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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/1/2017 8:14:24 PM   
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I'm sure that would really endear them to trans men to know your "lesbian girlfriends" didn't view them as men. I'm sure they would be lining up to date such women..

Yes, many Lesbian women dates Butches. Who dresses like men and tries to look like men and often play the masculine role. But it will probably end if the butch decides to surgically install a cock on her.


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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/1/2017 8:16:18 PM   
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And you guys are just falsifying bullshit that majority of Lesbians will date Transgendered M2F.

Please show me where I said that. I'll wait.


So what are you countering me about then? You either agree or disagree with these statements.

"Majority of Lesbians will date Transgendered M2F."

OR

"Majoirty of Lesbians will NOT date Transgendered M2F"


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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/1/2017 8:17:42 PM   
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Yes, many Lesbian women dates Butches. Who dresses like men and tries to look like men and often play the masculine role. But it will probably end if the butch decides to surgically install a cock on her.

A butch lesbian is not a trans man, you fucking imbecile.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/1/2017 8:19:27 PM   
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A butch lesbian is not a trans man, you fucking imbecile.

Many Trans men have not installed a cock in them yet ya know. Even if they took pills to grow beard and stuffs. Haven't you heard of the transgendered male who gave birth?

Just like many Trans woman have not installed a vagina inside them. They may just do the boobs.


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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/1/2017 8:20:45 PM   
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I think I can see where Greta is coming from.

I haven't met or seen any m2f transitions where they actually look, behave, move and give the air of being a 'female'.
Even if they have all the right surgery, all the hormones, they still don't seem like a genuine and real female that even a rough and ragged tom-boy female gives.

There's always something not-quite-right with a transitioned female.
I think many can see or sense that and a lot of women are far more astute than males.
That's probably why lesbians tend to shun m2f trans people more than normal cis-females.
Heck, it's bad enough being a trans in this world without half the population having uber-sensitivities that can spot them a mile off.

Gays and lesbians are often accepted for being what they are (in progressive/enlightened countries) but trans people are still out on a limb when it comes to acceptance in any community.
Beating prejudice is going to take quite some time to fix.


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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/1/2017 8:27:03 PM   
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So what are you countering me about then? You either agree or disagree with these statements.

"Majority of Lesbians will date Transgendered M2F."

OR

"Majoirty of Lesbians will NOT date Transgendered M2F"

I have no idea where the numbers fall, and frankly, neither do you. You said point blank "Trying to get a Lesbian to Date A transgender is like trying to get a Straight Man to date a Gay Man."

You seem to be operating under the fallacy that lesbian women don't see trans women as women. While this is certainly true for some, it's not true for all, even if that seems counter to the infp you're getting from your vast pool of "lesbian girlfriends".


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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/1/2017 8:32:43 PM   
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Actually, stef, many people, both male and female, don't see or acknowledge trans women as 'women'.

There are 2 lesbo's on my street.
They think trans women are men who deliberately disguised themselves to fuck more women.

Ther are many who accept trans people as their transitioned gender.
But I think there are far more who don't/won't accept the transition.

I am biased but I've tried to be objective on this one.


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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/1/2017 8:44:03 PM   
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Actually, stef, many people, both male and female, don't see or acknowledge trans women as 'women'.

There are 2 lesbo's on my street.
They think trans women are men who deliberately disguised themselves to fuck more women.

Ther are many who accept trans people as their transitioned gender.
But I think there are far more who don't/won't accept the transition.

I am biased but I've tried to be objective on this one.


There are definitely brain differences between males and females. so I get that part. The basic wiring may never allow a trans person to actually think like a woman.

Wishy washy jenner didn't help matters either.

More like "clown of the year"

Making blanket statements is usually what Greta catches flack for-lazy thinking.



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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/1/2017 9:36:45 PM   
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There are several different parts to this. I'm probably not going to organize my thoughts well but I'm giving it a shot anyway.


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You see it all the time. Straight people hating gY people. Gay people hearing them back.

This is something that has always had an undertone because of where and when I started in kink. I've written several posts (usually found in P&R) about what some of the kink communities were like after the passage and repeal of (then) what was known as Amendment two. There definitely were het kinky people who voted for that garbage piece of legislation, which was nothing more than a hate bill to remove equal rights protections from gay people. Wasn't bad enough that I lived in the town where Focus on the Family was trying to convince people that they could "pray the gay away" and other ridiculous crap.

That didn't just 'go away' when that idiot thing was repealed. I never saw it that way.

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Lesbians not accepting m2f lesbian transgenders

This part isn't new, either. Heck, I know both lesbian women and gay men who won't date people who are bi-sexual. Not that six on the Kinsey scale? Not interested. I even know bi-sexual women that will not date bi-sexual or even hetero-flexible men. (I know it sounds funny, but it's a real thing.)

The gay and lesbian communities weren't exactly all singing Kumbaya when bi-sexual people felt they were having the same struggles as the gay community. Basically, there were some folks in the G and L portion of those communities didn't see it as the same thing because so many bi-sexual folks could fly under the radar anytime they were in a relationship with a partner that was of the opposite gender because that looked 'het enough' to get a pass at least part of the time. That wasn't exactly 'happy, happy, joy, joy'. There were a lot of gay and lesbian people who didn't really want that "B" added.

