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RE: Very Painful but safe and easy to do torture ? - 4/23/2017 1:54:28 PM   
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RE: Very Painful but safe and easy to do torture ? - 4/23/2017 9:50:30 PM   
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I was going to stay off of this thread. I'm not incredibly huge on threads about 'suggest some of the most painful things to do' because I'm not all that big on what can turn out to be the Reader's Digest Condensed version of kink or topping. People have a tendency to read about something, think it's a great idea to run off and do without doing their research, bother to learn anything from people in person, and just get the 'this sounds awesome, let's do it' approach. OP, I'm not saying that this is the way you're going about it, but I've seen it so many times on the net, I can't discount it.

I'm also not saying that some of the suggestions *don't* sound cool. There's a couple of them on the thread I've never done and might research myself a bit more. Some of the posts, especially UllrsIshtar, obviously well thought out. Ugly sticks? Happen to love them, myself.

And, I wasn't going to say anything, until this:

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Candle wax - after you have tested the wax and height its dropped from (and time - as burns are funny thingies and rarely pleasant)

This is one of my pet peeves in kink. It is irresponsible to imply to an inexperienced wax player that the play is "safe".

Last week, a writing hit K&P on the other site. The subject of the person's writing are the burns she received during a party five weeks ago during a scene that was part rope suspension, part wax play. In the writing, there are several pictures embedded that show the burns on her legs and buttocks over weekly (up to now at five weeks) intervals, so people can see the damage. (Warning. The pictures may be considered graphic by some viewers.) There was also another writing by the DM who was on shift at the party/dungeon at the time, who observed the scene when it happened.

This isn't the first time I've posted about burn incidents from wax play on these forums. All I'm asking is for people to consider how bad this can turn out. If a person doesn't know what they are doing, please don't consider the play "safe".


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RE: Very Painful but safe and easy to do torture ? - 4/24/2017 7:13:57 AM   
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Make her copy one of the P&R threads by hand.


Got (enough) ink?

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RE: Very Painful but safe and easy to do torture ? - 4/24/2017 8:15:46 AM   
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I always wanted to burn one of every shoe(pair)

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RE: Very Painful but safe and easy to do torture ? - 4/24/2017 8:17:12 AM   
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then give them a clown shoe to match the ones still there.

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RE: Very Painful but safe and easy to do torture ? - 4/24/2017 8:31:33 AM   
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Make her copy one of the P&R threads by hand.


Got (enough) ink?

Ink?! Can't she do it in blood?

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RE: Very Painful but safe and easy to do torture ? - 4/24/2017 8:44:19 AM   
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I still think wee toe of the leg of a coffee table wins the day

ladypact - believe i was very clear - quote: Candle wax - after you have tested the wax and height its dropped from (and time - as burns are funny thingies and rarely pleasant(that bit) me! wax on two people ;) not that I was enticing others to hurls buckets of the stuff over others, besides you know I loathe bad stereotypes. And ive talked about hot water bottle burns before ;) and I rarely talk about bitumen burns.

And ive seen the human ashtrays - sad pathetic fuks damaged beyond repair, as is the person who would do that unto them.

That aside i can pretty much extrapolate up anythings rope burns, a flogging - all people are different and few people seem to understand that. And that before I discuss bad stereotypes and human pin cushions etc

I remember being at a lovely witches house one night long, long ago and was playing about with her floggers, A really small one on my right arm - testing it out as you do. Three days later i was down at the doctors puzzled by a rash I had on my arm doctor was clueless too. But suffice to say 4 weeks after that i remembered it was the flogger, doh!

Anyway youve seen the bans elsewhere ive accrued for speaking out on various matters - I am a dom because I hurt people badly is one of them...and I can assure you I am one of the few who talks out about this.

I simply loathe bad stereotypes in any format - that aspect of me will never change.

So in essence someone was drizzled with candle wax, untested, and it resulted in horrific burns - i believe you. Whom do you think the irresponsible party was on that occasion?

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RE: Very Painful but safe and easy to do torture ? - 4/24/2017 8:49:38 AM   
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And some of you might of forgotten the "easy to do/easly found"


As far as cheap and easy to find tools go, the most important thing is your mindset. You need to learn to 'see' toys in every day objects. Go to your local hardware store, craft supply store, and supermarket and just wander through the aisles looking at things, considering how they might be used to cause pain. You'll see a little stake meant to hold up flowers in the yard, and suddenly see a cane. You'll see medical gauze and think 'bondage or blindfold'. You'll be in the pet supply section and see all kinds of bondage restraints.

