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The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lefties... - 2/20/2017 12:46:23 PM   
Musicmystery


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The hysteria seems to be increasing in pitch and frequency.

The news -- all lefties out to get America.
ISIS -- clearly a lefties supported organization come to kill us and our values.
Courts interpreting the Constitution -- clearly lefties legislating from the bench.
Legal protests about government overreach -- clearly violent lefties out to destroy.
Conservatives are in trouble -- all lefties are out to get them!
Poor Donald and Milo -- the lefties have it in for them!
Career government officials -- clearly lefties out to undermine the executive branch.
US Intelligence Agencies -- godless lefties.
People questioning Trump/Russia ties -- lefties who hate freedom and our way of life.
ACLU -- lefties out to destroy us by protecting our rights.
EPA -- lefties out to destroy us by forcing clean air and water upon us.
Education -- just a goddamn lefties indoctrination plot.
Outsourcing of jobs -- well, I don't know how exactly, but lefties are to blame.

You "OMG I see Leftist People" don't see a hint of hysteria in your monotonous ramblings?





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RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lef... - 2/20/2017 1:20:17 PM   
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You sound like boscox - you know he it sits in a puddle of his own piss and vomit when he it types on here, howling like the mad jackal of hysteria that it is…I think the brain famished one pisses and shits it's nappy many times over, before he hits its hysterical post button

MM this one, understand better http://www.collarchat.com/m_5002762/tm.htm


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RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lef... - 2/20/2017 2:04:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


Interesting picture.

Looks like a "regular" strawman, an "environmental" strawman, and a "racist" strawman.

Is that the Lefties' Army being assembled?





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RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lef... - 2/20/2017 2:31:18 PM   
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Yes. We're going to destroy freedom and America.

Because we hate liberty and values.

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RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lef... - 2/20/2017 2:42:49 PM   
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Yes. We're going to destroy freedom and America.

Because we hate liberty and values.


Who is we?

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RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lef... - 2/20/2017 5:32:28 PM   
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Freud would be amused.

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RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lef... - 2/20/2017 5:34:24 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Yes. We're going to destroy freedom and America.

Because we hate liberty and values.


Who is we?



We is the alt left progressive conservative liberal republican socialists.

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RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lef... - 2/20/2017 5:47:21 PM   
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It won't be the lefties who impeach the orange buffoon. It will be the conservatives.

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RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lef... - 2/20/2017 5:50:19 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Yes. We're going to destroy freedom...


I think so

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
and America.


eventually that too yes

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Because we hate liberty


I agree

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
and values.


no, but you value things that set you at enmity with an awful lot of people and you don't respect theirs. and for the most part, our competing values are irreconcilable.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
You "OMG I see Leftist People" don't see a hint of hysteria in your monotonous ramblings?


the only "hysteria" I see is you and your fellow comrades over trump, day in, day out, all day long. there are at least a half dozen of you who have the temperance of a 14yr old girl at a david Cassidy concert.




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RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lef... - 2/20/2017 6:36:39 PM   
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have shared things like this before, seems like a fitting place for it again:

Liberal vs. Conservative Values

Liberal and conservative values in conflict

If you listen to liberal or conservative commentators exclusively, you may think there’s only one correct point of view, and the other end of the political spectrum is populated by wackos, evil schemers, and fools. It’s comfortable to think that truth resides exclusively on your side of the divide—but let’s try a mental experiment. Let’s assume that most people, whatever their politics, sincerely believe in their ideals, and that those ideals aren’t all misguided. Let’s look across the chasm and try to see what those other people are thinking.

[Note: Not all liberals and conservatives would agree with every tenet listed here—but these are the beliefs that generally define the two groups.]

On the social safety net

The liberal view
• There are people in this world who need help. They struggle to put food on the table, or can’t afford medical care—and many of them live in the United States. A civilized society would try to help them, instead of leaving them to fend for themselves. (Someday, the one who needs a helping hand may be you, or someone you love. All it takes is a serious illness, an injury, a lay-off, or a death in the family.)

The conservative view
• People are responsible for themselves—and, given the chance, they’re capable of supporting themselves and their families. If the government makes a practice of providing for people (with welfare, for example), they become weak and dependent, and lose their will to work. Nothing could be more destructive to the health of our society.

