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servantdaniel -> LISTEN UP COLLARSPACE PROPRIETORS (3/10/2017 3:42:45 AM)

This website is actually the worse life style website on the internet. It is outwardly a good looking website but in truth it is neglected for whatever reasons. The Advertisers have deserted you because you are more often offline than online. You do not invest sufficient money in staff or website maintenance. What is the point then in maintaining the websites existence. I am one of many thousands who think like this and so am not alone. I suggest that you improve the websites availability by updating its programming and systems analysis.

I realize that What I write will fall upon deaf ears but air my views nonetheless. I am also sure that you come into the website and check things out from time to time. There are the usual bunch of message board entusiasts that enjoy bullying and harassing others from the behind computer screens. Those that have their own clique of fellow members and resent any outsider expressing views they do not hold. Mr BAKU on fetlife recently took measures to clense his website of negative aspects and changed some policies. That website has never been down in its history unlike collarspace and its predecessor collarme. Bad business people should not be in business and incompetent owners should sell the website to a competent professional who can improve upon it and perhaps, make some money whilst keeping a loyal membership and clients. Stagnation and degeneration are not the answer so sell up and get out.




MsLadySue -> RE: LISTEN UP COLLARSPACE PROPRIETORS (3/10/2017 4:07:45 AM)

Keep in mind the Collarspace profile website and this Collarchat site are both free to use. The moderators of these sites do not get paid for their participation - they are volunteers.

It's the Collarspace profile site that is often unavailable, but why should the owner put time and effort into something that he provides free to the users? If I recall correctly, the owner is ill and his focus is definitely not on providing upgrades to make either site run more smoothly.

Fetlife has paid subscriptions so is not a good comparison to use when discussing Collarspace.

Buyer beware! You get what you pay for.




servantdaniel -> RE: LISTEN UP COLLARSPACE PROPRIETORS (3/10/2017 4:30:33 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MsLadySue

Keep in mind the Collarspace profile website and this Collarchat site are both free to use. The moderators of these sites do not get paid for their participation - they are volunteers.

It's the Collarspace profile site that is often unavailable, but why should the owner put time and effort into something that he provides free to the users? If I recall correctly, the owner is ill and his focus is definitely not on providing upgrades to make either site run more smoothly.

Fetlife has paid subscriptions so is not a good comparison to use when discussing Collarspace.

Buyer beware! You get what you pay for.


I have indeed kept that in mind but that is no excuse for running a bad website. Others have free use and volunteer moderators and treat their members better and maintain the websites in good order.




MsLadySue -> RE: LISTEN UP COLLARSPACE PROPRIETORS (3/10/2017 4:46:38 AM)

People have been complaining about the same things for as many years as I've used Collarspace, obviously the owner doesn't care. That leaves two options, stay and tolerate what ticks you off or use a site that better suits your needs.




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: LISTEN UP COLLARSPACE PROPRIETORS (3/10/2017 5:49:37 AM)

I would like to pick this apart...

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantdaniel
This website is actually the worse life style website on the internet.

Actually, for what it is, I find it one of the better ones despite all its problems.

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantdaniel
It is outwardly a good looking website but in truth it is neglected for whatever reasons.

This topic has been raised many times - and answered.
You obviously can't be assed to go look.

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantdaniel
The Advertisers have deserted you because you are more often offline than online.

Really?? I'm not finding that at all.
I'm on here more than most and I can count downtime as much less than Yahoo Mail is.
As for adverts, they are there every day come rain or shine.

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantdaniel
You do not invest sufficient money in staff or website maintenance. What is the point then in maintaining the websites existence.

Because it makes him money.
Why else does anyone have a website??

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantdaniel
I am one of many thousands who think like this and so am not alone.

Thousands? Really????

You and a handfull maybe.
If you discount those that get banned, it's probably not into 3 digits.

If you hate it so much, why the fuck are you here... griping??
Don't like it?? Ask for a refund and delete your account.

