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RE: The Real Dracula Practiced What Muslims Taught Him - 4/24/2017 7:43:36 AM   
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oh it is soooo simple simple to make up "little known facts"
if for example one can not keep apart the lives of Vlad II (the "Impaler") and Vlad III his son who was kept hostage ...


how many times more do certain simpletons post "facts" based on links they did neither read properly nor even understand ...?

they are "little known" because they are not facts at all but potato mash





Lessee... Another loser alt left troll, offering nothing any more substantive than ad hominems or other fallacies

Or livescience.com

Not a tough choice


Your citation contradicts your claims and you have the brass neck to accuse somebody else of spreading fallacies?

The passage you've misprisioned in full, with the part you have failed to comprehend highlighted:
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Imagine spending your tumultuous teenage years as a political hostage whose fate hinged on the actions of your father, the ruler of a war-torn region in a different country. That's what Vlad III's adolescence was like.

In 1442, Vlad III and his younger brother, Radu, were handed over to Sultan Murad II, then-ruler of the Ottoman Empire. The young men were held hostage to ensure their father, ruler of the principality of Wallachia, remained loyal to the Ottomans during their ongoing war with Hungary.

During their captivity, Vlad and his brother were tutored in science, philosophy and the arts. They were also allegedly schooled in the arts of war, receiving lessons in both horsemanship and swordsmanship from their Ottoman captors, according to Radu Florescu and Raymond McNally, former professors of history at Boston College, who wrote several books about Vlad III.

Some historians have argued that Vlad also learned the art of impalement during his time as a hostage, but that can’t be proven, according to Florin Curta, a professor of medieval history and archaeology at the University of Florida. The Ottomans didn't invent impalement, and there's no way of knowing whether Vlad saw them deploy this gruesome punishment on their prisoners, Curta told Live Science. [Busted: Medieval Torture's 10 Biggest Myths]

Regardless of what he learned from his captors, Vlad didn't take kindly to being held prisoner. On the contrary, his kid brother adjusted well to captivity, forging a friendship with the Sultan's son, Mehmet II, and eventually converting to Islam.

But Vlad felt little more than enmity for his captors, according to Elizabeth Miller, a research historian and professor emeritus at Memorial University of Newfoundland in Canada. This enmity may have been his motivation for siding with the Hungarians against the Ottomans
when he eventually became ruler of Wallachia in 1448, Miller told Live Science.

Got that, moron? Vlad Tepe's brother converted to Islam. Tepes did not, and bore a grudge over being held hostage that led to him holding the Caparthians against the Ottoman empire's exapansion and sending severed heads rather than tribute to Turkey. He's a national hero in Wallachia because (unlike El Cid or Charlemagne) he kept the moslems out of his country.


FIFY, troll

Pointing out that you're lying is not trolling. If you don't like being called a liar, stop lying.

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RE: The Real Dracula Practiced What Muslims Taught Him - 4/24/2017 7:45:37 AM   
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"brass neck" guffaws

Heh Boscox are vampire terrorists coming for you?

That reminds me has anyone tried holy water on you know who?

Anyone been to the Edinburgh dungeons? I think they perfected torture around about medieval times - my opinion


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RE: The Real Dracula Practiced What Muslims Taught Him - 4/24/2017 7:59:56 AM   
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References to impairment go back to the 18th century BC., 2500 years before Islam was born.

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RE: The Real Dracula Practiced What Muslims Taught Him - 4/24/2017 8:11:16 AM   
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Islam is a relative new comer at erm 640-750 AD - lets call it as the original was lost ( I think) and I am not quite sure how long it took to gain traction. Remember Christianity took quite along time too - lets call it about here 325AD https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea butdont forget the olde testament either 250BCish

i think since the beginning of time musicm

Anyway boscox I think the Romans were nailing anyone looking a bid Gody to a cross long before the Birth of Islam - do you know what a jesuit is? Gods assassins - allegedly. And never forget God tried to wipe wicked humanity from the planet with the great Deluge ( I just like that word) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_myth

Me! I cant pick on one religion without picking on them all ;) But you need to understand not all people are bad people, far from it. Bad people are bad people.

