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Musicmystery -> Washington "divided, angry, bewildered, fearful," including among Republicans (3/22/2017 4:35:33 PM)

BillMoyers.com:

My Visit to Trump’s Washington
Republicans no longer believe Trump will give them cover to do what they want to do.

BY ROBERT REICH | MARCH 22, 2017

I spent much of this past week in Washington – talking with friends still in government, former colleagues, high-ranking Democrats, a few Republican pundits and some members of Congress from both sides of the aisle. It was my first visit to our nation’s capital since Trump became president.

My verdict:

1. Washington is more divided, angry, bewildered and fearful – than I’ve ever seen it.

2. The angry divisions aren’t just Democrats versus Republicans. Rancor is also exploding inside the Republican Party.

3. Republicans (and their patrons in big business) no longer believe Trump will give them cover to do what they want to do. They’re becoming afraid Trump is genuinely nuts, and he’ll pull the party down with him.

4. Many Republicans are also angry at Paul Ryan, whose replacement bill for Obamacare is considered by almost everyone on Capitol Hill to be incredibly dumb.

5. I didn’t talk with anyone inside the White House, but several who have had dealings with it called it a cesspool of intrigue and fear. Apparently everyone working there hates and distrusts everyone else.

6. The Washington foreign policy establishment – both Republican and Democrat – is deeply worried about what’s happening to American foreign policy, and the worldwide perception of America being loony and rudderless. They think Trump is legitimizing far-right movements around the world.

7. Long-time civil servants are getting ready to bail. If they’re close to retirement they’re already halfway out the door. Many in their 30s and 40s are in panic mode.

8. Republican pundits think Bannon is even more unhinged than Trump, seeking to destroy democracy as we’ve known it.

9. Despite all this, no one I talked with thought a Trump impeachment likely, at least not any time soon – unless there’s a smoking gun showing Trump’s involvement in Russia’s intrusion into the election.

10. Many people asked, bewilderedly, “how did this [Trump] happen?” When I suggest it had a lot to do with the 35-year-long decline of incomes of the bottom 60 percent; the growing sense, ever since the Wall Street bailout, that the game is rigged; and the utter failure of both Republicans and Democrats to reverse these trends – they gave me blank stares.



ROBERT REICH
Robert B. Reich is the chancellor’s professor of public policy at the University of California, Berkeley and former secretary of labor under the Clinton administration. Time Magazine named him one of the 10 most effective Cabinet secretaries of the 20th century. He is also a founding editor of The American Prospect magazine and chairman of Common Cause. His film, Inequality for All, was released in 2013.




MrRodgers -> RE: Washington "divided, angry, bewildered, fearful," including among Republicans (3/22/2017 5:07:57 PM)

Unfortunately, for this OP to get any traction, it will have to be one-sided. Nobody on the right here will believe anything Reich has to say and not because of what he has to say but only because...he's from the left.

Never mind the WSJ among other non-left entities are opining much the same thing.







Real0ne -> RE: Washington "divided, angry, bewildered, fearful," including among Republicans (3/22/2017 5:31:47 PM)

democracy as you know it?

get to vote for your new overlords every 6-8 years with no remedy at law?

some fucking democracy




BoscoX -> RE: Washington "divided, angry, bewildered, fearful," including among Republicans (3/22/2017 5:36:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Unfortunately, for this OP to get any traction, it will have to be one-sided. Nobody on the right here will believe anything Reich has to say and not because of what he has to say but only because...he's from the left.

Never mind the WSJ among other non-left entities are opining much the same thing.






Doesn't get much further out in left field than that, but that's apparently all the OP reads

Echo chamber pablum

RE the WSJ editorial, hope they're not allergic to egg




servantforuse -> RE: Washington "divided, angry, bewildered, fearful," including among Republicans (3/22/2017 5:42:25 PM)

And we should listen to Bill Clintons labor secretary from nearly 20 years ago. Reich was an idiot back then.




mnottertail -> RE: Washington "divided, angry, bewildered, fearful," including among Republicans (3/22/2017 6:03:22 PM)

Nutsuckers have always been retards but you listen to them exclusively and you are one.




Musicmystery -> RE: Washington "divided, angry, bewildered, fearful," including among Republicans (3/22/2017 6:17:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

And we should listen to Bill Clintons labor secretary from nearly 20 years ago. Reich was an idiot back then.

I know a lot more than I did 20 years ago. Don't you?




MrRodgers -> RE: Washington "divided, angry, bewildered, fearful," including among Republicans (3/22/2017 7:14:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

And we should listen to Bill Clintons labor secretary from nearly 20 years ago. Reich was an idiot back then.

And we should be listening to anybody on the right today ?




NoirMetal -> RE: Washington "divided, angry, bewildered, fearful," including among Republicans (3/22/2017 7:16:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

And we should listen to Bill Clintons labor secretary from nearly 20 years ago. Reich was an idiot back then.

And we should be listening to anybody on the right today ?

Should we be listening to anyone in Washington?