On wealth, taxes, and the role of government

The conservative view
• Government should serve the people—not the other way around.
• “That government is best which governs least.” In business, this means letting the free market (the most efficient economic system ever devised) generate wealth without a heavy hand trying to direct it.
• Governments tend to grow like snowballs rolling downhill. We must work to reverse this trend, or the government will expand and intrude on our lives even more than it does now.
• “A rising tide lifts all boats.” When we allow the most dynamic, successful members of society to do what they do best, they create jobs and general prosperity. In other words, lowering taxes benefits everyone. The best way to improve America’s standard of living is to let people pursue their own goals, and reduce the bureaucratic obstacles that stand in their way.
• The legitimate functions of our national government are to provide security through a strong defense and to protect freedom for the individual, so that people can pursue their own goals.
• Private property means that what belongs to you is yours; if the government confiscates your property, that’s tyranny. Our most productive citizens—the top 10% of earners—already pay 68% of the tax revenues collected. These rates should be cut, not raised.
• No one has an obligation to help a stranger involuntarily. Charity should be a personal decision. Encouraging voluntary giving would be better for America’s soul than seizing our money against our will, for purposes we don’t approve of.

The liberal view
• The proper function of government is to solve problems: to reduce poverty, protect civil rights and civil liberties, keep us safe from preventable harm, and, as much as possible, ensure that all Americans have an equal chance to succeed.
• We aren’t isolated individuals, struggling for survival: we live together, in a society. Ignoring the problems around us is a narrow-minded way to live. A society in which everyone has enough is better than a society where some are rich and others starve.
• There isn’t enough charity to take care of everyone who needs it; therefore, government has an important role to play. The alternative is letting people go hungry, homeless, or without medical care, and that’s not acceptable in a country with as much wealth as ours.
• The vast difference in income and lifestyle between the wealthiest and the poorest in our society is damaging the social fabric. We wouldn’t tolerate an America where 1% lived in luxury while 99% couldn’t feed their families; but America today comes closer to that than we’ve ever come before. (Today, the richest 1% earn 24% of the income in the U.S., and the top 20% own 85% of the wealth.) Membership in a society that makes wealth possible comes with obligations. Those who benefit most from our freedoms must contribute their fair share to help those who haven’t been as fortunate.
• The rising tide analogy is misleading. While poorer Americans have made very modest gains since the 1970s, income inequality has surged. The richest fifth’s income has grown at a rate eleven times greater than the poorest fifth’s, and the proportion of families living below the official poverty line has stayed in the 12-15% range.
• Large corporations, if unregulated, will do whatever they think will maximize profits, even if that wreaks havoc on the environment or on the welfare of ordinary citizens. Even the most courageous individual can’t prevent or stop corporate abuses; only the government has the power to do that.
• If the government can help create job opportunities during a time of high unemployment (as it did during the Great Depression), that’s a perfect use of tax dollars.

On war and defense

The liberal view
• War means violence against innocent people, death and injury to young soldiers, and more pain and suffering than the news ever shows. We’re too quick to use our armed forces.

The conservative view
• There are violent people in this world, who hate this country and mean us harm. We have a right and a responsibility to defend ourselves. This is true on the national level, and on the personal level. If someone wants to keep a gun in the house to defend against intruders, that’s his or her right, and it’s guaranteed by our Constitution.

On families

The conservative view
• The family is the primary unit of society, and a sacred institution. People don’t have the right to define the word family any way they please, and to demand legal recognition for their personal preference.
• Officially recognizing a same-sex relationship as a marriage violates the moral and religious beliefs of millions of Americans.

The liberal view
• Not every family resembles the traditional model. Many include only one parent; others have two parents of the same gender. These are families, too, and deserve the same respect and recognition that traditional families receive.
• Sexual orientation is inborn, not a sinful choice. When heterosexual people get to know gay coworkers and neighbors, they usually learn to accept this, and move beyond anti-gay prejudice.
• Many families are under stress as never before, due to divorce, unemployment, financial strains, and disabilities. Instead of paying lip service to family values, our society needs to help families that are struggling.

On immigration

The liberal view
• Unless you’re a Native American, your ancestors came from somewhere else. As much as possible, we should welcome immigrants, who come here to escape poverty and oppression, instead of treating them like criminals.

The conservative view
• Past generations of immigrants came here legally; most present immigrants broke the law by entering the U.S., and therefore don’t have the right to be here, let alone to use social services that the rest of us have to pay for.
• There aren’t enough jobs in the U.S. for our legal citizens. Much as we might like to welcome newcomers, we have to draw the line somewhere. We must secure our borders.

