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BoscoX -> RE: GOP government shutdown looms . . . despite no one wanting it (4/25/2017 11:19:06 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

After the Obama's massive luxury vacation expenses.... alt left snake tears about expenses fail to impress

And the orange gibbon has already spent more than the whole 8 years of O'bamas vacation expenses.
And what's more, those expenses he bills the tax payer for goes straight into his own private coffers of his business empire.

In essence, he's ripping off the tax payer to line his own pockets!!

And you support this moronic and fraudulent behaviour??


You don't understand how his "reasoning" works.

1) Everything R is automatically good.
2) If it contradicts earlier stances, see #1 and ignore the contradiction
3) If it's so bizarre that even rule #1 looks stupid, those were just RINOs.
4) If asked to present actual evidence and reasoning, talk about Hilary, Obama, fake news, and how you're just a troll.




Quick, post a straw man fallacy, there isn't nearly enough ignorant childish trollish stupidity on these boards already



BoscoX -> RE: GOP government shutdown looms . . . despite no one wanting it (4/25/2017 11:21:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Funding for his border wall?
Massive military spending increases?
A sudden health care bill?
Tax reform just like that?
Infrastructure spending?

Can Trump use Friday to get what he wants to avoid a government shutdown?

Can the GOP majority manage to muster a majority to pass their own budget?
Will they blame Democrats if they can't find the votes in their own party?


WASHINGTON — Congressional leaders and White House officials have steered the nation to the brink of a government shutdown that virtually all parties agree would be a terrible idea.

While lawmakers seem eager to forge a deal before government funding expires on Friday, the Trump administration wants to use the deadline as a point of leverage that Democrats — and at least a few Republicans — do not believe they have, raising the prospects of a shutdown that had seemed unlikely.

President Trump’s team is straining to demonstrate progress on key campaign promises like money for a border wall and increased military spending, hoping to project success before Mr. Trump’s 100th day in office on Saturday. But any measure will require bipartisan support, and Democrats are unlikely to budge.

The standoff continues a Washington trend, as banal now as it is nonsensical to veterans of the Capitol: legislative cliff-jumping in the name of brinkmanship, frustration or some combination thereof, with no clear endgame.

More: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/23/us/politics/government-shutdown-congress-trump-administration.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0


It takes 60 votes to pass a budget, which makes your headline ignorant hyperpartisan garbage

Because there aren't 60 GOP Senators in the Senate



mnottertail -> RE: GOP government shutdown looms . . . despite no one wanting it (4/25/2017 11:25:17 AM)

Uh, budgets are simple majority and the budget act of 74 sets debate limit to 50 hours.

Thank you for your useless input. You aint real sharp.



Musicmystery -> RE: GOP government shutdown looms . . . despite no one wanting it (4/25/2017 12:00:56 PM)

It takes 60 votes to confirm a SC Justice too . . . oops. Not any more!



mnottertail -> RE: GOP government shutdown looms . . . despite no one wanting it (4/25/2017 12:01:38 PM)

thats hyperpartisan.



DesideriScuri -> RE: GOP government shutdown looms . . . despite no one wanting it (4/25/2017 12:41:40 PM)

FR,

This is how it always goes:
    1. One party holds at least two of the following: House, Senate, and Presidency.
    2. There isn't a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.
    3. The two big parties don't agree on much, as it pertains to spending and programs.
    4. Spending bills are seen as opportune times to attempt to leverage your way to get more of your party's programs and goals.
    5. If a deadline looms for passing a spending bill.... blame the GOP.


#5 is probably the most important one, and is just about as consistent as the rest.

Personally, I'd rather see Congress arguing than happily passing everything. I think it's a terrible state of affairs that the sky is going to fall if the Federal Government can't agree on how much of our earnings they're going to spend, because we're so reliant on the Federal Government for almost everything.



Musicmystery -> RE: GOP government shutdown looms . . . despite no one wanting it (4/25/2017 1:10:26 PM)

With the GOP controlling all three, doesn't it seem to you like problems ARE the fault of the GOP?