Even worse when that "T" got added. It honestly wasn't that long ago that there were uproars in certain communities (one of which is in your own backyard) because trans women weren't welcome at "female only" events. When a certain club in your state changed a certain event from 'female only' to 'female identifying,' there was all kinds of backlash. That first go-round was a damned mess. Two trans women attended and they were permitted entry. (Not permitting them entry would have been prejudice.) After that, it was an issue of preference by the other attendees. One of those people wrote this scathing review of the event because many of the cis women wouldn't socialize with them, which is something you can't force people attending an event to do. It got better at subsequent events but it was a rough start.

The thing is, dating, socializing, friendships, etc, really aren't the EEO. Everybody is allowed to based their own decisions about interactions, really do have their own right to their personal preferences. There definitely will be people, both gay and straight, that will never see you as a woman, even if you fully transition, have bottom surgery, and all of that other stuff, because you were assigned male at birth and have lived part of your life as a male. You're never going to be able to FORCE everyone to see you as female or think that you deserve a relationship with another woman based on the fact that you are transgender and nobody else gets their own choices. That's something I think every transgendered person has to accept.

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And what's wrong wth a m2f choosing to be a lesbian after their surgery?

Not a thing. A person's gender identity is not the same thing as their sexual orientation.

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It seems that of all the LGBTQ community are the outcasts, people thinking they're only they're only in it for the sex.

It's correct that some people do think it's about the sex because so many people do come from the fetish background as cross-dressers (which can be very much about the sex) prior to their identity as trans*.

However, I'm not big on this theory about how 'kinky people are outcasts from vanillas' or 'gay people are outcasts' so just because a person identifies as something similar to other people, so that automatically means that a person gets acceptance just because of their dispositions.

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Please lend your thoughts about the way transgenders are treated even by the LGBTQ community,

I'm failing to grasp why you might be thinking that lesbian women are going to be any different than any other category of women about stuff like this. Not every woman is going to see your struggle as similar to their struggle.

If I am going in the correct direction based on other threads and posts that you have made, you have not yet had bottom surgery. That means a heck of a lot of people are going to see you as male. Last time I checked, most gay women aren't into people with male parts, because the majority of those women want to have relationships with women. That means that you don't match their desires. That whole 'transition to' thing that you're going to be doing for a minimum of three years, doesn't match what they want now.

That's not even touching just how hard it is to deal with a person who is doing the process. The extra BS and boatload of issues that a person comes with while they are transitionING is a crap load of hormones and surgeries and therapies. That stuff, for years, is not a flipping picnic. Not everybody is going to be willing to invite all of that into their life. Guess who else gets to deal with those things right along with you? That's right. The person you start a relationship with. I have never heard anyone who is in a relationship with a trans* person ever say this was all sunshine and roses. Most people just really don't want to take that crap on because it is just so much easier to be involved with the next person over that doesn't come with serious, significant baggage.




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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/1/2017 10:59:38 PM   
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I don't know what is the complain about.
Of course lesbians won't want M2F who are into Females, as Lesbians are into biological Females. No matter what, they will see you as a male, no matter how much you want to market yourself as a Female. Or want to be accepted as a Female, because you are biologically male.

The moment you choose to change your gender surgically, you already know that, that will drastically reduce your ability to find a relationship as transgenders are neither here nor there. They are neither 100% Female or 100% Male.

So why not date other M2Fs? And stick to those? Why are you going after biological women?

I mean, even M2F who are into males, will find it difficult to find men who will accept them right as Females right? Most men also prefer biological Females.

And in the BDSM community, I don't really see a Prejudice. Because it's like, I won't mess around with a Sadist for example, because I am not into it.

Lesbians won't mess around you because they aren't into transgenders.



Damn, I miss one meeting of the Lesbian Sisterhood and find out some misinformed straight person is now deciding who we Lesbians will or will not date.
What other decisions are you making for us now as well? I thought I'd wear a green T-shirt and shorts tomorrow instead of the required flannel shirt and jeans. It's going to be warm, that ok by you?

Oh one more thing, we generally like men, we don't date them because well, we aren't attracted to them.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/2/2017 1:42:12 AM   
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Oh one more thing, we generally like men, we don't date them because well, we aren't attracted to them.

That's what I said. No sexual attraction to Males. And Transgendered M2F are biological Males.

So you are telling me, cross your heart that you will date a transgendered female with a cock below and consider them as your life partner?

Swear on your life? Or the person you love the most life? Swear it!

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/2/2017 1:47:56 AM   
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You seem to be operating under the fallacy that lesbian women don't see trans women as women. While this is certainly true for some, it's not true for all, even if that seems counter to the infp you're getting from your vast pool of "lesbian girlfriends".


I believe this is true for majority!

As LP said too, which I agree, many Lesbians will not date bisexuals too!

The Lesbians over here, often get really upset about a "self-proclaim" Lesbian, still fucking men.


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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/2/2017 1:51:11 AM   
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Making blanket statements is usually what Greta catches flack for-lazy thinking.