On the environment

The conservative view
• The earth is ours to use responsibly. Some people make a religion out of preserving wild lands, but they don’t realize how much of the earth remains untouched. We’re nowhere near using it up.
• When clean energy can compete with fossil fuels in the marketplace—i.e., when it becomes affordable—then it may be widely adopted. Forcing people to pay a premium for “environmentally correct” energy is the wrong way to go.

The liberal view
• Our health, and our children’s, depends on the quality of the air we breathe and the water we drink. The environment is infinitely precious—and it’s not infinitely capable of healing itself. We need to protect our air and water from pollution, and to preserve unspoiled wilderness from thoughtless development.
• The challenge of global warming presents us with an opportunity: by investing in clean energy technology (as China already has done), we can prevent the worst consequences of climate change and reinvigorate our economy.

On overcoming racism

The liberal view
• The difference in income between white people and African-Americans is still significant, and directly linked to centuries of oppression. We haven’t overcome the legacy of slavery yet. Even if we can point to successful individuals, there’s still a long way to go.

The conservative view
• Past injustices are in the past. Current law protects equal rights for all races, and it’s up to individuals to work hard and succeed according to their abilities. There is no longer a need to tip the balance in minorities’ favor to make up for what happened long ago. To do so is reverse discrimination, and creates new injustices.

On women

The conservative view
• Women are biologically different from men. To pretend otherwise is a mistake. Of course women should be free to pursue careers if they wish—but they should also be respected for choosing to take on the traditional roles of wife, mother, and homemaker.

The liberal view
• Women deserve the same rights and opportunities that society grants to men. We’ve made progress, but when it comes to income and representation in elected offices, equality is still far off.

On prayer in schools

The liberal view
• Not everyone in every classroom has the same religious beliefs. Forcing every child to say the same prayer, or any prayer at all, amounts to coercion. Our Founding Fathers were careful to protect the religious freedom of minorities by making religion a private matter, separate from government.

The conservative view
• The Founding Fathers were not atheists. To forbid as innocent and commendable an act as praying in school for fear of offending a small number of people goes beyond separation of church and state, into the realm of suppressing religion.

On abortion

The conservative view
• Life begins at conception. No matter how inconvenient the pregnancy is for the mother, killing the unborn child is murder. If she can’t raise the child herself, adoption is the ethical alternative.
• Young people need to understand that sex is how people reproduce, and if they’re not ready to have babies, they shouldn’t have sex. Those who seek pleasure irresponsibly will eventually have to face the consequences.

The liberal view
• What begins at conception is not a human life but a process of development that culminates in the birth of a person. If a young girl or a woman becomes pregnant but isn’t prepared to be a mother, or to go through the process of bearing a child, she has the right to end the pregnancy. A fetus is not a baby.
• If you outlaw abortion, women will still abort unwanted pregnancies, as they have for centuries—and many of them will be injured in the process, for lack of qualified medical care.
• You can lecture teenagers forever about abstinence, but biology is stronger than lectures. Most people have sex by age 18, long before they want children. No sermons can change that. But we can reduce the number of abortions performed in the U.S. by teaching teens about birth control and making it easily available. That’s the ethical alternative.

On human nature and justice

The conservative view
• We have the power to choose between right and wrong, and are responsible for our choices. Those who violate the law must pay the penalties. Too much leniency results in a culture of disrespect for the law, and social disorder.

The liberal view
• Human beings are capable of both selflessness and brutality. Even the best of us is far from perfect. Knowing this, we rely on the rule of law—and ask that justice be tempered with mercy.

On America’s future

The liberal view
• Most of the world’s most successful, prosperous nations are liberal democracies that provide their citizens with a strong safety net. This represents the natural progress of civilization. It’s time for us to catch up.

The conservative view
• What made America great—what makes this the country so many people around the world yearn to live in—is the vastness of opportunity here. Freedom of opportunity requires freedom from government interference. We are not Europe, and would be wrong to follow in Europe’s footsteps. We can do better by going our own way.

The values we cherish

Conservatives
• Duty, honesty, hard work, self-sacrifice, love of country, loyalty, and self-restraint.

Liberals
• Justice, compassion, equality of opportunity, and honesty about what’s great in our country, and what could be better.

https://raiderapusgovt.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/liberal-vs-conservative.pdf

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RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lef... - 2/20/2017 6:42:44 PM   
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The nutsucker felches the strawmen; the projections; the lies, and the retardation.
Liberals laugh.

the nutsucker is a coward and shuns serving his country, by nefarious subterfuges.

