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Look at what's happening in Trump's America - 2/25/2017 1:34:58 AM

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Trump supporters keep making America great:

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article134459444.html

Good guy with a gun defends his country from Indian aviation engineers who he believes to be Islamic terrorists. 1 dead, 2 wounded.

MAGA!

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RE: Look at what's happening in Trump's America - 2/25/2017 1:58:09 AM

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I feel like the problem is that's what happens in a gun country. Inevitable a tiny minority of people will make wrong judgement with guns.

Not a Trump problem.

And the 2nd Amendment Protects the right to bear arms.

It's the same problem with when Obama was President, and then, there was all these police shooting black people unnecessarily because they felt more scared of black people.

Interestingly, where is "Black Lives Matter" now?

Don't forget, even Pokemon Go caused kids to get shot dead for breaking into homes to catch Pokemon.

That's USA and the consequences of guns everywhere.

Ya gotta be careful not to make people afraid, or they might over react and shoot you.

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RE: Look at what's happening in Trump's America - 2/25/2017 2:27:02 AM

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Trump supporters keep making America great:

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article134459444.html

Good guy with a gun defends his country from Indian aviation engineers who he believes to be Islamic terrorists. 1 dead, 2 wounded.

MAGA!

God, how depressing. I can imagine the dead man's family back in India saying, 'Why on earth did he want to go and live and work in that primitive shithole in the first place?'

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RE: Look at what's happening in Trump's America - 2/25/2017 3:03:22 AM

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God, how depressing. I can imagine the dead man's family back in India saying, 'Why on earth did he want to go and live and work in that primitive shithole in the first place?'

Highly unlikely. Most Indians wanna be anywhere but India.

It's worst in their own country. Where they got class system and anybody not rich is treated like scum. And the whole country openly discriminate against their dark skinned Indians. And treat their fairer skinned Indians like God.

Racism is funny there, since both are Indians. Just one South and one North, with polarizing skin colours.

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RE: Look at what's happening in Trump's America - 2/25/2017 3:48:56 AM

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Greta I find it really amazing the lengths you go to when dismissing events like this as not connected to Trump and what he represents, while also generalizing the hell out of Muslims, proclaiming them the enemy and claiming to know all about everything each of them thinks and wants on a daily basis.

Obviously Islamophobia isn't purely Trump's fault, but he is definitely pouring gas on the fire... the same thing goes for Islamic terrorists and Muslims. Actively dividing people isn't going to make things better, it is going to make things WORSE.

If you want to blame something, blame that mindset that refuses to see people as individuals and wants to label everyone the enemy simply because they're different and you don't understand them.

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RE: Look at what's happening in Trump's America - 2/25/2017 4:17:13 AM

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I do see Muslims as individuals.

They CHOSE a certain ideology. And yes they can be judged by their ideology.

Just like by being a Trump Supporter, I will be judged in a certain way.

Because I chose to support Trump's ideology. Because he is not going to pretend that Islam isn't a problem in this world and keep up that lie.

It's like people's beliefs matter.

It matters to you as well.

End of the day. Religion and Politics. Same shit. They are both ideologies. Would people follow a religion if everything in THAT religion is AGAINST their personal ethics and beliefs?

I have assume there are many horrible things that Islam is promoting is NOT against the person's personal ethics and beliefs when they chose to go with that religion.

And yes, it paints a rather bad picture of the things they believe in to me.

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RE: Look at what's happening in Trump's America - 2/25/2017 4:20:58 AM

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Greta I find it really amazing the lengths you go to when dismissing events like this as not connected to Trump and what he represents, while also generalizing the hell out of Muslims, proclaiming them the enemy and claiming to know all about everything each of them thinks and wants on a daily basis.

Obviously Islamophobia isn't purely Trump's fault, but he is definitely pouring gas on the fire... the same thing goes for Islamic terrorists and Muslims. Actively dividing people isn't going to make things better, it is going to make things WORSE.

If you want to blame something, blame that mindset that refuses to see people as individuals and wants to label everyone the enemy simply because they're different and you don't understand them.

Oh if only people saw others as people and not as Muslim, Black, Gay, rich, poor, fat, thin Just think what a better world there would be. It will never happen but we can dream.

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RE: Look at what's happening in Trump's America - 2/25/2017 4:22:37 AM

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Being Black, Gay, Rich, poor, fat and thin, are less about choices. I mean, you cannot choose whether you are born poor or rich, if you are born fat or skinny. There are fat babies. And underweight babies.