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RE: The Real Dracula Practiced What Muslims Taught Him - 4/24/2017 9:29:06 AM   
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References to impairment go back to the 18th century BC., 2500 years before Islam was born.


Thats nice but no one posted that Muslims invented it

The point is that Muslims taught Dracula his trade while he was a hostage held by of the Ottoman Muslims

(Read the thread headline)

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RE: The Real Dracula Practiced What Muslims Taught Him - 4/24/2017 9:31:58 AM   
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References to impairment go back to the 18th century BC., 2500 years before Islam was born.


Thats nice but no one posted that Muslims invented it

The point is that Muslims taught Dracula his trade while he was a hostage held by of the Ottoman Muslims

(Read the thread headline)

His trade being repelling the Ottomans from Wallachia and Hungary, that probably wasn't what they tried to teach him.
Still, at least you've stopped claiming that Vlad Tepes was a moslem now, I suppose.

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RE: The Real Dracula Practiced What Muslims Taught Him - 4/24/2017 9:34:08 AM   
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His trade being terrorism



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RE: The Real Dracula Practiced What Muslims Taught Him - 4/24/2017 9:36:20 AM   
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His trade being terrorism



Really? And there was me thinking that he was the ruler of his own territory, and he repelled an invasion.

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RE: The Real Dracula Practiced What Muslims Taught Him - 4/24/2017 9:40:33 AM   
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His trade being terrorism



Really? And there was me thinking that he was the ruler of his own territory, and he repelled an invasion.


Vlad the Impaler isn't known for terrorism...

What else have you got going on in that freakish cartoon-like fantasy world inside that deranged little head of yours

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RE: The Real Dracula Practiced What Muslims Taught Him - 4/24/2017 9:42:00 AM   
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No, livescience and other sources tell us that Vlad III was Vlad the Impaler, aka Dracula, and the same man who converted to Islam and used the same basic Muslim tactics that Islamic State does, against his enemies

http://www.livescience.com/48536-vlad-the-impaler-dark-secrets.html

Reading comprehension isn't registering with you is it??

Let me break it down for you.........
  • Regardless of what he learned from his captors, Vlad didn't take kindly to being held prisoner.
    This is talking about Vlad.
    I think that's pretty obvious; but notice the period at the end.

  • On the contrary, his kid brother adjusted well to captivity, forging a friendship with the Sultan's son, Mehmet II, and eventually converting to Islam.
    This bit is talking about Vlads' kid brother; not Vlad!!
    It is all encompassed within a single sentence.

    Yes, Vlad was known as "Vlad the Impaler" - that wasn't being questioned.
    But your large-font highlight that he [Vlad] converted to Islam is a mis-reading of what you cited.
    Moron.


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    RE: The Real Dracula Practiced What Muslims Taught Him - 4/24/2017 11:29:59 AM   
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    His trade being terrorism



    Really? And there was me thinking that he was the ruler of his own territory, and he repelled an invasion.


    Vlad the Impaler isn't known for terrorism...


    No, he's not known for terrorism by any definition of terrorism that anybody ever uses. Maybe you should try reading a few?
    He was the leader of a state, and his nastiness was done with a standing army, rather than civilian combatants.
    He wasn't even a moslem.
    I think the term you're looking for is "warlord", which is what "voivode" (the title used for Tepes in that livescience piece you keep abusing) translates as.
    Nul points.

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    RE: The Real Dracula Practiced What Muslims Taught Him - 4/24/2017 11:35:51 AM   
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    impalement has been referenced in historical documents since 1800 years before Christ. Impalement was not uncommon during the time of Jeebus. It was not uncommon in Europe for adultery, infanticide, collaboration with the enemy, rapists, pedophiles and so on.

    as usual, the corpulent pedophile and compound gimp is hysterical and shitting his pants while felchgobbling hallucinatory cartoon idiocy into his crippled withered brain stem.

