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Is the news broken?


Yes
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No. Slobbers Townhall, drools breitbart (sounds of insane laughter)
  6% (1)
BBC, Wiki etc aint too bad
  12% (2)
It was totally trumps fault
  6% (1)
It was totally Hillary fault
  12% (2)
It was Aliens
  12% (2)
6 wenches to go please
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RE: Is the news broken? - 4/25/2017 11:17:36 AM   
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from that same post:

"RESEARCH ON MEDIA BIAS"

...and on and on and on...


And interestingly, the cite is biased.

"This website describes the networks and agendas of the political Left."
So here we have, by their own admission, a right-wing group criticising the media as left wing.

How typical.



How long do you think you would have to wait before you ever hear the left wing media seriously criticizing itself

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RE: Is the news broken? - 4/25/2017 11:51:27 AM   
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nowhere as long as it would take for the 'rightwing media' to come out and admit that they are factless nutsucker slobberblogs.

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RE: Is the news broken? - 4/25/2017 11:55:18 AM   
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How long do you think you would have to wait before you ever hear the left wing media seriously criticizing itself

How long do you think you would have to wait before you ever hear the right wing media seriously criticizing itself??



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RE: Is the news broken? - 4/25/2017 1:22:04 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX
How long do you think you would have to wait before you ever hear the left wing media seriously criticizing itself

How long do you think you would have to wait before you ever hear the right wing media seriously criticizing itself??




Happens constantly

Just like right here, conservatives call each others bs. Conservatives don't march in lockstep like leftists do, and thinking is even encouraged

The masked thugs in the news attacking people for speaking? Are leftists

No surprise there either

Leftists here drag faggot memes around and yuck it up over them, no one calls them on it. Not even DC or any other gay leftist members

Mnottertroll knows only to accuse people of being gay, and ManiacalMysery calls him "sharp"

"Yuck yuck yuck"



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RE: Is the news broken? - 4/25/2017 1:45:27 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

from that same post:

"RESEARCH ON MEDIA BIAS"

...and on and on and on...


And interestingly, the cite is biased.

"This website describes the networks and agendas of the political Left."
So here we have, by their own admission, a right-wing group criticising the media as left wing.

How typical.



yeah because, as I said, ucla, Harvard, the pew research center and additionally, the confession from the guy in the ny times---all right wingers!!

and of course ANY right wing source's studies MUST be discounted, simply because of the source right?

im a conservative leaning libertarian---does that "bias" mean im unable to look at data, or material, analyze it, and make conclusions from it without "bias?" that is, am I unable to be just and fair in my judgments?

I hinted at this earlier---everyone needs to get a handle on the subtleties in the use of that word.

i encourage you to go back and read all the posts again.




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RE: Is the news broken? - 4/25/2017 3:15:29 PM   
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traitors to the cause, the lot of them! (or, "LEFT WING journalists telling the truth about themselves")

"Journalists Admitting Liberal Bias, Part One"

quote:

“You know, it’s fairly well discussed inside CBS News that there are some managers recently who have been so ideologically entrenched that there is a feeling and discussion that some of them, certainly not all of them, have a difficult time viewing a story that may reflect negatively upon government or the administration as a story of value....They never mind the stories that seem to, for example — and I did plenty of them — go against the grain of the Republican Party....I didn’t sense any resistance in doing stories that were perceived to be negative to the Bush administration — by anybody, ever. I have done stories that I perceived were not received well because people thought they would reflect poorly upon this [the Obama] administration.”
— Former CBS News investigative correspondent Sharyl Attkisson on CNN’s Reliable Sources, April 20, 2014.

Buzzfeed’s Michael Hastings: “The presence of Obama, even on the press corps, even on the people who follow him every day, when they’re near him, they lose their mind sometimes. You know, they start behaving in ways that are juvenile and amateurish. And they swoon.”
Host Martin Bashir: “And, of course, you don’t.”
Hastings: “Oh, I do. No, I do, I do, I do. Oh, I totally, oh, man....”
— Discussing Hastings’ book about the 2012 presidential campaign on MSNBC’s Martin Bashir, January 24, 2013.

“So many [reporters and editors] share a kind of political and cultural progressivism — for lack of a better term — that this worldview virtually bleeds through the fabric of the Times. As a result, developments like the Occupy movement and gay marriage seem almost to erupt in the Times, overloved and undermanaged, more like causes than news subjects.”
— Outgoing public editor Arthur Brisbane in his final New York Times column, August 26, 2012.

