construction than the idea of the State as enforcer of equality. Democratic socialism is a vague handwaving attempt to pretend socialism isn't autocratic. It's bullshit, of course, which is why idiots like yourself try and hide behind it.

You write as if only socialism and fascism were based upon a collective social contract, and not classic liberalism. But that is untrue. The "father of classical liberal philosophy," John Locke, proposed that in nature individuals gathered together and consented to be governed in order to protect "Life, health, Liberty, or Possessions." Locke was aware of inequality and he implies that government will somehow see to the more equal distribution of wealth. ~source~

Sadly, in contradiction to his philosophy Locke showed by his life's work that the only Liberty he was concerned for was the Liberty of wealthy landowners. Locke profited from the slave trade as an investor in the Royal African Company and he participated in drafting The Fundamental Constitutions of the Carolina "which established a feudal aristocracy and gave a master absolute power over his slaves." What a disgusting human being he was.

The same criticism can be leveled against James Madison and Thomas Jefferson. They were wealthy, propertied slave owners, so their claims to Liberty as a fundamental doctrine are forever tarnished. They certainly did not intend Liberty for all. In the Congressional elections of 1789 only white male land owners were allowed to vote.

"Delaware had a total state population of just over 59,000, but only 2,059 ballots were cast, meaning just 3% of the population. Georgia’s turnout was around 5%, New York about 3% and Rhode Island has what seems to have been lowest turnout of all at an abysmal 0.7%."

All of your pompous hysteria and insults to me are not going to change the fundamental flaws and lies of Classical Liberalism, that it was nothing more than a guild for the wealthy to the exclusion of the commons.

Again, I repeat the challenge: where has Liberalism ever existed other than "underlying" our Constitution? That may be fine in theory but fails in practice. Our history following the Founders has been rife with forceful exploitation of labor by the state on behalf of capital. Liberty? Again, I ask you, for who? Never mind, we know the answer: for corporate capitalism and international banking. Fuck, more deregulation, right?

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Another bald-faced lie. Individual achievement is held by the left to be an artefact of privilege.

Yeah, that's what you bellow but you give neither examples nor support for your bullshit assumption.

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The Left is obsessed with social control, the policing of thought, word and deed. This has been demonstrated over and over again, with the constant narrowing of the Overton window.

Sure, only the Left tries to limit discourse

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Ayn Rand was a poor storyteller, her characters were awful and her philosophy is fucking repellent. She was an utter cunt of a human being.

Really, that's no way to talk about your mama. Shameful.

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As I pointed out, Liberalism underlies Western democracy.

As I pointed out our history gives the lie to your delusion.

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It's the belief in the individual which enshrines the rights we enjoy.

The rights we enjoy were hard won through the Courts and through action in the streets, and they are constantly threatened by erosion from the totalitarian minded RWNJs. The right to vote is under increasing attack. So, don't tell me that all is kumbaya because liberalism is under us. A lot of blood flowed to gain those rights.

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RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lef... - 2/26/2017 6:24:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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Christ Peon, no wonder you can't get a woman. You're such a fucking girl.


He knows.


Awe inspiring repartee!

I really don't know how I survive on this forum, given the terrifying verbal damage you two inflict on me when working as a team. It's like being savaged by two dead sheep.

You hastening to assure us that you don't care is a clear demonstration that you do.

You're not all that bright, lad.



No... but he thinks he is... and that's really cute.

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RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lef... - 2/26/2017 8:28:49 PM   
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There is no greater collectivist construction than the idea of the State as enforcer of equality.

That is pretty much the sum and substance of the declaration of independence and the constitution.
If you are not happy with that then stay out of amerika.

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RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lef... - 2/26/2017 8:41:23 PM   
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Addenum to what I wrote above . . .

A'ness

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There is no greater collectivist construction than the idea of the State as enforcer of equality.


Enforcer of equality . . . under the law, you stupid ass . . .fairness in legal process and substantive law. Civil Rights . . . the Bill of Rights for all regardless of race and gender. Not something classical liberalism would understand. Evidently beyond your feeble comprehension.

Thompson is right: you are phoquing stupid.

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RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lef... - 2/27/2017 12:03:56 AM   
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There is no greater collectivist construction than the idea of the State as enforcer of equality.

That is pretty much the sum and substance of the declaration of independence and the constitution.
If you are not happy with that then stay out of amerika.

No, you fucking moron, that's the State as the guarantor of liberty.

You are clearly stupid. You babble on about topics about which you have no understanding and you are unable to cogently articulate a single thought. Go back to sucking sailor's cock's, you demented old fool - it's the only thing you'll ever be successful at.


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RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lef... - 2/27/2017 12:06:18 AM   
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Oh good grief, you're clearly an idiot socialist who has yet to grow up.

Honestly, people who still believe in socialism at your age are mentally deficient. As the old saying goes, "A man who doesn't believe in socialism by his 20's has no soul. If he doesn't believe in capitalism by his 30's, he has no brains."

Clearly, you have no brains. Pathetic, really.

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RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lef... - 2/27/2017 12:07:45 AM   
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No... but he thinks he is... and that's really cute.
Each to their own. I find him to be a pompous, tedious, delusional little self-aggrandising twat, but I guess there must be somebody out there who's desperate enough to indulge him.


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RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lef... - 2/27/2017 12:08:58 AM   
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Oh, and I'm citing you for ellipsis abuse you fucking incoherent cum-guzzling cocksmack.

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RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lef... - 2/27/2017 1:21:48 AM   
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You hastening to assure us that you don't care is a clear demonstration that you do.

You're not all that bright, lad.


For God's sake, A. Think of your blood pressure! Look, you're in a D/s relationship. Why not just order your partner not to read the forums? That way you'd not need to try to assert your alpha status all the time. Sorted!

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RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lef... - 2/27/2017 2:00:22 AM   
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You hastening to assure us that you don't care is a clear demonstration that you do.

You're not all that bright, lad.


For God's sake, A. Think of your blood pressure! Look, you're in a D/s relationship. Why not just order your partner not to read the forums? That way you'd not need to try to assert your alpha status all the time. Sorted!

Things have come to a sad, possibly tragic pass when self proclaimed 'tops' need to be told how to assert their dominance successfully.

However you may have struck upon the only way the A'ness can have his self proclaimed alpha status taken seriously by somebodyany body. So if he has any sense he'll take your advice. However it's far from given that A'ness does have the requisite level of intelligence, so I guess we'll have to wait and see the results. I for one won't be holding my breath.

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RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lef... - 2/27/2017 4:32:59 AM   
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I think most of us hold a mix of all of these values. This stupid head butting between conservative and liberals leave the rest of us looking for better representation. All of you need to pull your heads out of your ass.

Alas, at the other end of the head-butting nonsense are real policies attacking real people that need representation willing to butt heads to get the job done when the vultures are circling.

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