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantdaniel
I suggest that you improve the websites availability by updating its programming and systems analysis.

Are you going to pay for all this work??

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantdaniel
I realize that What I write will fall upon deaf ears but air my views nonetheless.

You are entitled to have your views just like everyone else on here.

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantdaniel
I am also sure that you come into the website and check things out from time to time.

I doubt it.

All the while it runs, he doesn't bother.

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantdaniel
There are the usual bunch of message board entusiasts that enjoy bullying and harassing others from the behind computer screens. Those that have their own clique of fellow members and resent any outsider expressing views they do not hold.

Most of us respect other people's views.
We don't resent anyone who presents a coherent and cogent discussion.

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantdaniel
Mr BAKU on fetlife recently took measures to clense his website of negative aspects and changed some policies.

Good for him!!
And what the fuck has it got to do with this site??
It's not even aimed at the same audience.

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantdaniel
That website has never been down in its history unlike collarspace and its predecessor collarme.

So you say.
I'll have you know that I can't get Fet to actually work at all and never have been able to.
To me, Fet is permanently down and unusable.

At least CS works for the most part.

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantdaniel
Bad business people should not be in business and incompetent owners should sell the website to a competent professional who can improve upon it and perhaps, make some money whilst keeping a loyal membership and clients.

How would YOU like it if some jumped-up nerd declares you sell YOUR website because they don't like the way it's run. Huh???

How he runs it is none of your fucking business.
Don't like it?? Fuck off.

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantdaniel
Stagnation and degeneration are not the answer so sell up and get out.

That's been tried - he don't wanna sell it.


[/rant]




WickedsDesire -> RE: LISTEN UP COLLARSPACE PROPRIETORS (3/10/2017 6:47:39 AM)

ORIGINAL: servantdaniel
Mr BAKU on fetlife recently took measures to cleanse his website of negative aspects and changed some policies[/color]

He and his poorly chosen team did no such thing at all, all they did was create/enable detritus, or a curious concentrate errant and bad stereotypical in nature, in the main. I would have chosen the opposite direction. Persona non grata aside (me on there) you will find that site is being deserted...Again prophesized by me to the point of I long gave up.


I have never crossed paths with this site owner and that is a great shame. ..and he has never once inputted or asked what all users/genuine users wish/ to like…nor indeed the “collective”

I come here because of free speech and thought. I am not instructed what to say and by whom often by liars, enablers, cheats and fakes, lunatics on fetlife enabling their pown propaganda or shortcomings or outré lies - not them all obviously)…seems fair that me…and hell whom amongst us doesn’t like being tarred and feathered on the forums

Collarspace is the last of the first ones to remain free. But I know, as I will not speak for others, that the profile side and variables needs much improvement and nothing has been done in the last 10 years

fetish sites are limited by all means support here..and also try nookies place which is this https://www.datingkinky.com/ and if fet is so wonderful why are you not on that




servantdaniel -> RE: LISTEN UP COLLARSPACE PROPRIETORS (3/10/2017 7:35:45 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MsLadySue

People have been complaining about the same things for as many years as I've used Collarspace, obviously the owner doesn't care. That leaves two options, stay and tolerate what ticks you off or use a site that better suits your needs.


Indeed. That said it is difficult on most days to access any one part of the website or another. Checking by utilizing one of several website checkers usually confirms it is down more frequently that up.




servantdaniel -> RE: LISTEN UP COLLARSPACE PROPRIETORS (3/10/2017 7:39:04 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1

I would like to pick this apart...

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantdaniel
This website is actually the worse life style website on the internet.

Actually, for what it is, I find it one of the better ones despite all its problems.

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantdaniel
It is outwardly a good looking website but in truth it is neglected for whatever reasons.

This topic has been raised many times - and answered.
You obviously can't be assed to go look.

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantdaniel
The Advertisers have deserted you because you are more often offline than online.