“No person with eyes in his head in 2008 could have failed to see the way that soft coverage helped to propel Obama first to the Democratic nomination and then into the White House.”
— New York Magazine political reporter John Heilemann, January 27, 2012.

“When Newsweek was owned by the Washington Post, it was predictably left-wing, but it was accurate. Under Tina Brown, it is an inaccurate and unfair left-wing propaganda machine.”
— USA Today founder Al Neuharth in his August 19, 2011 column.

MSNBC's Joe Scarborough: "The media has been really, really biased this campaign, I think....Is the media just in love with history here, Mark, do you think?"...
Time's Mark Halperin: "I think mistakes have been made and people will regret it....If Obama wins and goes on to become a hugely successful President, I think, still, people will look back and say it just wasn't done the right way."
— MSNBC's Morning Joe, October 28, 2008.

"I don't know if it's 95 percent...[but] there are enough [liberals] in the old media, not just in ABC, but in old media generally, that it tilts the coverage quite frequently, in many issues, in a liberal direction....It's an endemic problem. And again, it's the reason why for 40 years, conservatives have rightly felt that we did not give them a fair shake."
-ABC News political director Mark Halperin appearing on The Hugh Hewitt Show, October 30, 2006.


bunches more here:

http://www.mrc.org/media-bias-101/journalists-admitting-liberal-bias-part-one

ohhh, all the way back to 1989!

quote:

"As the science editor at Time I would freely admit that on this issue we have crossed the boundary from news reporting to advocacy."
— Time Science Editor Charles Alexander at a September 16, 1989 global warming conference, as quoted by David Brooks in an October 5, 1989 Wall Street Journal column.


http://www.mrc.org/media-bias-101/journalists-admitting-liberal-bias-part-two

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RE: Is the news broken? - 4/25/2017 3:58:28 PM   
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"The Media Bubble Is Worse Than You Think"

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We crunched the data on where journalists work and how fast it’s changing. The results should worry you.

How did big media miss the Donald Trump swell? News organizations old and new, large and small, print and online, broadcast and cable assigned phalanxes of reporters armed with the most sophisticated polling data and analysis to cover the presidential campaign. The overwhelming assumption was that the race was Hillary Clinton’s for the taking, and the real question wasn’t how sweeping her November victory would be, but how far out to sea her wave would send political parvenu Trump. Today, it’s Trump who occupies the White House and Clinton who’s drifting out to sea—an outcome that arrived not just as an embarrassment for the press but as an indictment. In some profound way, the election made clear, the national media just doesn’t get the nation it purportedly covers.

What went so wrong? What’s still wrong? To some conservatives, Trump’s surprise win on November 8 simply bore out what they had suspected, that the Democrat-infested press was knowingly in the tank for Clinton all along. The media, in this view, was guilty not just of confirmation bias but of complicity. But the knowing-bias charge never added up: No news organization ignored the Clinton emails story, and everybody feasted on the damaging John Podesta email cache that WikiLeaks served up buffet-style. Practically speaking, you’re not pushing Clinton to victory if you’re pantsing her and her party to voters almost daily.

The answer to the press’ myopia lies elsewhere, and nobody has produced a better argument for how the national media missed the Trump story than FiveThirtyEight’s Nate Silver, who pointed out that the ideological clustering in top newsrooms led to groupthink. “As of 2013, only 7 percent of [journalists] identified as Republicans,” Silver wrote in March, chiding the press for its political homogeneity. Just after the election, presidential strategist Steve Bannon savaged the press on the same point but with a heartier vocabulary. “The media bubble is the ultimate symbol of what’s wrong with this country,” Bannon said. “It’s just a circle of people talking to themselves who have no fucking idea what’s going on.”

The map at the top of this piece shows how concentrated media jobs have become in the nation’s most Democratic-leaning counties. Counties that voted for Donald Trump in 2016 are in red, and Hillary Clinton counties are in blue, with darker colors signifying higher vote margins. The bubbles represent the 150 counties with the most newspaper and internet publishing jobs. Not only do most of the bubbles fall in blue counties, chiefly on the coasts, but an outright majority of the jobs are in the deepest-blue counties, where Clinton won by 30 points or more.

