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RE: What’s Gone Wrong With Australian Multiculturalism - 5/1/2017 12:59:27 AM

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If it became international law that everybody had to return to the country or countries of their ancestors, I wonder where the hell we would all end up and what the population of the world would look like...........................a lot of us would become like the wandering jew ; not knowing WHERE our roots are, or were. Come to think of it, I reckon most of us would.

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RE: What’s Gone Wrong With Australian Multiculturalism - 5/1/2017 2:19:43 AM

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If it became international law that everybody had to return to the country or countries of their ancestors, I wonder where the hell we would all end up ...

Gawd. As if Britain's housing crisis isn't bad enough already ....

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RE: What’s Gone Wrong With Australian Multiculturalism - 5/1/2017 2:30:38 AM

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Taking the Trumpfs back into Bavaria has been denied once already.

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RE: What’s Gone Wrong With Australian Multiculturalism - 5/1/2017 2:37:05 AM

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Surely greta, the Brits were the first to COMPLETELY change Singapore when they found the place and it was a completely empty island, which they set up as a trading centre, way back in the 18th century I believe.

Yes the Brits took over Singapore. It was occupied solely by Malay people when the Brits came.

As I said, current day situation is, which ever dominant race takes over will have the dominant say on what the culture is. So when the chinese eventually took over Singapore. They chose what culture stays and what culture goes! We like to keep cultures that does not promote violence. Deepavali, Festival of Lights, for example is not a violent culture, so we keep that! Hari Raya where Muslims wanna celebrate the ending of their starvation exercise, sure, starving themselves is peaceful, we don't care.

That's the way of the way now, and I see nothing wrong with that.

Why should every country be accepting of foreign cultures in their country? They should be able to pick and choose what's compatible with their country. For example in the UK, Sharia laws are not compatible with civil laws. So I don't understand why it is legal at all for them to run their own show. Through these sharia courts in the UK. I bet these Muslim guys are taking their 4 wives or more. They just don't get married at civil courts. And their marriage certificates are issued by these sharia courts, just as their divorces are handled by these sharia courts and not the civil courts.

In our country, it's different. We have to respect that taking 4 wives of the Native Malays is something they culturally practiced before we took over Singapore, so we allow them to continue to practice that, as this is their land. As it is their Islamic culture. But of course that is only exclusive to Muslims. We won't entertain it for Non-Muslims as what is their excuse?

But in the UK, it's not UK culture in any way.

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RE: What’s Gone Wrong With Australian Multiculturalism - 5/1/2017 2:38:47 AM

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Greta of course is actually complaining about the non-Chinese minority communities in her own country when the Chinese were themselves immigrants. It just seems a bit mixed up to me.

The Chinese made Singapore better than Malaysia. Despite every advantage Malaysia has on us. The Chinese also introduced the concept of equal rights to all races. This means that when government gives out benefits, regardless what race you are, you will receive precisely the same privileges.

While Malaysia, based on Islamic values, still officially give lower status to Non-Muslims in their country. No equal rights. Muslims gets more government benefits than Non-Muslims. Muslims gets priority to everything, including entrance into schools, Malay First Rights, All other Races Second, is like their Ruling Government Mantra. Even government sponsorship to entrepreneurship is exclusively for Muslims only. It's ridiculous to that extent.

So the problem with the Malays is. Islam. Prevents them from progressing as fast.

So you guys supporting Islam, defending their members, are just supporting all their backwards style of governance too. Islam is the last religion on earth that would have anything to do with "equality of races".

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RE: What’s Gone Wrong With Australian Multiculturalism - 5/1/2017 2:45:44 AM

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Why should every country be accepting of foreign cultures in their country?

Well, much depends on the degree. I mean, given these days of modern communications technologies and the internet in particular, we can all 'be' in other countries without actually being there physically. Thus, on internet forums like this one, for instance, I - with my British culture - can have an influence (however small) on American culture. You too, Greta. Do you think this is a bad thing?

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RE: What’s Gone Wrong With Australian Multiculturalism - 5/1/2017 3:00:05 AM

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I'm going to have to try not to respond to these sort of posts when you make them Greta, because it just starts to look as if I am picking on you, when in fact I just disagree with you.

Let's just say that there are a number of factual inaccuracies in what you have just said, such as the etymology of the word curry and Filipino cuisine. Please just use Google if you doubt what I say. I have just done the same to check that the information is there. "Wikipedia" and "curry" are the only two words you need as search terms. Needless to say my knowledge of Filipino and Singaporean cuisine doesn't come from Google. You might have guessed that from my post.

I'm very glad for you that you had Filipino servants and that you liked the obedient ones - well the ones that don't complain about the smell of curry anyway.

Dude, I was brought up by Filipinos and if you have been to Singapore lately, every restaurant and retail shops you walk into, are ALL Filipinos working in it today. So I think my knowledge is simply from growing up with Filipino people and them telling me what their culture is, and working with them as colleagues, sometimes you see more Filipinos than Singaporeans in an office these days, whereas I think you actually google.