The nutsucker demands abstinence, the teen turns out to be a mattressbacked slut and Pailins daughter.

Yeah, dogshit44 and his repetitive retarded propeganda.



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RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lef... - 2/20/2017 8:28:23 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Yes. We're going to destroy freedom and America.

Because we hate liberty and values.


Who is we?


Musicmystery... i am asking you what you meant when you said "we".

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RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lef... - 2/20/2017 9:19:55 PM   
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Yes. We're going to destroy freedom and America.

Because we hate liberty and values.
Actually you hate individuality and anyone who doesn't support your insane ideas.

The central uniting theme of the lunatic left is their autocratic desire to curb freedom of speech.


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RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lef... - 2/20/2017 9:36:59 PM   
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Actually you hate individuality and anyone who doesn't support your insane ideas.

The central uniting theme of the lunatic left is their autocratic desire to curb freedom of speech.




Seriously?

The liberal ACLU has fought more cases on just that topic than anything else.

Curb freedom of speech seems a bit much for a political movement that supported the right to burn the US flag as just that, freedom of speech.

While I personally do not agree with burning the flag in protest, it is a form of expression and thus protected under the first amendment.

Need I remind you that it was the conservatives who pushed through laws that allowed for the attempted prosecution of Larry Flint on pornography charges, it was a liberal lawyer who fought against those charges.

Of course you have a president who refers to any media outlet other than FOX as enemies of the American people, which clearly is an attack on the freedom of speech and the press.

The issue is not curbing the freedom of speech, but more of shutting down anyone that speaks in direct opposition of what you or someone else believes.

Freedom of speech and the responsibility to keep that freedom is paramount to all in the US, it means that you support the right for some jack ass to say things you find morally or ethically objectionable, that goes against everything you believe in.

In other words, you may not agree with a damn thing they have to say, but you do believe they have the right to say it.

The issue is that in today's press, certain right and left leaning outlets twist the facts or flat out lie about what was said or what was meant. A good example was the 'Death Panels' during the health care reform debate. No such clause existed, but that did not stop every right wing mouth piece from claiming they did.

It did not stop MSNBC talking heads from making absurd and far fetched claims about right wing politicians or prominent conservatives.

The simple truth is that the news media on both sides makes twisting the facts part of reporting, even if it means twisting them to the point they have no connection to any truth whatsoever.

Of course, it does not help that the majority of Americans have so little grasp on truth, or the motivation to find out the facts for themselves. The average American is perfectly happy letting some over paid celebrity anchor person do their thinking for them at the will of what every political party they support.

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RE: The Lefties are Coming! The Lefties are Coming! Lef... - 2/20/2017 10:41:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bounty44

have shared things like this before, seems like a fitting place for it again:

Liberal vs. Conservative Values

Liberal and conservative values in conflict

If you listen to liberal or conservative commentators exclusively, you may think there’s only one correct point of view, and the other end of the political spectrum is populated by wackos, evil schemers, and fools. It’s comfortable to think that truth resides exclusively on your side of the divide—but let’s try a mental experiment. Let’s assume that most people, whatever their politics, sincerely believe in their ideals, and that those ideals aren’t all misguided. Let’s look across the chasm and try to see what those other people are thinking.

[Note: Not all liberals and conservatives would agree with every tenet listed here—but these are the beliefs that generally define the two groups.]


That would be your ignorant unsubstantiated opinion and worth less than the price of used shit paper.

On the social safety net

The liberal view
• There are people in this world who need help. They struggle to put food on the table, or can’t afford medical care—and many of them live in the United States. A civilized society would try to help them, instead of leaving them to fend for themselves. (Someday, the one who needs a helping hand may be you, or someone you love. All it takes is a serious illness, an injury, a lay-off, or a death in the family.)

The conservative view
• People are responsible for themselves—and, given the chance,

Now there is the rub and your first half truth in search of a whole lie to support. The fact is that everybody is not given an equal chance.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.



they’re capable of supporting themselves and their families. If the government makes a practice of providing for people (with welfare, for example), they become weak and dependent, and lose their will to work.


And here is the whole lie. What percentage of people who are on welfare stay there generation after genetration?


Nothing could be more destructive to the health of our society.