But journalistic groupthink is a symptom, not a cause. And when it comes to the cause, there’s another, blunter way to think about the question than screaming “bias” and “conspiracy,” or counting D’s and R’s. That’s to ask a simple question about the map. Where do journalists work, and how much has that changed in recent years? To determine this, my colleague Tucker Doherty excavated labor statistics and cross-referenced them against voting patterns and Census data to figure out just what the American media landscape looks like, and how much it has changed.

The results read like a revelation. The national media really does work in a bubble, something that wasn’t true as recently as 2008. And the bubble is growing more extreme. Concentrated heavily along the coasts, the bubble is both geographic and political. If you’re a working journalist, odds aren’t just that you work in a pro-Clinton county—odds are that you reside in one of the nation’s most pro-Clinton counties. And you’ve got company: If you’re a typical reader of Politico, chances are you’re a citizen of bubbleville, too.

The “media bubble” trope might feel overused by critics of journalism who want to sneer at reporters who live in Brooklyn or California and don’t get the “real America” of southern Ohio or rural Kansas. But these numbers suggest it’s no exaggeration: Not only is the bubble real, but it’s more extreme than you might realize. And it’s driven by deep industry trends…

As newspapers have dwindled, internet publishers have added employees at a bracing clip. According to BLS data, a startling boom in “internet publishing and broadcasting” jobs has taken place. Since January 2008, internet publishing has grown from 77,900 jobs to 206,700 in January 2017. In late 2015, during Barack Obama’s second term, these two trend lines—jobs in newspapers, and jobs in internet publishing—finally crossed. For the first time, the number of workers in internet publishing exceeded the number of their newspaper brethren. Internet publishers are now adding workers at nearly twice the rate newspaper publishers are losing them.

This isn’t just a shift in medium. It’s also a shift in sociopolitics, and a radical one. Where newspaper jobs are spread nationwide, internet jobs are not: Today, 73 percent of all internet publishing jobs are concentrated in either the Boston-New York-Washington-Richmond corridor or the West Coast crescent that runs from Seattle to San Diego and on to Phoenix. The Chicagoland area, a traditional media center, captures 5 percent of the jobs, with a paltry 22 percent going to the rest of the country. And almost all the real growth of internet publishing is happening outside the heartland, in just a few urban counties, all places that voted for Clinton. So when your conservative friends use “media” as a synonym for “coastal” and “liberal,” they’re not far off the mark.

What caused the majority of national media jobs to concentrate on the coasts? An alignment of the stars? A flocking of like-minded humans? The answer is far more structural, and far more difficult to alter: It was economics that done the deed…

The online media, liberated from printing presses and local ad bases, has been free to form clusters, piggyback-style, on the industries and government that it covers. New York is home to most business coverage because of the size of the business and banking community there. Likewise, national political reporting has concentrated in Washington and grown apace with the federal government. Entertainment and cultural reporting has bunched in New York and Los Angeles, where those businesses are strong.

The result? If you look at the maps on the next page, you don’t need to be a Republican campaign strategist to grasp just how far the “media bubble” has drifted from the average American experience. Newspaper jobs are far more evenly scattered across the country, including the deep red parts. But as those vanish, it’s internet jobs that are driving whatever growth there is in media—and those fall almost entirely in places that are dense, blue and right in the bubble.

As the votes streamed in on election night, evidence that the country had further cleaved into two Americas became palpable. With few exceptions, Clinton ran the table in urban America, while Trump ran it in the ruralities. And as you might suspect, Clinton dominated where internet publishing jobs abound. Nearly 90 percent of all internet publishing employees work in a county where Clinton won, and 75 percent of them work in a county that she won by more than 30 percentage points. When you add in the shrinking number of newspaper jobs, 72 percent of all internet publishing or newspaper employees work in a county that Clinton won. By this measure, of course, Clinton was the national media’s candidate.