BoscoX -> RE: Washington "divided, angry, bewildered, fearful," including among Republicans (3/22/2017 7:31:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

And we should listen to Bill Clintons labor secretary from nearly 20 years ago. Reich was an idiot back then.

And we should be listening to anybody on the right today ?

Should we be listening to anyone in Washington?


Nobody there has been listening to us, until President Trump came to town

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Washington "divided, angry, bewildered, fearful,"


Good, it's about time.




Lucylastic -> RE: Washington "divided, angry, bewildered, fearful," including among Republicans (3/22/2017 7:48:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

And we should listen to Bill Clintons labor secretary from nearly 20 years ago. Reich was an idiot back then.

I know a lot more than I did 20 years ago. Don't you?

good god yes, LOL




mnottertail -> RE: Washington "divided, angry, bewildered, fearful," including among Republicans (3/23/2017 4:51:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: NoirMetal


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

And we should listen to Bill Clintons labor secretary from nearly 20 years ago. Reich was an idiot back then.

And we should be listening to anybody on the right today ?

Should we be listening to anyone in Washington?


Nobody there has been listening to us, until President Trump came to town

quote:

Washington "divided, angry, bewildered, fearful,"


Good, it's about time.

And those listening have concluded (as I have pointed out since your being shit out on a stump and hatched in the sun) that you are fucking dangerous retards.




Musicmystery -> RE: Washington "divided, angry, bewildered, fearful," including among Republicans (3/23/2017 11:55:23 AM)

Yeah, it's hard to see how fractured and dysfunctional equal making America great again.

Now, helping Putin make Russia great again...

(By the way, the Moscow papers are reporting onPutin declaring the reign of the West is over, that the East will lead the world now.)




mnottertail -> RE: Washington "divided, angry, bewildered, fearful," including among Republicans (3/23/2017 11:58:57 AM)

Trump has embarrassed and weakened us and the nutsucker congress made us look like fools.




Musicmystery -> RE: Washington "divided, angry, bewildered, fearful," including among Republicans (3/23/2017 1:58:16 PM)

And not just look like.




BoscoX -> RE: Washington "divided, angry, bewildered, fearful," including among Republicans (3/23/2017 2:01:50 PM)

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The Washington Post's Bob Woodward warned on Wednesday that there are people from the Obama administration who could be facing criminal charges for unmasking the names of Trump transition team members from surveillance of foreign officials.

House Intelligence Committee Chairman Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., said earlier that he had briefed Trump on new information, unrelated to an investigation into Russian activities, that suggested that several members of Trump's transition team and perhaps Trump himself had their identities "unmasked" after their communications were intercepted by U.S. intelligence officials.

The revelation is notable because identities of Americans are generally supposed to remain "masked" if American communications are swept up during surveillance of foreign individuals.

During an interview on Fox News, Woodward said that if that information about the unmasking is true, "it is a gross violation."

He said it isn't Trump's assertion, without proof, that his predecessor wiretapped Trump Tower that is of concern, but rather that intelligence officials named the Americans being discussed in intercepted communications.

"You can learn all kinds of things from diplomats gossiping, because that's what occurs. Under the rules, and they are pretty strict, it's called minimization. You don't name the American person who is being discussed," Woodward said.

He noted that there are about 20 people in the intelligence community who, for intelligence reasons, can order this "minimization" be removed.

"But the idea that there was intelligence value here is really thin," Woodward said. "It's, again, down the middle, it is not what Trump said, but this could be criminal on the part of people who decided, oh, let's name these people."

He drove the point home, adding that "under the rules, that name is supposed to be blanked out, and so you've got a real serious problem potentially of people in the Obama administration passing around this highly classified gossip."






Musicmystery -> RE: Washington "divided, angry, bewildered, fearful," including among Republicans (3/23/2017 2:04:14 PM)

If.

Hasn't Nunes embarrassed himself enough already with false claims? Not a promising start.




WhoreMods -> RE: Washington "divided, angry, bewildered, fearful," including among Republicans (3/23/2017 2:45:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
(By the way, the Moscow papers are reporting onPutin declaring the reign of the West is over, that the East will lead the world now.)

That could just be over the way Russia has put forwards a Ukrainian Russian singer in a wheelchair for this year's Eurovision to try to minimise the booing from the rest of the former soviet countries rather than his conning the 'States into electing a loudmouthed incompetent rather than a career politician who was less likely to give him whatever he demands every time he snaps his fingers, though.
(It's quite possible that Putin sees saddling your country with a fuckwit as president and the PR from a Eurovision win of equal importance to his plans. That's a depressing thought, isn't it?)




Musicmystery -> RE: Washington "divided, angry, bewildered, fearful," including among Republicans (3/23/2017 3:30:34 PM)

Well, he was a reality TV star.




Musicmystery -> RE: Washington "divided, angry, bewildered, fearful," including among Republicans (3/27/2017 9:03:46 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Unfortunately, for this OP to get any traction, it will have to be one-sided. Nobody on the right here will believe anything Reich has to say and not because of what he has to say but only because...he's from the left.

Never mind the WSJ among other non-left entities are opining much the same thing.





Reich also has friends on the Republican side, and can get the off the record mood.




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