Lack of education would seem to be the more destructive and not the providing of a free education.

On wealth, taxes, and the role of government

The conservative view
• Government should serve the people—not the other way around.

This is what you claim liberals want, Isnt that the government serving the people?
The proper function of government is to solve problems: to reduce poverty, protect civil rights and civil liberties, keep us safe from preventable harm, and, as much as possible, ensure that all Americans have an equal chance to succeed.


• “That government is best which governs least.” In business, this means letting the free market (the most efficient economic system ever devised)

Where does a free market exist besides in your head. The amerikan economy is controlled by capitlaist who's primary goal is increasing market share to achieve monopoly
Monopoly is not free enterprise.


generate wealth without a heavy hand trying to direct it.

Which heavy hand are you speaking of? Is it requiring handrails on stairways? Is it puitting weight and speed limits on comercial trucks?


• Governments tend to grow like snowballs rolling downhill. We must work to reverse this trend, or the government will expand and intrude on our lives even more than it does now.

I have asked you before to be specific as to how the government intrudes on your life so far only rhetoric and platitudes.


• “A rising tide lifts all boats.” When we allow the most dynamic, successful members of society to do what they do best, they create jobs and general prosperity.

More platitudes but so far you have yet to give us one example of how minimum wage jobs help anybody except the employer.


In other words, lowering taxes benefits everyone.

That is an opinion that is not substantiated by fact.



The best way to improve America’s standard of living is to let people pursue their own goals, and reduce the bureaucratic obstacles that stand in their way.

Which bureaucratic obsticals would those be?




• The legitimate functions of our national government are to provide security through a strong defense and to protect freedom for the individual, so that people can pursue their own goals.


That would mean that the government had no right paying to have a transcontinental railroad?
The government had no right to subsidize the steel industry?
The government had no right to acquire any land outside the original 13 states?
The government had no right to set up a post office?
The government had no right to create a national highway system?
The government had no right set up the center for diesese control?
The government had no right to sell the mineral rights of amerika to individuals?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.



• Private property means that what belongs to you is yours;

You have no rights to property you acquire by force or fraud.


if the government confiscates your property, that’s tyranny.


The constitution gives the government the right to tax you. If you do not believe in the consatitution of amerika then get the phoque out of my country.



Our most productive citizens—the top 10% of earners—

By what stretch of gramar and logic do you equate productivity with earnings. Labor produces, investors do not.



already pay 68% of the tax revenues collected.





Cite please.


These rates should be cut, not raised.





• No one has an obligation to help a stranger involuntarily.


Your buddy jesus says you are a phoquing liare.


Charity should be a personal decision.

Your personal decision seems pretty obvious.


Encouraging voluntary giving would be better for America’s soul than seizing our money against our will, for purposes we don’t approve of.


By that logic pacifist should not have to pay for the military


The liberal view
• The proper function of government is to solve problems: to reduce poverty, protect civil rights and civil liberties, keep us safe from preventable harm, and, as much as possible, ensure that all Americans have an equal chance to succeed.


Which you declared above the government is to serve the people so conservatives and liberals are of one mind on this suibject.


• We aren’t isolated individuals, struggling for survival: we live together, in a society. Ignoring the problems around us is a narrow-minded way to live. A society in which everyone has enough is better than a society where some are rich and others starve.


Since you claim to be a conservative you would be in favor of people starving and their only relief would be your generosity. You are a christian aren't you?



• There isn’t enough charity to take care of everyone who needs it; therefore, government has an important role to play.


If you were ever to have access to a history book written for someone beyond the fifth grade you would know that private cahrity has never in the history of the world been sufficient.



The alternative is letting people go hungry, homeless, or without medical care, and that’s not acceptable in a country with as much wealth as ours.



You seem to be quite comfortable with people starving.

• Large corporations, if unregulated, will do whatever they think will maximize profits, even if that wreaks havoc on the environment or on the welfare of ordinary citizens. Even the most courageous individual can’t prevent or stop corporate abuses; only the government has the power to do that.


What prevents corporations from poluting the air and water? What is their track record without government control?


• If the government can help create job opportunities during a time of high unemployment (as it did during the Great Depression), that’s a perfect use of tax dollars.

Do you agree with nasa or should it have been a private enterprise from the git go?

On war and defense

The liberal view
• War means violence against innocent people, death and injury to young soldiers, and more pain and suffering than the news ever shows. We’re too quick to use our armed forces.