Isn't not like the Dems are secretly controlling the government.



mnottertail -> RE: GOP government shutdown looms . . . despite no one wanting it (4/25/2017 1:17:04 PM)

Its that goddam Hillary again.



BoscoX -> RE: GOP government shutdown looms . . . despite no one wanting it (4/25/2017 1:29:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

It takes 60 votes to confirm a SC Justice too . . . oops. Not any more!


Thanks Harry Reid, thanks Fuck Schumer

Of course, you are too partisan and in lockstep with your party fascists to admit the truth



mnottertail -> RE: GOP government shutdown looms . . . despite no one wanting it (4/25/2017 1:42:07 PM)

you are factless again gimp.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/04/06/us/politics/gorsuch-supreme-court-vote.html?_r=0

Reid isnt a senator, and Schumer voted against the nutsucker nuke.



Musicmystery -> RE: GOP government shutdown looms . . . despite no one wanting it (4/25/2017 1:59:27 PM)

...and that's why the GOP can't pass a budget.

Alt-right reasoning.



DesideriScuri -> RE: GOP government shutdown looms . . . despite no one wanting it (4/26/2017 8:27:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
With the GOP controlling all three, doesn't it seem to you like problems ARE the fault of the GOP?
Isn't not like the Dems are secretly controlling the government.


Refer to #2 & #3.





Musicmystery -> RE: GOP government shutdown looms . . . despite no one wanting it (4/26/2017 9:06:34 AM)

Budgets are simple majority votes.



WickedsDesire -> RE: GOP government shutdown looms . . . despite no one wanting it (4/26/2017 9:10:18 AM)

Scrotum - I thought they changed that one to simple majority musicmystery and i thought that one was untouchable myself.

I will refer you all back to the point 1.5 billion - is but a drop in the ocean, is it not.



Musicmystery -> RE: GOP government shutdown looms . . . despite no one wanting it (4/26/2017 3:25:22 PM)

?



DesideriScuri -> RE: GOP government shutdown looms . . . despite no one wanting it (4/26/2017 4:30:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Budgets are simple majority votes.


Point taken. I did not know that. I thought the normal filibuster rules were still in play. A quick search showed that budget resolutions are clipped to 50 hours of debate, and no more.

Thanks for the factoid.



Hillwilliam -> RE: GOP government shutdown looms . . . despite no one wanting it (4/26/2017 5:35:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

After the Obama's massive luxury vacation expenses.... alt left snake tears about expenses fail to impress

And the orange gibbon has already spent more than the whole 8 years of O'bamas vacation expenses.
And what's more, those expenses he bills the tax payer for goes straight into his own private coffers of his business empire.

In essence, he's ripping off the tax payer to line his own pockets!!

And you support this moronic and fraudulent behaviour??


You don't understand how his "reasoning" works.

1) Everything R is automatically good.
2) If it contradicts earlier stances, see #1 and ignore the contradiction
3) If it's so bizarre that even rule #1 looks stupid, those were just RINOs.
4) If asked to present actual evidence and reasoning, talk about Hilary, Obama, fake news, and how you're just a troll.



He has no reasoning. He is Comrade Alt-stupid



Lucylastic -> RE: GOP government shutdown looms . . . despite no one wanting it (4/26/2017 7:06:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

?

I think he meant SCOTUS



Termyn8or -> RE: GOP government shutdown looms . . . despite no one wanting it (4/26/2017 7:30:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SecondBestBoy

Incredibly, Trump is already trying to blame this on... wait for it... Democrats. Despite the GOP controlling all branches of government.


Who do you think did it ? He certainly hasn't, he hasn't had a chance.

T^T



BoscoX -> RE: GOP government shutdown looms . . . despite no one wanting it (5/3/2017 7:02:54 AM)

Turns out, another fit of hysteria over a big fat nothingburger

How surprising



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