Really?? I'm not finding that at all.
I'm on here more than most and I can count downtime as much less than Yahoo Mail is.
As for adverts, they are there every day come rain or shine.

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantdaniel
You do not invest sufficient money in staff or website maintenance. What is the point then in maintaining the websites existence.

Because it makes him money.
Why else does anyone have a website??

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantdaniel
I am one of many thousands who think like this and so am not alone.

Thousands? Really????

You and a handfull maybe.
If you discount those that get banned, it's probably not into 3 digits.

If you hate it so much, why the fuck are you here... griping??
Don't like it?? Ask for a refund and delete your account.

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantdaniel
I suggest that you improve the websites availability by updating its programming and systems analysis.

Are you going to pay for all this work??

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantdaniel
I realize that What I write will fall upon deaf ears but air my views nonetheless.

You are entitled to have your views just like everyone else on here.

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantdaniel
I am also sure that you come into the website and check things out from time to time.

I doubt it.

All the while it runs, he doesn't bother.

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantdaniel
There are the usual bunch of message board entusiasts that enjoy bullying and harassing others from the behind computer screens. Those that have their own clique of fellow members and resent any outsider expressing views they do not hold.

Most of us respect other people's views.
We don't resent anyone who presents a coherent and cogent discussion.

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantdaniel
Mr BAKU on fetlife recently took measures to clense his website of negative aspects and changed some policies.

Good for him!!
And what the fuck has it got to do with this site??
It's not even aimed at the same audience.

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantdaniel
That website has never been down in its history unlike collarspace and its predecessor collarme.

So you say.
I'll have you know that I can't get Fet to actually work at all and never have been able to.
To me, Fet is permanently down and unusable.

At least CS works for the most part.

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantdaniel
Bad business people should not be in business and incompetent owners should sell the website to a competent professional who can improve upon it and perhaps, make some money whilst keeping a loyal membership and clients.

How would YOU like it if some jumped-up nerd declares you sell YOUR website because they don't like the way it's run. Huh???

How he runs it is none of your fucking business.
Don't like it?? Fuck off.

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantdaniel
Stagnation and degeneration are not the answer so sell up and get out.

That's been tried - he don't wanna sell it.


[/rant]



In truth it is down to each persons own perception of the website. It is nowadays and for several years past, somewhat below par and problems are frequent. It was under the title collarme a far better website and only went down when they were changing something or putting up a advertisment. If the owner is ill and has no interest then he must sell the website and let others improve it.




servantdaniel -> RE: LISTEN UP COLLARSPACE PROPRIETORS (3/10/2017 7:43:36 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

ORIGINAL: servantdaniel
Mr BAKU on fetlife recently took measures to cleanse his website of negative aspects and changed some policies[/color]

He and his poorly chosen team did no such thing at all, all they did was create/enable detritus, or a curious concentrate errant and bad stereotypical in nature, in the main. I would have chosen the opposite direction. Persona non grata aside (me on there) you will find that site is being deserted...Again prophesized by me to the point of I long gave up.


I have never crossed paths with this site owner and that is a great shame. ..and he has never once inputted or asked what all users/genuine users wish/ to like…nor indeed the “collective”

I come here because of free speech and thought. I am not instructed what to say and by whom often by liars, enablers, cheats and fakes, lunatics on fetlife enabling their pown propaganda or shortcomings or outré lies - not them all obviously)…seems fair that me…and hell whom amongst us doesn’t like being tarred and feathered on the forums

Collarspace is the last of the first ones to remain free. But I know, as I will not speak for others, that the profile side and variables needs much improvement and nothing has been done in the last 10 years

fetish sites are limited by all means support here..and also try nookies place which is this https://www.datingkinky.com/ and if fet is so wonderful why are you not on that



You raise valid points from your own personal experience as do we all. What is needed though are dedicated owners who have some interest in making it profitable and a welcoming and very efficient website for life style people and those curious about life style activities. The thread was started to try to make the owner and staff aware of peoples opinions be they pro or anti concerning the neglect of the website.