The conservative view
• There are violent people in this world, who hate this country and mean us harm. We have a right and a responsibility to defend ourselves.


Which war that amerika has been in was not for profit?


This is true on the national level, and on the personal level. If someone wants to keep a gun in the house to defend against intruders, that’s his or her right, and it’s guaranteed by our Constitution.

By this logic the government has no right to create a police department since you have a gun and you don't need the government extortiong money from you for cops you do not need.

On families

The conservative view
• The family is the primary unit of society, and a sacred institution. People don’t have the right to define the word family any way they please, and to demand legal recognition for their personal preference.
• Officially recognizing a same-sex relationship as a marriage violates the moral and religious beliefs of millions of Americans.


The constitution speaks directly to freedom of association and the freedom of religion. If you choose to worship a pig phoquer that is your constitutional right.

The liberal view
• Not every family resembles the traditional model. Many include only one parent; others have two parents of the same gender. These are families, too, and deserve the same respect and recognition that traditional families receive.
• Sexual orientation is inborn, not a sinful choice. When heterosexual people get to know gay coworkers and neighbors, they usually learn to accept this, and move beyond anti-gay prejudice.
• Many families are under stress as never before, due to divorce, unemployment, financial strains, and disabilities. Instead of paying lip service to family values, our society needs to help families that are struggling.


Are you saying that conservatives are required to eschew christian charity as preached your imnaginary friend jesus?



On immigration

The liberal view
• Unless you’re a Native American, your ancestors came from somewhere else. As much as possible, we should welcome immigrants, who come here to escape poverty and oppression, instead of treating them like criminals.

The conservative view
• Past generations of immigrants came here legally;

Which people from 1492 until 1789 came to amerika legally? Which native amerikan gave them visas or green cards?



most present immigrants broke the law by entering the U.S.


Which law is that? Is it a misdomeanor or a felony?


, and therefore don’t have the right to be here, let alone to use social services that the rest of us have to pay for.

How is it possible to live in amerika and not pay for the social services that exist here. Unless you are living under a bridge you pay property tax which pays for schools. If you work you pay income tax and social security tax. If your employer does not remit those taxes to the government then the employer is a criminal felon. If you are driving on the highway you pay road tax on the gasoline you use.




• There aren’t enough jobs in the U.S. for our legal citizens.

If theat were true there would be no h1b visas.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.



Much as we might like to welcome newcomers, we have to draw the line somewhere.


You want to draw it across mexicans but not across europeans or canadians. The imigration quota for mexico is 5000 per year yet we allow nearly a half million from europe and canada.
You either ignorant or two faced or perhaps both.



We must secure our borders.


The penality for hiring someone who crosses the border illegally is $250,000 and five years in the federal slam fort each offense. Enforce thqat law and there will be no illeghals employed in amerika.

On the environment

The conservative view
• The earth is ours to use responsibly. Some people make a religion out of preserving wild lands,

Like theodore rosevelt?


but they don’t realize how much of the earth remains untouched. We’re nowhere near using it up.

Rivers that catch on fire, Water that will kill you, air that will kill you...were these phenomena created by tree huggers or industrualist?



• When clean energy can compete with fossil fuels in the marketplace—i.e., when it becomes affordable—then it may be widely adopted. Forcing people to pay a premium for “environmentally correct” energy is the wrong way to go.

Coal oil gas were subsidized to replace horses. Nuclear is subsidized to replace oil gas and coal. All of those energy sources polute our environment and cost money. Solar tidal and wind power are free.



The liberal view
• Our health, and our children’s, depends on the quality of the air we breathe and the water we drink. The environment is infinitely precious—and it’s not infinitely capable of healing itself. We need to protect our air and water from pollution,


Is it your position that conservatives think that the environment should be poluted?





and to preserve unspoiled wilderness from thoughtless development.


Is it your position that yosimite should be sold to developers for condos?



On overcoming racism

The liberal view
• The difference in income between white people and African-Americans is still significant, and directly linked to centuries of oppression. We haven’t overcome the legacy of slavery yet. Even if we can point to successful individuals, there’s still a long way to go.

The conservative view
• Past injustices are in the past.

If that is in the past then why do people of color make up a disproportinate fraction of the poor?
Why do people of color make up a disproportinate fraction of our prison population?