My maids were not obedient as they were replacement mothers. You know what does that mean? They are allowed to scream at me, yell at me and beat me up, slap me, cane me, if they wanted to and full powers to discipline me as they like. All approved by my mom. So they got alot of power over me.

My mom will praise them if they beat me. But they simply chose not to use violence to discipline me. As they are better than my mother. And they don't believe in such methods in their own culture to raise children.

Point is, EVERY Filipino I know over here, hates spicy food. So I doubt "curry" is what they eat regularly in Philippines because they seriously do not like Indian curries or Chinese Curries or anything spicy at all. They do love their chicken gravy, that I know. And because of the proximity of Philippines to Singapore, majority of the Filipinos here, work here but raise families in Philippines. So they are very authentic Filipinos who are just born and raised in Philippines and planning to retire in Philippines. Most maids that worked in Singapore for a few years go back to buy a few houses, and be an entrepreneur back there, opening their own business over there, with the money they earn here. Most of them as I said, are not country bumpkins but educated and have a plan. Working in Singapore is just to make a quick buck to fund their business ambitions.

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You make many points about people abiding by Singapore's culture but you like to pick and choose which cultures you like, and are very vocal about the ones you don't.

Because in singapore, we DO pick and choose what culture is permitted and what is not permitted. It is all government controlled. So whatever culture exists are permitted cultures. Unlike in the west, you guys think multi-culturism means everything goes, and everything goes wild! Like allowing sharia courts without government interference. That's soooo ridiculous! Your government failed to protect Muslim women from the evil religion that forces them to cover up and allows them to be beaten up and bruises never to be seen.

You know, many non-muslim women were saved because they didn't have to wear cover up. And outsiders can see her bruises and offer her help.

But all Muslim women can be black and blue inside, and we'll never know to help them. Even their faces can be bruised and they just gotta wear the veil.

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RE: What’s Gone Wrong With Australian Multiculturalism - 5/1/2017 3:09:01 AM

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Why should every country be accepting of foreign cultures in their country?

Well, much depends on the degree. I mean, given these days of modern communications technologies and the internet in particular, we can all 'be' in other countries without actually being there physically. Thus, on internet forums like this one, for instance, I - with my British culture - can have an influence (however small) on American culture. You too, Greta. Do you think this is a bad thing?

As I said, each country's dominant culture has the right to pick and choose what culture do they allow or not allow in their own country.

So if Saudi Arabia wanna force tourists to cover up. That's their right. Their country, and we can choose never to visit them IF we don't want to cover up.

I don't think accepting multiculturalism is an obligation for any country to pursue.

But I do think it is an obligation for any visitor/immigrant/refugee to abide by the culture of the country they visit IF they CHOSE to be there. They should change themselves and give up their own culture and assimilate. Or Find another country to move to, that are closer inline with their own culture.

For example, Syrians can move to Turkey instead of Australia. Or even Malaysia or Indonesia. Good places, where being Muslims gives them First Rights.

Perhaps it is the Chinese way. You seldom see Chinese immigrants to foreign country kick up a big fuss about wanting special treatment. We just try to assimilate as much as possible, keep our heads down and make a living. One of the reason is, it is our host country and we respect the way they do things over there and just work along with it rather than try to change it to suit our culture. But if they do go China, they would be expected to go along with whatever China does. Zero tolerance for foreign cultures.

In Singapore, something interesting happen. They voted for a Chinese leader. He won fair and square by elections telling the people that these are the changes he wants to make. And they voted for him to make those changes. So in a way, it was with the approval of the local people. As the history happens that we got kick out of Malaysia, because we wanted equal rights for all races and not Muslim First Rights, as Malaysia practices. So the ones who voted for the man who caused us to get kicked out supported his idea for equal rights.

We could have just continued be a part of Malaysia and in a different scenario. We would be Muslim country where Muslims have First Rights. If Malaysia kept us in. But Malaysia was just punishing us by kicking us out, hoping we will drown and beg to return, so that we will submit to Muslim First Rights Philosophy.

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RE: What’s Gone Wrong With Australian Multiculturalism - 5/1/2017 3:37:14 AM

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But I do think it is an obligation for any visitor/immigrant/refugee to abide by the culture of the country they visit IF they CHOSE to be there. They should change themselves and give up their own culture and assimilate. Or Find another country to move to, that are closer inline with their own culture.

So, how much of our respective cultures, if anything, do you think you and I, say, should be prepared to give up given that we're in what is after all a mainly American 'place' (as well as US based place, physically) here on this forum? I'm just thinking that it's just about arguable that you and I, given all the stuff we've written here, might actually have more of an impact on American culture in certain ways than, say, an immigrant to the USA who lives and works there but never mixes with the natives socially. Just a bit of a thought-experiment, that's all.

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RE: What’s Gone Wrong With Australian Multiculturalism - 5/1/2017 4:20:12 AM

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I'm going to have to try not to respond to these sort of posts when you make them Greta, because it just starts to look as if I am picking on you, when in fact I just disagree with you.

