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RE: The great military genius - 4/28/2017 3:58:57 PM

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Yes, it was a mistake in talking to some one as ignorant and pigheaded as you - because you manipulate an argument to the point that it no longer argues about the original point, so that when you eventually do gain some sort of positive footing, you some how believe it validates your entire debased series of ignorant statements you've made up until that point.

A carrier group travels between 10-20 knots depending on conditions,

You have yet to provide a citation to validate this opinion
operations,and objectives. They can full steam at something closer to 20 knots if your
objective is simply 'get on station' but it is not fuel efficient

The carrier is nuclear powered needs fuel about once every twenty years. The u.s. navy is not short of fuel.

nor a comfortable ride for your crew and thus not really done.

Cite please.

This is just fact based on how ships and the navy operates. Period.

Cite please

But rather then admitting to that - you're going to ignorantly pull up a French
Destroyer with out understanding the dynamics at play, Improperly use math
equations which you think prove you right, And reference theoretical builds as
fact because you think it will help you win.

Not theoretical builds but actual ships used by the navy sea lift command to go to the
sandbox.
They have half the shaft horsepower of a carrier and half as many props that are only 17'
in diameter as opposed to 25' for the carrier. They have an advertised speed of 35kts.
Do you really think a carrier could not run circles around them?

http://www.lao.ca.gov/LAOEconTax/Article/Detail/1

Hey guess what - You where right - that 3 prop propeller was actually built in 1961...
I didn't know that. Not that i cared to know it in the first place, but what ever.

That was contained in your link so you should have known it. You were the one
who was arguing that it was theoretical and had never existed in real life.

So what does a theoretical propeller that was designed for an outboard motor/speed
boat that have to do with the operating procedures and limitations of one of the
largest nuclear powered ships in the world that does not use such a propeller?

I have shown above that it is used on large ships up to the size of Nimitz class carriers.

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RE: The great military genius - 4/28/2017 5:01:41 PM

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http://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-028.htm

https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/ddg-51.htm

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cruising%20speed

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RE: The great military genius - 4/28/2017 8:13:38 PM

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http://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-028.htm

From your link:
The official listing of the carrier speeds is "in excess of 30 knots". The actual speed of
the CVNs is classified;

https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/ddg-51.htm

From your link:

Their maximum speed is in excess of 30 knots

What is your point?
Why do you think the navy gives these figures?

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RE: The great military genius - 4/28/2017 8:58:22 PM

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http://www.navweaps.com/index_tech/tech-028.htm

From your link:
The official listing of the carrier speeds is "in excess of 30 knots". The actual speed of
the CVNs is classified;

https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/ddg-51.htm

From your link:

Their maximum speed is in excess of 30 knots

What is your point?
Why do you think the navy gives these figures?

optimum performance at cruising speed - 20 knots
long duration is the ship's cruising speed (20 knots)
cruising range of 4,400 n. miles at 20 knots

Cruising Speed:
the speed at which an airplane, a boat, etc., usually moves when it is traveling at a fast speed for a long distance

It doesn't matter what the top speed is because you cannot run that for long periods... you strain the engines, stress the drives, and ultimately break the ship. It is like measuring the speed of humans based off of limited data about how people can sprint as opposed to how long it takes them to run a marathon.

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RE: The great military genius - 4/28/2017 9:59:03 PM

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Look, as reported in the NY times, when the rest of the world thought the Carl Vinson and her battle group was steaming NORTH toward Korea, she was steaming SOUTH toward the Indian ocean.

In other words, the discrepancy has been explained and to keep arguing over what was never truly and issue is childish.

FYI, anyone with any kind of brains knows you do not run a ship at maximum speed for extended periods, the MAXIMUM speed is for extreme conditions or emergencies.

A ship's cruising speed is the speed she travels from point a to point b under normal conditions.

Maximum speed or flank speed is used when you have to perform evasive maneuvers, like not getting bombed or in the old days torpedoed. Considering the guidance systems on anti ship weapons, once you figure out you are a target, the military term "WE BE FUCKED" applies.

Besides, if the Carl Vinson was to run under full steam, she would quickly run off and leave her escorts and support ships.

And while SeaRAM and Phalanx systems will protect said carrier from missiles, they wont do squat for sub launched torpedoes, hence the reason for the cans to be tagging along.

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RE: The great military genius - 4/29/2017 4:41:57 AM

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optimum performance at cruising speed - 20 knots
long duration is the ship's cruising speed (20 knots)
cruising range of 4,400 n. miles at 20 knots

This from your link:

This means that the sustained speed of a CVN over long duration
is close to the ships maximum speed (say 30 knots)

Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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RE: The great military genius - 5/4/2017 5:36:49 PM

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Still waiting missinfoman.

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