It's all a matter of learning to look at every day objects and thinking of creative ways you can use them. You don't need to start out spending tons of money... and in case you're still living at home: it's far less embarrassing for your mom to find an unusual collection of everyday objects hidden in your room, than it would be for her to find a bunch of bondage gear.

Tools/techniques easily found:

- Spatulas: You can pick these up in almost every grocery store for next to nothing. In France, Aldi is probably the best place to look. Different materials like wood, metal, silicon, etc, will give different sensations. The differences in size will also cause different sensations. Hitting with the 'flat' versus the edge will also cause different sensations. A single spatula of a good size will take you through 90% of the types of pain one can cause when used properly and creatively.
- Cutting boards with a handle: no need to pay for paddles when you're just starting out. A cutting board with a handle will work just as well. Again, different sizes and materials will cause different sensations, and you can find these relatively cheap just about everywhere.
- Spring clamps: your local hardware store will carry these. Different sizes, different spring strengths, etc, etc. Clothes pins will work too, but they're far less painful. Experiment with putting clamps on and then pulling on them, or hitting them with your brand new spatula, or twisting them, etc, etc. Keep in mind that clamps are ALWAYS more painful coming off then while they're on, because they restrict bloodflow and therefore numb pain. They have the potential to cause serious tissue damage when left on too long (we're talking 30+ minutes, to a few hours), so again, starts slow, and learn by experimentation what you can do and how long. No need to push to extremes on the first time.
- An ordinary toilet plunger can be great fun. You can hit with the handle, or with the plunger part, you can use the plunger to 'trust' in a pushing 'punch' which creates both impact, as well as a weird suction sensation when pulled back which enhances the punch. You can use the suction without hitting to recreate fire cupping type sensations. These also play very well into 'mind fucks' because very few people won't find it incredible humiliating to be beaten with a toilet plunger, even if it's completely clean and you bought it just for that purpose.

I could on, but I hope you're getting the idea.
Creativity is what matters here.

As far as floggers go, almost any long and stringy material can be used as a flogger. All you need to do is grab a bunch of them together in your fist, and hold them, and voila, you've got a 'flogger'. Rope can be used, but so can ribbons, or plastic clothes line, or fabric strips, or even Christmas garlands.

If you want to get more sophisticated in your 'flogger' design, all you need to do is get a bunch of materials together and tie rope (or something else) around the end of it a bunch of times to make a 'handle'. Now you've got a flogger which will actually stay together after you let go.
Here's a good tutorial on how to do that with rope, but keep in mind that you can do this with just about any long and stringy material. I've got dozens and dozens of home made floggers out of all kinds of different materials, ranging from different kinds of rope, to metal wire, to fishing line, to cut up yoga mats, etc, etc. The possibilities are endless.
Even staying with just one single material like that rope in that tutorial, you can experiment with bigger floggers versus smaller ones, longer versus shorter, heavy versus light. You can unravel the rope completely, or only partially, or only unravel half of the strands. You can cut the loops or leave them. Tie knots in the ends, or all the way up the strands.
Just with that white nylon rope, you could easily make 50 different floggers which all cause different sensations.



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RE: Very Painful but safe and easy to do torture ? - 4/24/2017 8:59:08 AM   
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belt, garden cane a peg, spanky hand, a hair brush/comb, a silk scarf, etc. As UllrsIshtar said it need not cost the earth.

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RE: Very Painful but safe and easy to do torture ? - 4/24/2017 9:10:05 AM   
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belt, garden cane a peg, spanky hand, a hair brush/comb, a silk scarf, etc. As UllrsIshtar said it need not cost the earth.

Although bamboo garden canes are a bit fragile, and the heavier ones can be a lot pricier.
The spatula thing is dead right, though. A slotted, flat one works well.

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RE: Very Painful but safe and easy to do torture ? - 4/24/2017 10:03:21 AM   
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You can actually order them out of tescos with your weekly shop - I know I did guffaws There must be some left in my garden hut and hoaching with spiders.

none of this pish Spider-Man 2 - Stopping the Train Scene

Its a stick with spiders whats not to get!

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RE: Very Painful but safe and easy to do torture ? - 4/24/2017 10:19:33 AM   
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an hour or two of this might do it as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbIhYhrOJAg

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RE: Very Painful but safe and easy to do torture ? - 4/24/2017 12:28:51 PM   
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I think he's after physical rather than mental torture.

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RE: Very Painful but safe and easy to do torture ? - 4/24/2017 6:05:18 PM   
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Had a girl who would pass out due to reaction with nettles. Very unusual. But aside from her use them all the time. Take her to bar with fronds stuck in her stocking tops brushing cunt, or stuffed in thong and bra, will be squirming all evening.

Chilles can be fun also.