Resist—if you can—the conservative reflex to absorb this data and conclude that the media deliberately twists the news in favor of Democrats. Instead, take it the way a social scientist would take it: The people who report, edit, produce and publish news can’t help being affected—deeply affected—by the environment around them. Former New York Times public editor Daniel Okrent got at this when he analyzed the decidedly liberal bent of his newspaper’s staff in a 2004 column that rewards rereading today. The “heart, mind, and habits” of the Times, he wrote, cannot be divorced from the ethos of the cosmopolitan city where it is produced. On such subjects as abortion, gay rights, gun control and environmental regulation, the Times’ news reporting is a pretty good reflection of its region’s dominant predisposition. And yes, a Times-ian ethos flourishes in all of internet publishing’s major cities—Los Angeles, New York, Boston, Seattle, San Francisco and Washington. The Times thinks of itself as a centrist national newspaper, but it’s more accurate to say its politics are perfectly centered on the slices of America that look and think the most like Manhattan.

Something akin to the Times ethos thrives in most major national newsrooms found on the Clinton coasts—CNN, CBS, the Washington Post, BuzzFeed, Politico and the rest. Their reporters, an admirable lot, can parachute into Appalachia or the rural Midwest on a monthly basis and still not shake their provincial sensibilities: Reporters tote their bubbles with them…

Journalism tends toward the autobiographical unless reporters and editors make a determined effort to separate themselves from the frame of their own experiences. The best medicine for journalistic myopia isn’t reeducation camps or a splurge of diversity hiring, though tiny doses of those two remedies wouldn’t hurt. Journalists respond to their failings best when their vanity is punctured with proof that they blew a story that was right in front of them. If the burning humiliation of missing the biggest political story in a generation won’t change newsrooms, nothing will. More than anything, journalists hate getting beat.


http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/25/media-bubble-real-journalism-jobs-east-coast-215048

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RE: Is the news broken? - 4/25/2017 4:17:03 PM   
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Happens constantly

Just like right here, conservatives call each others bs. Conservatives don't march in lockstep like leftists do, and thinking is even encouraged

The masked thugs in the news attacking people for speaking? Are leftists

No surprise there either

Leftists here drag faggot memes around and yuck it up over them, no one calls them on it. Not even DC or any other gay leftist members


I can say exactly the same about both sides.
I don't see any one side better than the other.
Both sides are throwing shit at each other.

Unfortunately, people like you, only see things from one side.
Anything that agrees with you is ok and must be right.
Anything that doesn't must be leftist.

We see it every time on every one of your posts.
Sometimes there are things which have nothing whatsoever to do with politics.
But if you don't agree with it, it must be leftist or liberal or lies.
If you can't throw a political sideswipe, it goes to personal insults.
Every cite you ever make is highly biased or has nothing to do with your point.

What a sorry, sad, naive person moron you must be.


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RE: Is the news broken? - 4/25/2017 4:24:44 PM   
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Didn't that Russell "asshat" Brand set up something of that sort to general apathy and indifference a few years back?


He did - and ended up being pretty embarrassed by that and everything else he'd done in the world of politics at the time, IIRC.

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RE: Is the news broken? - 4/25/2017 5:22:14 PM   
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the news started to get "broken" when journalists began to see themselves as activists whose job it is to perpetuate their worldview.

left wing (mainstream) media bias is so prevalent that any fair minded person with an ounce of objectivity should be embarrassed by it.

while im here---if you, like so many of the other comrades here have a problem with townhall, which is not strictly a "news site" but rather a commentary one, how about actually dealing effectively with the CONTENT as opposed to impotently flailing about it as a source simply because it presents a view with which you disagree.





you skipped a step, it started with the gubblemint saying hey fucker you want a story? Ok then suck my dick and I will tell you what to print.


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RE: Is the news broken? - 4/25/2017 5:43:53 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX
Happens constantly

Just like right here, conservatives call each others bs. Conservatives don't march in lockstep like leftists do, and thinking is even encouraged

The masked thugs in the news attacking people for speaking? Are leftists

No surprise there either

Leftists here drag faggot memes around and yuck it up over them, no one calls them on it. Not even DC or any other gay leftist members


I can say exactly the same about both sides.
I don't see any one side better than the other.
Both sides are throwing shit at each other.

Unfortunately, people like you, only see things from one side.
Anything that agrees with you is ok and must be right.
Anything that doesn't must be leftist.

We see it every time on every one of your posts.
Sometimes there are things which have nothing whatsoever to do with politics.
But if you don't agree with it, it must be leftist or liberal or lies.
If you can't throw a political sideswipe, it goes to personal insults.
Every cite you ever make is highly biased or has nothing to do with your point.

What a sorry, sad, naive person moron you must be.