LadyPact -> RE: LISTEN UP COLLARSPACE PROPRIETORS (3/10/2017 7:48:54 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantdaniel
The Advertisers have deserted you because you are more often offline than online.

You seem to think that's why some of the advertisers aren't here anymore, which isn't a correct perception. At least some of the advertisers split from here because they are reaching a wider audience elsewhere. That happened quite a while before the site was having the up again/down again issues that it does now. Fet just plain has more active members and more visibility for ads.


quote:

You do not invest sufficient money in staff or website maintenance. What is the point then in maintaining the websites existence. I am one of many thousands who think like this and so am not alone.

Do you have any way to verify this statement? One link where these "thousands" of people are stating this view will do. While there are people who are unhappy with the site's performance, there are just as many, (maybe even more so) who have split the site for other reasons.

quote:

I am also sure that you come into the website and check things out from time to time.

I find this highly unlikely. Anybody who thinks this hasn't paid that much attention over the years.

quote:

There are the usual bunch of message board entusiasts that enjoy bullying and harassing others from the behind computer screens. Those that have their own clique of fellow members and resent any outsider expressing views they do not hold.

Oh, bullsh^t. I get sick to death of this claim. Look, I'm sorry that people didn't pat you on the head for your so-called "different view". At the same time, it's just as possible that a person was a moron and the fact that they are kinky doesn't supersede that. It's like trying to use the "all-inclusive" mantra when a person walks into a munch and hasn't showered in five days, stinking of BO.

quote:

Mr BAKU on fetlife recently took measures to clense his website of negative aspects and changed some policies.

Obviously, you haven't been paying much attention.

The administration of FetLife removed a lot of content last month in the attempt to appease the CC companies to keep their merchant accounts. It was kind of a rehashing of "The Big Four" but this time, Visa wanted the removal of content about kinks such as blood play, hypnosis, and CnC.

You did catch the fact that such content is being restored, right?

As for negativity and cliques, depending on the group owner, which is NOT the same as Admin, I guess you haven't noticed that people on Fet aren't especially patting fantasists on the head, either. Spotting groups? Still there. Idiots who get taken down a peg? Still there. Profile Pitfalls? Still there.


quote:

That website has never been down in its history unlike collarspace and its predecessor collarme. Bad business people should not be in business and incompetent owners should sell the website to a competent professional who can improve upon it and perhaps, make some money whilst keeping a loyal membership and clients. Stagnation and degeneration are not the answer so sell up and get out.

Again, bullsh^t.

If you came into my house, trying to tell me that you didn't like how it was decorated, I'd tell you to piss off.

If there's so much money to be made, and you have the support of all of these thousands of people, why don't you start your own site? I mean, you have all of the answers. Rather than tell other people what they should do with their business, start your own.





needlesandpins -> RE: LISTEN UP COLLARSPACE PROPRIETORS (3/10/2017 8:10:56 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: servantdaniel

This website is actually the worse life style website on the internet. It is outwardly a good looking website but in truth it is neglected for whatever reasons. The Advertisers have deserted you because you are more often offline than online. You do not invest sufficient money in staff or website maintenance. What is the point then in maintaining the websites existence. I am one of many thousands who think like this and so am not alone. I suggest that you improve the websites availability by updating its programming and systems analysis.

I realize that What I write will fall upon deaf ears but air my views nonetheless. I am also sure that you come into the website and check things out from time to time. There are the usual bunch of message board entusiasts that enjoy bullying and harassing others from the behind computer screens. Those that have their own clique of fellow members and resent any outsider expressing views they do not hold. Mr BAKU on fetlife recently took measures to clense his website of negative aspects and changed some policies. That website has never been down in its history unlike collarspace and its predecessor collarme. Bad business people should not be in business and incompetent owners should sell the website to a competent professional who can improve upon it and perhaps, make some money whilst keeping a loyal membership and clients. Stagnation and degeneration are not the answer so sell up and get out.