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    RE: The Real Dracula Practiced What Muslims Taught Him - 4/24/2017 11:54:24 AM   
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    Of course in the 1400s, torture was exhibited by most of europe by inquisition..especially Christianity
    joan of arc comes to mind.
    Not to mention witch trials
    Impaling was just a tool in the bag.
    poor old bosco is dumb as a bag of nails. Learn some history dood, altho it is funny to see you scrambling

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    RE: The Real Dracula Practiced What Muslims Taught Him - 4/24/2017 12:12:48 PM   
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    Of course in the 1400s, torture was exhibited by most of europe by inquisition..especially Christianity
    joan of arc comes to mind.
    Not to mention witch trials
    Impaling was just a tool in the bag.
    poor old bosco is dumb as a bag of nails. Learn some history dood, altho it is funny to see you scrambling


    Mohammad instructed his followers to use terrorism as a war tactic

    Dracula learned his torture methods from the Ottoman Muslims who were only following in Mohammad's footsteps

    And Muslims in groups such as ISIS are only following those same original footsteps today

    Your collective ad hominems and other moronic debate fallacies don't change any of those facts

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    RE: The Real Dracula Practiced What Muslims Taught Him - 4/24/2017 12:20:21 PM   
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    you are the one applying 20th century dictionary terms to 15 century actions and ignoring what brutality was going on in the world in the 1400s
    Thats not my problem, but yours.
    you wanna whinge about ad hominems, stop making them.


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    RE: The Real Dracula Practiced What Muslims Taught Him - 4/24/2017 12:21:58 PM   
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    Mohammad instructed his followers to use terrorism as a war tactic

    Where did he say that? They didn't have terrorism in the seventh century. People who put the wind up unbelievers in his name were his army or his followers.

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    Dracula learned his torture methods from the Ottoman Muslims who were only following in Mohammad's footsteps

    You should actually read that lifesciences thing you linked to: even during the dark ages torturing diplomatic hostages was seen as a bit much. He probably did get to learn the sodomy trick from them, but that was about it. His name was Tepes, not Stark.

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    And Muslims in groups such as ISIS are only following those same original footsteps today

    An unbroken legacy of terrorism and torture going right back to the founding of the religion, then. Shame the exemplar of these traits you've picked out was a Catholic rather than a moslem, but I suppose nobody's perfect.

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    Your collective ad hominems and other moronic debate fallacies don't change any of those facts

    Facts?

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    RE: The Real Dracula Practiced What Muslims Taught Him - 4/24/2017 12:31:24 PM   
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    you are the one applying 20th century dictionary terms to 15 century actions and ignoring what brutality was going on in the world in the 1400s
    Thats not my problem, but yours.
    you wanna whinge about ad hominems, stop making them.



    Still going on today

    Muslims bring a feel for the 1400s, the 600s, to the here and now

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    RE: The Real Dracula Practiced What Muslims Taught Him - 4/24/2017 12:36:03 PM   
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    lolololololololololol
    sorry
    nobody else does torture ..anywhere
    I get it
    just the mooselambs


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    RE: The Real Dracula Practiced What Muslims Taught Him - 4/24/2017 12:41:53 PM   
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    He knows, doesn't care. "just likes to see people squirm around" -- an admitted troll.

    Correct him all day long, it will make no difference. The attention is the point.

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    RE: The Real Dracula Practiced What Muslims Taught Him - 4/24/2017 5:22:23 PM   
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    Regardless, I think his persona is going through something of a retroactive PR upgrade.

    I shared this opinion with a Romanian friend of mine, who said quite matter-of-factly that he's always been a local favourite; it's the rest of the west that's just now coming around.


    People are beginning to pay attention to Islam now, more than in the past. And are therefore discarding the "religion of peace" propaganda that is proven to be so patently absurd to even the most casual observer


    I couldn't agree more, Bosco, however I'm concerned you may have grabbed this piece of history by the wrong end.

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