Pressure points ... As a martial artist of 30 years experience i use them, but unless you absolutely understand what you are doing then i don't recommend it.

Have fun

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RE: Very Painful but safe and easy to do torture ? - 4/25/2017 7:34:07 AM   
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ladypact - believe i was very clear - quote: Candle wax - after you have tested the wax and height its dropped from (and time - as burns are funny thingies and rarely pleasant(that bit) me! wax on two people ;) not that I was enticing others to hurls buckets of the stuff over others, besides you know I loathe bad stereotypes. And ive talked about hot water bottle burns before ;) and I rarely talk about bitumen burns.

Yeah, you were clear. That doesn't make you accurate.

Testing the wax by dripping some on yourself works for things like what kind of wax is the candle made of. (Like when you have a candle made of beeswax, rather than a lower melting point wax such as paraffin or soy.) It's not the best test if you have a color coated candle, one that's been made with plastic coated wick or one with metal core, or one that's been produced with certain mold release chemicals. Depending on how much of the candle has been burned, these types of things can pass a quick drip test, but can still be dangerous when using enough wax for longer time frames that would more likely be play. This is particularly true for cheaply made color coated candles that are really wax on the inside and a layer of plastic color coating on the outside, that burns at a much higher temperature.

This is besides the fact that most men dripping some wax on themselves probably aren't wearing the same types of perfumes, body lotions, or other skin products that most women wear. A huge portion of which are made with some type of oil and all oil conducts heat.

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Anyway youve seen the bans elsewhere ive accrued for speaking out on various matters - I am a dom because I hurt people badly is one of them...and I can assure you I am one of the few who talks out about this.

No, I haven't. In fact, I've seen the opposite so please don't try to drag me into this in the attempt to support your position.

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So in essence someone was drizzled with candle wax, untested, and it resulted in horrific burns - i believe you. Whom do you think the irresponsible party was on that occasion?

I'm not going to say the wax was untested, entirely. I just gave several reasons of why even tested wax can go wrong.

From what I've read, I'm not sure the word 'drizzled' is appropriate. However, I don't think that was the problem, either.

I've read what the bottom and the DM (this was a public party) have written and I'm just not seeing the blame land on them. The DM has been very specific about asking the top who did the scene what kind of wax he'd be using. When the reply was "paraffin," in my opinion, that would be sufficient. DM's shouldn't have the responsibility of trying to test every candle that comes into a public play space. It should be the responsibility of the top to know what kind of candle they are using, if they have been specifically made for wax play or not, etc.

There wasn't any yelling from pain or signs of distress from the bottom. She was already in rope suspension, so may have already been in sub space, and not as aware of the pain from the wax burning her. (It happens.) From what I've read, the first sign of the wax being hot enough to cause burns was the fact that the wax had burned through the drop cloth used to protect the floor, which meant it was probably already too late at that point.



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RE: Very Painful but safe and easy to do torture ? - 4/25/2017 9:24:17 AM   
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I've got burnt by boiling water (Doesn't really hurt that much when you get burnt, but hell this shit hurt after like 30 minutes, and I can tell that the dead skins comes off and you see all the blood and meat, pretty discusting and hurt very much, so don't go for boiling water. Healed relatively well though, could bearly see that I got burnt after about 5 weeks) and I messed a lot with candle wax when i was little so i'm fairly resitant to heat treatment, but I think females have more fragile skin, less thick thus making testing on myself be worthless as her skin is less resistant, I'll see what we can do with candle wax though, it really is a good idea.

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RE: Very Painful but safe and easy to do torture ? - 4/25/2017 11:05:15 AM   
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Yes let's keep the mental torture away, that's a big no no for her.

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RE: Very Painful but safe and easy to do torture ? - 4/25/2017 11:55:16 AM   
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Be really careful with the wax, I have seen the most horrific burns and depending what the candle is made of, it's not like hot water but most likely will get infected and scar awfully

If you use deep heat, then you can try and drop moderately warm water on her and it will feel like she's burned, without actually causing damage.

Basically anything used for arthritis relief will do, you said you're in France and I'm not familiar what brands you have, I know Finalgon, Capsaicin, etc. Maybe just talk to a friendly chemist, you got that old aunt or uncle, or a friend has sprained his back and the muscles have hardened up, they need a deep heat for pain relief... Be careful that you don't get it on her girly bits though or anywhere near the eye.

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RE: Very Painful but safe and easy to do torture ? - 4/25/2017 5:13:24 PM   
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Ouch............. I think that one is a Geneva Convention violation.
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RE: Very Painful but safe and easy to do torture ? - 4/26/2017 3:07:27 AM   
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clothes pegs///pins wood or plastic, and I know of some special places, you have not tried. Terri.

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