True Blanket Statements. Most Lesbian Females, and I'd even make the figure 99%, will not CHOOSE a transgender M2F over a biological Female.
They aren't attracted to Men. Just because the Man decided to become a woman. He is still a biological Man. Reality of that cannot be changed.

A biological man is a FACT that cannot be changed.

Transgender community just need to date among themselves.

IF there are like 800k transgendered people in the US, that's enough to choose from.

No point for Transgenders like OP coming here crying about Lesbians not accepting them to be female enough. Because most Lesbians won't accept them as authentic females.

OP needs to focus on just socialising with her own Transgendered community and date within. It's like you know, forcing a metal head to love Pop music. It's like ridiculous! Just stick to Pop Music folks!

You can't force the Lesbians to date you by screaming "prejudice", just like you can't force a straight man to date a gay man, by screaming "prejudice".

Natural sexual orientation and what people feel sexual attraction to is not "Prejudice".



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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/2/2017 4:44:35 AM   
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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/2/2017 6:26:32 AM   
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I don't know what is the complain about.
Of course lesbians won't want M2F who are into Females, as Lesbians are into biological Females. No matter what, they will see you as a male, no matter how much you want to market yourself as a Female. Or want to be accepted as a Female, because you are biologically male.

The moment you choose to change your gender surgically, you already know that, that will drastically reduce your ability to find a relationship as transgenders are neither here nor there. They are neither 100% Female or 100% Male.

So why not date other M2Fs? And stick to those? Why are you going after biological women?

I mean, even M2F who are into males, will find it difficult to find men who will accept them right as Females right? Most men also prefer biological Females.

And in the BDSM community, I don't really see a Prejudice. Because it's like, I won't mess around with a Sadist for example, because I am not into it.

Lesbians won't mess around you because they aren't into transgenders.



Bloody hell Greta, will you give it a rest. You have a very narrow field of vision on transgender, so please just stop talking about it, because you just show your complete ignorance now every time you post.

My MtF friend, who I've known for over 25 years, has always dated women. She is with a woman now. Lesbians are not all as closed mind, and fixated on your opinion about the ways of transgender.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/2/2017 8:28:44 AM   
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Try something fun. Put Greta on hide; watch 33% of the moronic drivel disappear from the boards like magic!

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/2/2017 9:08:37 AM   
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Well, whether BDSM, LGBTQIAA++WKRP, or otherwise, the prejudice against unattractive people seems to be ineradicable.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/2/2017 9:16:43 AM   
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Try something fun. Put Greta on hide; watch 33% of the moronic drivel disappear from the boards like magic!

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/2/2017 9:58:53 AM   
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Oh one more thing, we generally like men, we don't date them because well, we aren't attracted to them.

That's what I said. No sexual attraction to Males. And Transgendered M2F are biological Males.

So you are telling me, cross your heart that you will date a transgendered female with a cock below and consider them as your life partner?

Swear on your life? Or the person you love the most life? Swear it!


No that is most definitely NOT what you said. "Most Lesbians are Lesbians because they do not like Males. " As for would I date a transgendered female,
Quick question first.. Just who the fuck are you to demand I do something? Seriously, what are you 5? You want to ask me a question ask it, but
throw in bull shit like that? I don't care how many exclamation points you use, I don't play double dog dare with a petty hateful person such as you.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/2/2017 10:43:29 AM   
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Making blanket statements is usually what Greta catches flack for-lazy thinking.

That's kind of why blanket statements don't work for just about anybody. It's just impossible to do because it's not even a blanket issue, as there are variables attached to it. From what I've observed, those variables matter.

(I'm going to apologize in advance because some of this is going to sound really crappy.)

There's always going to be some people who will not accept people who have transitioned into their preferred gender because they were assigned a different gender at birth. Basically, the chromosome debate.

Whether a person has had bottom surgery or not can still be a really big deal to some people because that's still the way some people correspond their interpretation of gender. (Aka penis= male, vagina = female.)

How well (or not) a person passes as they are going through transition. People who pass better (I warned you some of these terms were going to be crappy) can have it a bit smoother in society in general (i.e., among others that don't know them personally) because they look 'female enough' or 'male enough'. There's a difference between 'that's just another woman' and 'that person looks like a guy in a dress'.

I also see a lot of things said related to how long a person has lived in their preferred gender identity. Somebody who has lived in their preferred gender identity for decades is more likely to have a good grasp about their medical care, better coping mechanisms, at least some people in their lives who perceive them as the only gender they've ever know the person, etc, etc, etc. That is definitely different than somebody who is just starting their transition and hasn't gotten to that point yet.

I dislike what could be termed as 'trans* hate speech' as much as the next person. At the same time, I see it as a way to at least get a better grasp on what opinions really do exist out there. The reverse, seems to me, like burying my head in the sand. It doesn't do me a lot of good not to accept that as a part of reality. (This is not my promise to cease debating opposing opinions. )

It's kind of a shame that some of the posters we had here even five years ago are no longer participating on these forums. There used to be several posters who identified as transgender that really lent perspective to threads like this.



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