Being Muslim is a simple CHOICE. In a world where freedom of religion exists.

Every baby born to me, have free will to choose another religion when they grow up.

So if a full grown adult STILL chooses to be a Muslim.

I can't respect their beliefs. Sorry. I do not support female spousal violence as part of their encouraged ideology.

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RE: Look at what's happening in Trump's America - 2/25/2017 4:44:07 AM

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I do see Muslims as individuals.

They CHOSE a certain ideology. And yes they can be judged by their ideology.

Just like by being a Trump Supporter, I will be judged in a certain way.

Because I chose to support Trump's ideology. Because he is not going to pretend that Islam isn't a problem in this world and keep up that lie.

It's like people's beliefs matter.

It matters to you as well.

End of the day. Religion and Politics. Same shit. They are both ideologies. Would people follow a religion if everything in THAT religion is AGAINST their personal ethics and beliefs?

I have assume there are many horrible things that Islam is promoting is NOT against the person's personal ethics and beliefs when they chose to go with that religion.

And yes, it paints a rather bad picture of the things they believe in to me.

Trump doesn't have an ideology, except maybe some stumbled upon derivation of fascism. His ideology is himself as president because he think he's awesome. He says whatever people want to hear because he thinks that is the way to make people love him. If you think he knows what he's doing, you don't understand him.

The problem isn't Islam, it's that certain Muslims think that being Muslim means America is their enemy.
The problem isn't Americans, it's that certain Americans think that being American means Islam is their enemy.

It's the same faulty logic, and it's coming from both sides.

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RE: Look at what's happening in Trump's America - 2/25/2017 5:04:29 AM

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Highly unlikely. Most Indians wanna be anywhere but India.

Why is it that when you open your mouth only shit comes out?

It's worst in their own country. Where they got class system and anybody not rich is treated like scum.

That sounds just like that third world shithole called singapore where the poverty rate is about 30% When that third world shithole called singapore is compared to india with a poverty rate of less than half.
Then of course we have nampa idaho with a poverty rate about halfway in between india and that third world shithole called singapore.
Poverty level: Approximately 20 percent of Nampa households have incomes below poverty level.

Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

https://thehearttruths.com/2013/10/28/poverty-in-singapore-grew-from-16-in-2002-to-28-in-2013/

http://www.indiaspend.com/cover-story/indias-poverty-rate-falls-to-12-4-electricity-plays-big-role-20364

http://www.census.gov/library/publications/2016/demo/p60-256.html

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RE: Look at what's happening in Trump's America - 2/25/2017 5:11:25 AM

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Your links doesn't disprove what I have been saying about India. About skin colour Racism among themselves and Class snobbery.

But as usual, you are full of shit self-proclaim expert about Singapore when your last visit here was in the freaking 1960's when it was a shithole then, ran by British too.

Comparing Poverty in Singapore to Poverty in India. Is like comparing Poverty in Switzerland to Poverty in Africa.

Our Poverty still means, 3 meals a day. Roof above their head.

India poverty means, living below $2 per day, homelessness.

Singapore Poverty means, living below $10 per day. And this is AFTER paying for all the expenses, and pure spending money and having roof on their heads.

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RE: Look at what's happening in Trump's America - 2/25/2017 5:16:26 AM

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The problem isn't Islam, it's that certain Muslims think that being Muslim means America is their enemy.

So the problem isn't Nazism. It's just that certain Nazis think that Jews are their enemies?

Okay..... your logic.

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RE: Look at what's happening in Trump's America - 2/25/2017 5:18:31 AM

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Being Black, Gay, Rich, poor, fat and thin, are less about choices.

One does not have much choice about how they are born.

I mean, you cannot choose whether you are born poor or rich, if you are born fat or skinny. There are fat babies. And underweight babies.

On the other hand one does have a choice about how fat they are.
If you are not happy being fat then stop being fat. If you are happy being fat then stop trying to rationalize your obesity and embrace it.
There are many in my family who are samoan. Samoan women are proud of their girth and would never consider trying to emulate the "stick figures" that are presented to them in the media.

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RE: Look at what's happening in Trump's America - 2/25/2017 5:27:27 AM

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On the other hand one does have a choice about how fat they are.

Being fat is not a choice for everybody. I totally disagree with this statement. Explain to me, why Serena Williams, works so hard, and ends up bigger than all other athletes in her same sport?
It's just her genes. I am sure she is eating right and exercising right. But no use. She does not have the leaner frame like her sister Venus. I mean, even two girls born from the same mother, turn out to be so different in body sizes. Serena could never be as slim as Venus. I am sure both ladies are on the same diet and regiment.