Here ya go, Sweetie, please wash that before sticking back in your mouth. The floor is filthy around here.

[image]http://cdn.skim.gs/image/upload/v1456337943/msi/pacifier-nipple-confusion_cvb3ld.jpg[/image]

Needles




LadyPact -> RE: LISTEN UP COLLARSPACE PROPRIETORS (3/10/2017 8:30:47 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

ORIGINAL: servantdaniel
Mr BAKU on fetlife recently took measures to cleanse his website of negative aspects and changed some policies

He and his poorly chosen team did no such thing at all, all they did was create/enable detritus, or a curious concentrate errant and bad stereotypical in nature, in the main. I would have chosen the opposite direction. Persona non grata aside (me on there) you will find that site is being deserted...Again prophesized by me to the point of I long gave up.

Crock of sh^t.

There is no "poorly chosen" about it.

Those folks work damn hard. I've been to events where they(the CBs) can't so much as put their cell phones down to go to a munch or an event because they are constantly working.

quote:

I have never crossed paths with this site owner and that is a great shame. ..and he has never once inputted or asked what all users/genuine users wish/ to like…nor indeed the “collective”

I have.

A couple of years ago, I was on the 'input' team.

There were only a few dozen of us. Overwhelmingly, we wanted people out of real time events who were stalkers, abusers, and the like. Give the power to event organizers to remove RSVP status to those who had been banned.

quote:

I come here because of free speech and thought. I am not instructed what to say and by whom often by liars, enablers, cheats and fakes, lunatics on fetlife enabling their pown propaganda or shortcomings or outré lies - not them all obviously)…seems fair that me…and hell whom amongst us doesn’t like being tarred and feathered on the forums

How's that "show me your tits" baloney going for you?

quote:

Collarspace is the last of the first ones to remain free. But I know, as I will not speak for others, that the profile side and variables needs much improvement and nothing has been done in the last 10 years

GD it! The FSC doesn't say that you have permission to be a dick.

It doesn't mean that you get to say anything that happens to cross your head.

quote:

fetish sites are limited by all means support here..and also try nookies place which is this F https://www.datingkinky.com/ and if fet is so wonderful why are you not on that

You doing ok there?





stef -> RE: LISTEN UP COLLARSPACE PROPRIETORS (3/10/2017 10:45:27 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: servantdaniel

This website is actually the worse life style website on the internet.

Then why do you keep coming back with sockpuppet after sockpuppet after sockpuppet after...




servantdaniel -> RE: LISTEN UP COLLARSPACE PROPRIETORS (3/11/2017 3:10:36 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantdaniel
The Advertisers have deserted you because you are more often offline than online.

You seem to think that's why some of the advertisers aren't here anymore, which isn't a correct perception. At least some of the advertisers split from here because they are reaching a wider audience elsewhere. That happened quite a while before the site was having the up again/down again issues that it does now. Fet just plain has more active members and more visibility for ads.


quote:

You do not invest sufficient money in staff or website maintenance. What is the point then in maintaining the websites existence. I am one of many thousands who think like this and so am not alone.

Do you have any way to verify this statement? One link where these "thousands" of people are stating this view will do. While there are people who are unhappy with the site's performance, there are just as many, (maybe even more so) who have split the site for other reasons.

quote:

I am also sure that you come into the website and check things out from time to time.

I find this highly unlikely. Anybody who thinks this hasn't paid that much attention over the years.

quote:

There are the usual bunch of message board entusiasts that enjoy bullying and harassing others from the behind computer screens. Those that have their own clique of fellow members and resent any outsider expressing views they do not hold.