No, I am very happy

You are a sad little troll though, very shallow minded. Like all other leftists (practically) you have to make these threads personal because you haven't the wit to attack the meat of what I post

Point out a leftist here calling out another. I can think of one single example, some brainless pile of shit made an Easter thread attacking Jesus and MM did correct him

Very rare, so rare and unusual that several people commented on it



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RE: Is the news broken? - 4/25/2017 6:10:59 PM   
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The media has always been biased. There is no such thing as complete objectivity and balance.

There are generally right or left wing papers/programmes/channels who make serious attempts to be professional and balanced or who say honestly that they are presenting a particular world-view from the outset. Plenty however claim to be presenting the "truth" about things, which is usually a good indication that they are lying through their teeth.

But it's not all the publisher's fault. Readers and viewers have to demonstrate some kind of critical capacity as well. There is a noticeable right or left wing bias in much of the established media (bearing in mind that most people outside the States struggle to identify your "left wing" media as left wing) but the public is just as much to blame for the rise of "alternative" factually-challenged media as politicians and journalists.

Believing anything if it supports or undermines Trump, as part of a left or right hating rant is not the preserve of politicians or journalists as evidenced from this very website. Fake news is so powerful precisely because many people are so partisan that they are willing to believe anything if it is the right side of the argument for them.

Trump charges the US far more for protection and messing around doing state business at his private club than any previous administration because he doesn't like Camp David and maintains his family outside of the White House with full state protection. People are so partisan now that this fact isn't a scandal and indeed is flat denied by many on the right

A few years ago a President would not have been able to do this and would have had to reduce his expenses under pressure from both the right and left wing media, and more importantly, the public.

Who broke the media? There's always been good and bad, left and right, progressive and reactionary, serious and bonkers. People have always published total twaddle but, on the whole, it has never been taken seriously.

Who takes fake news seriously and gives it the oxygen of credibility?

We do. Just look at the partisan name-calling going on here, on Facebook and on many other sites. The people have spoken and they like total bollocks, well some of them do as long as it is total partisan bollocks. And once they have fallen in love with the bollocks they can call out proper journalism from the other side as fake.

Left and right. Neither tribe is immune.

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RE: Is the news broken? - 4/25/2017 6:18:06 PM   
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the news started to get "broken" when journalists began to see themselves as activists whose job it is to perpetuate their worldview.

left wing (mainstream) media bias is so prevalent that any fair minded person with an ounce of objectivity should be embarrassed by it.

while im here---if you, like so many of the other comrades here have a problem with townhall, which is not strictly a "news site" but rather a commentary one, how about actually dealing effectively with the CONTENT as opposed to impotently flailing about it as a source simply because it presents a view with which you disagree.


Comrade bounty does your history book discuss 'yellow journalism' aka w.r. hearst?


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RE: Is the news broken? - 4/25/2017 7:42:18 PM   
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When I first took journalism, the ideal was ethical; unbiased reporting of verified facts. I wrote a thesis on the subject. So long ago, I can't even remember most of it. Still, my idealistic notion of ethical journalism remains.

Historically, there have been journalist who have risked their lives to investigate a story. Too few and too far between, sadly.

Ethical journalists can't send their articles to print if the story has a conflict of interest with news media's owners or advertisers.
Without a news medias backing, a journalist takes risks that can professionally, financially and socially ruin them.

I hope Wiki can provide a media for unbiased, non-partisan verified and properly researched articles by ethical journalists.
That, would be impressive.

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RE: Is the news broken? - 4/26/2017 1:15:58 PM   
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We have so much to thank serious ethical journalism for, but journalism exists in a wider social context.

In a world where so many people are looking for sensationalism, it's hardly surprising that they get what they want.

I absolutely agree that the structure of the media makes it more difficult for journalists to operate but, just as people sometimes get the government that they want or deserve, the same is true of journalism.

Lazily blaming journalists and the media in general for what people choose to consume is just too easy.

If you click on several fake news stories a day, those stories are going to multiply and take over your media experience.

People are never good at looking into their own hearts or indeed looking at a mirror and realising that if they want something sometimes they have to value it and fight for it, instead of blaming someone else. Too many people think they are too savvy to need good journalists.

If Wiki can provide the right platform for a true alternative to trash it will be impressive. I'll be even more impressed if people actually make it their choice for news and put their money where their mouth is.


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