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RE: Look at what's happening in Trump's America - 2/25/2017 5:31:02 AM

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The problem isn't Islam, it's that certain Muslims think that being Muslim means America is their enemy.

So the problem isn't Nazism. It's just that certain Nazis think that Jews are their enemies?

Okay..... your logic.

If Nazis didn't think Jews were the enemy, the holocaust wouldn't have happened.

That doesn't mean Nazism doesn't have other issues... but I think everyone would agree that the holocaust was the worst thing about Nazism.

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RE: Look at what's happening in Trump's America - 2/25/2017 5:43:42 AM

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If Nazis didn't think Jews were the enemy, the holocaust wouldn't have happened.

That doesn't mean Nazism doesn't have other issues... but I think everyone would agree that the holocaust was the worst thing about Nazism.

IF Islam religious text did not promote all the subjugating of females. Many Muslim countries wouldn't be oppressing their women. Same thing.

So if Nazis movement grew to 1.6billion worldwide, I think we all should be very concern.

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RE: Look at what's happening in Trump's America - 2/25/2017 6:01:37 AM

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IF Islam religious text did not promote all the subjugating of females. Many Muslim countries wouldn't be oppressing their women. Same thing.

Religious texts have multiple interpretations... that is why some Christians are absolutely unforgivable hate mongers and some Christians are totally cool. Their peer groups, as well as the society they're living in set the standard for what is acceptable.

I guarantee that if the die-hard Trump supporters knew they could get away with it and it was supported by the government and the people around them, they would be slaughtering Muslims as we speak. I am certain that Bosco, respectmen, tamaka and probably you would support a Final Solution-type resolution if you knew it wasn't going to get the reaction you know it would get from other people... even if you weren't carrying it out yourself, you would support it if it was socially acceptable to do so. I know because you all have the same mindlessly fearful and hateful mentality.

If Nazi Germany had promoted love and compassion instead of hatred and racism, they wouldn't have done all of those horrible things and Nazism wouldn't be associated with evil.

Bannon's 'vision' for society is just as toxic and hateful as those of societies that persecute gays, women, etc. In fact, the two have a lot more in common than you apparently realize.

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So if Nazis movement grew to 1.6billion worldwide, I think we all should be very concern.

Yes, and Trump is aligned with all of the authoritarian far right movements spearheaded by Putin and sweeping across Europe right now-- all of them are very scary and all of them should be actively, passionately resisted.

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RE: Look at what's happening in Trump's America - 2/25/2017 7:15:06 AM

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Why is it that when you open your mouth only shit comes out?

That sounds just like that third world shithole called singapore where the poverty rate is about 30% When that third world shithole called singapore is compared to india with a poverty rate of less than half.
Then of course we have nampa idaho with a poverty rate about halfway in between india and that third world shithole called singapore.
Poverty level: Approximately 20 percent of Nampa households have incomes below poverty level.

Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

https://thehearttruths.com/2013/10/28/poverty-in-singapore-grew-from-16-in-2002-to-28-in-2013/

http://www.indiaspend.com/cover-story/indias-poverty-rate-falls-to-12-4-electricity-plays-big-role-20364

http://www.census.gov/library/publications/2016/demo/p60-256.html

Dear God this was ignorant.

You just compared a COUNTRY to 2 Cities.
An entire Country with a standing population of over 1 Billion individuals... to a City-State with a Population of 5 Million and a Township with a population of 80 Thousand.

What's more - The 'Line' which you are using to measure is by no means the same.

The Poverty line used in India is the World Bank minimum value of $1.90.
The Poverty line used in Singapore (when converted to dollar/hour rate) is $4.68
The poverty line used in the US (when converted to dollar/hour rate) $5.68

If you took the US Set 'Poverty Line' and applied it to India over 70% of the nation would be deemed to be 'living in poverty' As the average wage is ~$300 a month, while the poverty line for the US in the same time frame is ~450$/mo.

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RE: Look at what's happening in Trump's America - 2/25/2017 7:18:34 AM

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If Nazi Germany had promoted love and compassion instead of hatred

You are saying you are a Nazi

Because you promote hate all of the time

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RE: Look at what's happening in Trump's America - 2/25/2017 7:21:23 AM

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And you are saying you are a felchgobbling cockgargler, because you felchgobble and cockgargle all the time.

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