Current law protects equal rights for all races,

Do you have a right to a job that is protected by those laws?
Do you have a right to live in the house of your choice that is protected by those laws?
Do you have a right to go to go to the school of your choice that is protected by those laws?




and it’s up to individuals to work hard and succeed according to their abilities.





There is no longer a need to tip the balance in minorities’ favor to make up for what happened long ago.


Why?


To do so is reverse discrimination, and creates new injustices.

If you crash your car into another asre you not required to make that person whole or is that an injustice and an impingement on your right to do as you choose?

On women

The conservative view
• Women are biologically different from men. To pretend otherwise is a mistake. Of course women should be free to pursue careers if they wish—but they should also be respected for choosing to take on the traditional roles of wife, mother, and homemaker.



This imphatically states that liberals do not believe that a women can be wives,mothers or homemakers.
Are you really that phoquing stupid?


The liberal view
• Women deserve the same rights and opportunities that society grants to men. We’ve made progress, but when it comes to income and representation in elected offices, equality is still far off.


Why do you think that women do not have the same rights as men?

On prayer in schools

The liberal view
• Not everyone in every classroom has the same religious beliefs. Forcing every child to say the same prayer, or any prayer at all, amounts to coercion. Our Founding Fathers were careful to protect the religious freedom of minorities by making religion a private matter, separate from government.

The conservative view
• The Founding Fathers were not atheists.

Some were and some like samuel adams wanted a theocracy



To forbid as innocent and commendable an act as praying in school for fear of offending a small number of people goes beyond separation of church and state, into the realm of suppressing religion.


Prayer is not prohibited in religious schools that are funded by their parishioners. Public schools are paid for by the taxpayers.

On abortion

The conservative view
• Life begins at conception.

Some religious people who have never taken biology believe that. Conservatives who have a three digit i.q., a pulse and a working knowledge of biology do not.



No matter how inconvenient the pregnancy is for the mother, killing the unborn child is murder. If she can’t raise the child herself, adoption is the ethical alternative.
• Young people need to understand that sex is how people reproduce, and if they’re not ready to have babies, they shouldn’t have sex. Those who seek pleasure irresponsibly will eventually have to face the consequences.

Humans,cestacians and some monkeys are the only cratures on theplanet who do sex just because it is fun. Only the lower animals and morons do sex only for procreation
Jesus you are phoquying stupid.


The liberal view
• What begins at conception is not a human life but a process of development that culminates in the birth of a person. If a young girl or a woman becomes pregnant but isn’t prepared to be a mother, or to go through the process of bearing a child, she has the right to end the pregnancy. A fetus is not a baby.
• If you outlaw abortion, women will still abort unwanted pregnancies, as they have for centuries—and many of them will be injured in the process, for lack of qualified medical care.
• You can lecture teenagers forever about abstinence, but biology is stronger than lectures. Most people have sex by age 18, long before they want children. No sermons can change that. But we can reduce the number of abortions performed in the U.S. by teaching teens about birth control and making it easily available. That’s the ethical alternative.


Many conservatives believe the same thing...how many illigitimate bastards had donald trump fathered?





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Yes. We're going to destroy freedom...


I think so

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and America.


eventually that too yes

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Because we hate liberty


I agree

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and values.


no, but you value things that set you at enmity with an awful lot of people and you don't respect theirs. and for the most part, our competing values are irreconcilable.

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You "OMG I see Leftist People" don't see a hint of hysteria in your monotonous ramblings?


the only "hysteria" I see is you and your fellow comrades over trump, day in, day out, all day long. there are at least a half dozen of you who have the temperance of a 14yr old girl at a david Cassidy concert.




I know. You live in your own little invented bubble of counter-reality. You've made that clear on multiple occasions.

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Actually you hate individuality and anyone who doesn't support your insane ideas.

The central uniting theme of the lunatic left is their autocratic desire to curb freedom of speech.




Seriously?

The liberal ACLU has fought more cases on just that topic than anything else.

Curb freedom of speech seems a bit much for a political movement that supported the right to burn the US flag as just that, freedom of speech.

While I personally do not agree with burning the flag in protest, it is a form of expression and thus protected under the first amendment.

Need I remind you that it was the conservatives who pushed through laws that allowed for the attempted prosecution of Larry Flint on pornography charges, it was a liberal lawyer who fought against those charges.

Of course you have a president who refers to any media outlet other than FOX as enemies of the American people, which clearly is an attack on the freedom of speech and the press.

The issue is not curbing the freedom of speech, but more of shutting down anyone that speaks in direct opposition of what you or someone else believes.

