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Colin K - 3/3/2017 6:14:47 AM   
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Kaepernick no longer protesting now that he needs a job? Take a knee owners. Protest by instituting a hiring freeze.
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RE: Colin K - 3/3/2017 3:14:36 PM   
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Who? Lol

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RE: Colin K - 3/3/2017 8:51:34 PM   
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Exactly, footnote to football.

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RE: Colin K - 3/4/2017 10:16:15 AM   
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Everyone complained about violent black protests to the murder of black youths. Why can't you protest peacefully, they all complained.

See what happens when people protest peacefully?

When Gandhi led peaceful, civil disobedience protests in India to the lack of self rule, he was the first to say that peaceful protests were only possible because of the British. But had Germany owned India, only violence would have sufficed.

Unfortunately, we bear much greater resemblance to the worst Germans than we do to British nobility. I have come to the conclusion that only violence will suffice here too.

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RE: Colin K - 3/4/2017 10:44:38 AM   
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I have no argument with peaceful protest. Although to flaunt the anthem after so many of all races have given their lives for what it represents is an insult to their memory. It's his dedication to the "Issue that's bigger than football" and abandonment of said principles when it involves potential personal hardship regarding employment that I feel is hypocritical.
Gandhi he ain't.
I disagree with your statement we resemble the "worst Germans." Regardless of what party is in power at the Whitehouse and post loss Democratic frenzy this is still a nation of tolerance and opportunity for people of all races.

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RE: Colin K - 3/4/2017 5:32:24 PM   
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Actually, last year the tune was that he only protested because he didn't have a starting job. But now you want to switch it around that he isn't protesting because he doesn't have a starting job. (He will definitely have a job of whatever sort somewhere in the NFL).

What's your point, that anyone who protests something is bound to that for life, otherwise a hypocrite? You've proven your own hypocrisy well enough in the thread, so I suppose this is a situation of 'takes one to know one'.

Apparently you find numerous police shootings of unarmed citizens to not be an insult to their or their forebears' memory, but any protest against same to be "an insult to their memory."?

You can screw your head back around frontwards any time you like, punk.




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RE: Colin K - 3/4/2017 5:36:06 PM   
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Kaepernick no longer protesting now that he needs a job? Take a knee owners. Protest by instituting a hiring freeze.


And yes, this completely belongs in P&R, not here. You were just too chickenshit to post it there.

Punk.




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RE: Colin K - 3/4/2017 7:37:37 PM   
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Actually, last year the tune was that he only protested because he didn't have a starting job. But now you want to switch it around that he isn't protesting because he doesn't have a starting job. (He will definitely have a job of whatever sort somewhere in the NFL).


Whether he had or doesn't have a starting position is irrelevant to my post. Likewise his stats and playing ability.

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What's your point, that anyone who protests something is bound to that for life, otherwise a hypocrite? You've proven your own hypocrisy well enough in the thread, so I suppose this is a situation of 'takes one to know one'.


I applaud his initial efforts but has the injustice ceased? In my opinion he could have raised the flag of oppression with less emphasis on sensationalism. Professional athletes benefit society by their efforts off the field all the time. As for his "lifetime dedication" his words were and this a quote;
“I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses Black people and people of color. To me, this is bigger than football and it would be selfish on my part to look the other way. There are bodies in the street and people getting paid leave and getting away with murder.”
If you're going to put it to the world you're that incensed, that offended and that passionate about the injustices this country allows to happen against people of color ... Then yes I expect a little more than a one season grab at the spotlight. Is there still a Canadian league, maybe he can stand for their anthem because when he stands for ours this year I'm going to see some hypocrisy.

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Apparently you find numerous police shootings of unarmed citizens to not be an insult to their or their forebears' memory, but any protest against same to be "an insult to their memory."?


I absolutely do not find the shooting of unarmed, law-abiding, non threatening citizens of any race, creed or social standing in any country especially ours acceptable. The officers who for whatever reason willingly disregard the rights of those citizens should be prosecuted like anyone else. Don't kid yourself though, law abiding is the active term here.
Now, kudos to Colin, his white mother and adoptive white family for transcending the impoverished background his father of color left him in. They raised a dedicated young man who literally "ran with the ball" by receiving a decent education, excelling in his college/ professional football career and showing the world he has conviction. Overall he's proved a good example to many. The stalwart stance he opined last season seems decidedly less sincere now though.

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You can screw your head back around frontwards any time you like, punk.


I appreciate the suggestion but my head is on facing the right direction. Like Colin's adoptive parents, I helped to raise and continue to be an active, supporting, loving father to two very successful, intelligent, educated and beautiful bi racial children with many of the same convictions. One whom I am as proud of as the other, is pursuing a career in law to help set those injustices right. I'm no punk, I'm a father and I take as much pride in that title as any responsible father out there.
As for where I've posted, hey it pissed you off, I'm satisfied. Tell your friends it's here their opinions are welcome.
Btw, "Off the Grid" did you not get the reference to the "Gridiron?" I guess not, you fumbled that segue.
It's in the right place. For it to be in P&R it would have to be political or religious in nature. I wouldn't consider anything related to this issue political or religious. It about social injustice at it's core and one man's waning public dedication to a very strong stance on the issue. You should really read those descriptions.






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RE: Colin K - 3/4/2017 9:04:20 PM   
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I think my issue with him is that he decided that the place to express his opinion was while he was at work. His job is to keep the customers happy...ie: keep the fans tuning in, buying gear etc. The moment you stop doing that, you're a liability. (And honestly, with the NFL it varies from market to market) I think now he has realize that some of the teams aren't willing to tolerate alienating their fan base...he's decided to tone it down.

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RE: Colin K - 3/5/2017 9:14:09 AM   
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I hope the Jets pick him up.
That should be punishment enough.

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RE: Colin K - 3/5/2017 9:18:32 AM   
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I disagree with your statement we resemble the "worst Germans." Regardless of what party is in power at the Whitehouse and post loss Democratic frenzy this is still a nation of tolerance and opportunity for people of all races.


Unless you're Muslim or Hispanic. Or Gay or Trans. Or female in Oklahoma where women are no longer people, just hosts for fetuses.

Have you not seen the supposed lists of crimes committed by Muslims? A direct copy of Hitler's list of supposed crimes committed by Jews that was all lies. Or as you would say, an alternate fact.

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RE: Colin K - 3/5/2017 10:20:47 AM   
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No I haven't seen those lists. I do see the media blowing everything they can out of proportion to instill fear in the populace. I also see that butthurt segment of the Democratic party adding to the anti Trump/ Republican rhetoric. The guy is an asshole no doubt but he's still better than the alternatives that were provided (with the exception of Kasich in my opinion.)

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RE: Colin K - 3/18/2017 8:11:16 AM   
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good riddance .... he was a lousy player anyways and his kneeling just sealed it for me ...

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