Oh, bullsh^t. I get sick to death of this claim. Look, I'm sorry that people didn't pat you on the head for your so-called "different view". At the same time, it's just as possible that a person was a moron and the fact that they are kinky doesn't supersede that. It's like trying to use the "all-inclusive" mantra when a person walks into a munch and hasn't showered in five days, stinking of BO.

quote:

Mr BAKU on fetlife recently took measures to clense his website of negative aspects and changed some policies.

Obviously, you haven't been paying much attention.

The administration of FetLife removed a lot of content last month in the attempt to appease the CC companies to keep their merchant accounts. It was kind of a rehashing of "The Big Four" but this time, Visa wanted the removal of content about kinks such as blood play, hypnosis, and CnC.

You did catch the fact that such content is being restored, right?

As for negativity and cliques, depending on the group owner, which is NOT the same as Admin, I guess you haven't noticed that people on Fet aren't especially patting fantasists on the head, either. Spotting groups? Still there. Idiots who get taken down a peg? Still there. Profile Pitfalls? Still there.


quote:

That website has never been down in its history unlike collarspace and its predecessor collarme. Bad business people should not be in business and incompetent owners should sell the website to a competent professional who can improve upon it and perhaps, make some money whilst keeping a loyal membership and clients. Stagnation and degeneration are not the answer so sell up and get out.

Again, bullsh^t.

If you came into my house, trying to tell me that you didn't like how it was decorated, I'd tell you to piss off.

If there's so much money to be made, and you have the support of all of these thousands of people, why don't you start your own site? I mean, you have all of the answers. Rather than tell other people what they should do with their business, start your own.



I say old Girl are you the website owners pussy pumping shagbag are just a misplaced loyalty woman? You defend the indefensible and I think you know the owner guy very well?




LadyPact -> RE: LISTEN UP COLLARSPACE PROPRIETORS (3/11/2017 7:35:22 AM)

Ah, someone who insults like they have the mentality of a twelve year old. How prestigious.

Go back to day care or be like the other mentally challenged people who threaten to sue the site.

Seriously? You don't have the balls to be a real man and have to hide behind sock puppets?


Coward.




angelikaJ -> RE: LISTEN UP COLLARSPACE PROPRIETORS (3/11/2017 8:10:21 AM)

Are you frustrated because in any of your numerous profiles you haven't found women to take your impossible profile seriously?

And then you childishly insult...?
Happy wondering.


(Hint: the common denominator is you)





MasterG2kTR -> RE: LISTEN UP COLLARSPACE PROPRIETORS (3/11/2017 10:50:46 AM)

Like all the other whiners [:(] that have come and gone before you.......you should ask for your money back first......then say goodbye




Spiritedsub2 -> RE: LISTEN UP COLLARSPACE PROPRIETORS (3/11/2017 1:15:38 PM)

Is there a rule in the wacko sock handbook that mandates the use of all capitals?




angelikaJ -> RE: LISTEN UP COLLARSPACE PROPRIETORS (3/11/2017 1:59:39 PM)

Page 67.




ResidentSadist -> RE: LISTEN UP COLLARSPACE PROPRIETORS (3/11/2017 10:36:53 PM)

Fetlife is a piece of shit that runs on Ruby on Rails and it crashes all the time. Also, it's recent changes and new picture policy didn't improve anything... not that there is any content of value there in the first place. It is the kink facebook, not a dating site with searchable membership or an open forum for discussion. It has closed forums, run by thread starters and requires joining a group to comment... and being in the clique or not posting contrary opinions to prevent your relies from getting deleted. Worst forum environment possible.

Next, CollarSpace & CollarChat look like shit. They are not "outwardly good looking websites". However, their content makes them the best BDSM oriented sites on the net, even if they run on outdated PDG software and have antique java buttons and nav.

And yes, "what you wrote will fall upon deaf ears" because of the situation with the owner of this website and it's lack of income because it is free. One owner, one volunteer last I looked and it wasn't being attended daily. I don't know the newest volunteer staff, so I have no idea what their maintenance schedule is nowadays.




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