Let's just say that there are a number of factual inaccuracies in what you have just said, such as the etymology of the word curry and Filipino cuisine. Please just use Google if you doubt what I say. I have just done the same to check that the information is there. "Wikipedia" and "curry" are the only two words you need as search terms. Needless to say my knowledge of Filipino and Singaporean cuisine doesn't come from Google. You might have guessed that from my post.

I'm very glad for you that you had Filipino servants and that you liked the obedient ones - well the ones that don't complain about the smell of curry anyway.

Dude, I was brought up by Filipinos and if you have been to Singapore lately, every restaurant and retail shops you walk into, are ALL Filipinos working in it today. So I think my knowledge is simply from growing up with Filipino people and them telling me what their culture is, and working with them as colleagues, sometimes you see more Filipinos than Singaporeans in an office these days, whereas I think you actually google.

My maids were not obedient as they were replacement mothers. You know what does that mean? They are allowed to scream at me, yell at me and beat me up, slap me, cane me, if they wanted to and full powers to discipline me as they like. All approved by my mom. So they got alot of power over me.

My mom will praise them if they beat me. But they simply chose not to use violence to discipline me. As they are better than my mother. And they don't believe in such methods in their own culture to raise children.

Point is, EVERY Filipino I know over here, hates spicy food. So I doubt "curry" is what they eat regularly in Philippines because they seriously do not like Indian curries or Chinese Curries or anything spicy at all. They do love their chicken gravy, that I know. And because of the proximity of Philippines to Singapore, majority of the Filipinos here, work here but raise families in Philippines. So they are very authentic Filipinos who are just born and raised in Philippines and planning to retire in Philippines. Most maids that worked in Singapore for a few years go back to buy a few houses, and be an entrepreneur back there, opening their own business over there, with the money they earn here. Most of them as I said, are not country bumpkins but educated and have a plan. Working in Singapore is just to make a quick buck to fund their business ambitions.

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You make many points about people abiding by Singapore's culture but you like to pick and choose which cultures you like, and are very vocal about the ones you don't.

Because in singapore, we DO pick and choose what culture is permitted and what is not permitted. It is all government controlled. So whatever culture exists are permitted cultures. Unlike in the west, you guys think multi-culturism means everything goes, and everything goes wild! Like allowing sharia courts without government interference. That's soooo ridiculous! Your government failed to protect Muslim women from the evil religion that forces them to cover up and allows them to be beaten up and bruises never to be seen.

You know, many non-muslim women were saved because they didn't have to wear cover up. And outsiders can see her bruises and offer her help.

But all Muslim women can be black and blue inside, and we'll never know to help them. Even their faces can be bruised and they just gotta wear the veil.

No Greta I didn't have to Google to find out about curry or Filipinos.

Curry is an Anglicised version of a more generic Tamil word which means sauce. It was the Raj that took the word curry around the world. The Indians referred to their food by the names of the individual dishes but the British adopted the word curry to mean any spicy Indian food and that stuck. I have to say, I thought that was common knowledge.

I have not always lived in the UK so do not need to Google to know the ethnic make up of Malaysia, Singapore or the Philippines. You are of course right that most Filipino cuisine is not spicy but some of it is and there are dishes referred to as curries, especially in regional cuisine.

You will be pleased to know that Filipinos were employed by Singaporeans in restaurants, hotels and as family servants over 30 years ago. I have also seen at first hand the treatment handed out by some ya-yas to the children in their charge so I understand that too. Some Filipinos had good employers, others didn't and some even returned home from Singapore having been raped by their employers, because some Singaporeans thought that all Filipinos were prostitutes and deserved it. I have also seen Filipinos being treated as second class citizens by Chinese people in the Philippines, let alone in a foreign country.

However many Filipinos worked hard in Singapore and Hong Kong, earning good money to send home or buy a better education and regarded their experience as positive. Unlike you I don't judge everyone by the bad behaviour of the few.

Racial prejudice is far from being just a western phenomenon. Always useful to be aware when an immigration official looks pissed off with you and refers to you as gweilo to his colleague. Like all words its not always offensive but when officials abruptly stop speaking in English to each other and start using words like that it's good to be on your guard.

So Dudess, I don't have to read to know anything about your country and the region you live in. I don't inhabit your skin so I cannot know what you know but I am far from ignorant.

Just a point about the UK.

You said the following "Unlike in the west, you guys think multi-culturism means everything goes, and everything goes wild! Like allowing sharia courts without government interference." But in another thread, where you were trying to demonstrate just how bad things are, quoted an article from the Independent explaining how discriminatory practices in sharia mediation processes were being investigated and dealt with in the UK.

Sharia style mediation is not a legal process. They are referred to popularly as "courts" but that is a misnomer. They have no legal standing and any "decision" can be overturned by the real courts. And by your own quoted evidence, the UK government is exactly making sure that "everything does not go", whilst allowing people to consult their own religious leaders as they see fit. So what you said is just plain wrong.

The UK is not perfect but you are basically just attacking me for not hating Muslims like you do. It's true I don't hate Muslims like you, but the "facts" you are using are very far from accurate.

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