Freedom of speech and the responsibility to keep that freedom is paramount to all in the US, it means that you support the right for some jack ass to say things you find morally or ethically objectionable, that goes against everything you believe in.

In other words, you may not agree with a damn thing they have to say, but you do believe they have the right to say it.

The issue is that in today's press, certain right and left leaning outlets twist the facts or flat out lie about what was said or what was meant. A good example was the 'Death Panels' during the health care reform debate. No such clause existed, but that did not stop every right wing mouth piece from claiming they did.

It did not stop MSNBC talking heads from making absurd and far fetched claims about right wing politicians or prominent conservatives.

The simple truth is that the news media on both sides makes twisting the facts part of reporting, even if it means twisting them to the point they have no connection to any truth whatsoever.

Of course, it does not help that the majority of Americans have so little grasp on truth, or the motivation to find out the facts for themselves. The average American is perfectly happy letting some over paid celebrity anchor person do their thinking for them at the will of what every political party they support.

Yeah, he's another one for straw man realities.

It always amazes me how many people who want to wrap themselves in the flag hold positions counter to the values in the Constitution.

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Yes. We're going to destroy freedom and America.

Because we hate liberty and values.


Who is we?


We is the alt left progressive conservative liberal republican socialists.

Well said.

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People are responsible for themselves—and, given the chance, they’re capable of supporting themselves and their families. If the government makes a practice of providing for people (with welfare, for example), they become weak and dependent, and lose their will to work. Nothing could be more destructive to the health of our society.

There is no economy in history that has been able to provide full employment for all. Even slave economies have had their idlers.

The libertarian admonishment is often tinged with a bit of: they are poor because they are lazy, shiftless, immoral, undeserving, subhuman, etc. There is more than a suspicion that this "survival of the fittest" attitude was born of the Eugenics movement that was so highly popular the first 30 years of the last century. Social Darwinism is still with us.

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Actually you hate individuality and anyone who doesn't support your insane ideas.

The central uniting theme of the lunatic left is their autocratic desire to curb freedom of speech.




Seriously?

The liberal ACLU has fought more cases on just that topic than anything else.

Curb freedom of speech seems a bit much for a political movement that supported the right to burn the US flag as just that, freedom of speech.

While I personally do not agree with burning the flag in protest, it is a form of expression and thus protected under the first amendment.

Need I remind you that it was the conservatives who pushed through laws that allowed for the attempted prosecution of Larry Flint on pornography charges, it was a liberal lawyer who fought against those charges.

Of course you have a president who refers to any media outlet other than FOX as enemies of the American people, which clearly is an attack on the freedom of speech and the press.

The issue is not curbing the freedom of speech, but more of shutting down anyone that speaks in direct opposition of what you or someone else believes.

Freedom of speech and the responsibility to keep that freedom is paramount to all in the US, it means that you support the right for some jack ass to say things you find morally or ethically objectionable, that goes against everything you believe in.

In other words, you may not agree with a damn thing they have to say, but you do believe they have the right to say it.

The issue is that in today's press, certain right and left leaning outlets twist the facts or flat out lie about what was said or what was meant. A good example was the 'Death Panels' during the health care reform debate. No such clause existed, but that did not stop every right wing mouth piece from claiming they did.

It did not stop MSNBC talking heads from making absurd and far fetched claims about right wing politicians or prominent conservatives.

The simple truth is that the news media on both sides makes twisting the facts part of reporting, even if it means twisting them to the point they have no connection to any truth whatsoever.

Of course, it does not help that the majority of Americans have so little grasp on truth, or the motivation to find out the facts for themselves. The average American is perfectly happy letting some over paid celebrity anchor person do their thinking for them at the will of what every political party they support.
There's a difference between liberal and leftist.

Liberal defense of freedom of speech is aligned with the fundamentals of the constitution. The lunatic Leftists of today simply engage in censorship by labeling opposing views as "hate speech" and attempting to use a misappropriated moral high ground to justify their censorship.

99.9% of the time when you hear the words "hate speech", what you're actually hearing is a Leftist attempting to attack freedom of speech by censoring someone with which they disagree.

Again, this highlights the difference between Liberal and Leftist. Most of the left-wing people in here are part of the Lunatic, fact-free, reality-denying anti-free speech fascists who promote a virulent ideology which does not allow dissent. They are not - repeat NOT - liberals.


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