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There are several different parts to this. I'm probably not going to organize my thoughts well but I'm giving it a shot anyway. quote:
ORIGINAL: AllisonSophia2 You see it all the time. Straight people hating gY people. Gay people hearing them back. This is something that has always had an undertone because of where and when I started in kink. I've written several posts (usually found in P&R) about what some of the kink communities were like after the passage and repeal of (then) what was known as Amendment two. There definitely were het kinky people who voted for that garbage piece of legislation, which was nothing more than a hate bill to remove equal rights protections from gay people. Wasn't bad enough that I lived in the town where Focus on the Family was trying to convince people that they could "pray the gay away" and other ridiculous crap. That didn't just 'go away' when that idiot thing was repealed. I never saw it that way. quote:
Lesbians not accepting m2f lesbian transgenders This part isn't new, either. Heck, I know both lesbian women and gay men who won't date people who are bi-sexual. Not that six on the Kinsey scale? Not interested. I even know bi-sexual women that will not date bi-sexual or even hetero-flexible men. (I know it sounds funny, but it's a real thing.) The gay and lesbian communities weren't exactly all singing Kumbaya when bi-sexual people felt they were having the same struggles as the gay community. Basically, there were some folks in the G and L portion of those communities didn't see it as the same thing because so many bi-sexual folks could fly under the radar anytime they were in a relationship with a partner that was of the opposite gender because that looked 'het enough' to get a pass at least part of the time. That wasn't exactly 'happy, happy, joy, joy'. There were a lot of gay and lesbian people who didn't really want that "B" added. Even worse when that "T" got added. It honestly wasn't that long ago that there were uproars in certain communities (one of which is in your own backyard) because trans women weren't welcome at "female only" events. When a certain club in your state changed a certain event from 'female only' to 'female identifying,' there was all kinds of backlash. That first go-round was a damned mess. Two trans women attended and they were permitted entry. (Not permitting them entry would have been prejudice.) After that, it was an issue of preference by the other attendees. One of those people wrote this scathing review of the event because many of the cis women wouldn't socialize with them, which is something you can't force people attending an event to do. It got better at subsequent events but it was a rough start. The thing is, dating, socializing, friendships, etc, really aren't the EEO. Everybody is allowed to based their own decisions about interactions, really do have their own right to their personal preferences. There definitely will be people, both gay and straight, that will never see you as a woman, even if you fully transition, have bottom surgery, and all of that other stuff, because you were assigned male at birth and have lived part of your life as a male. You're never going to be able to FORCE everyone to see you as female or think that you deserve a relationship with another woman based on the fact that you are transgender and nobody else gets their own choices. That's something I think every transgendered person has to accept. quote:
And what's wrong wth a m2f choosing to be a lesbian after their surgery? Not a thing. A person's gender identity is not the same thing as their sexual orientation. quote:
It seems that of all the LGBTQ community are the outcasts, people thinking they're only they're only in it for the sex. It's correct that some people do think it's about the sex because so many people do come from the fetish background as cross-dressers (which can be very much about the sex) prior to their identity as trans*. However, I'm not big on this theory about how 'kinky people are outcasts from vanillas' or 'gay people are outcasts' so just because a person identifies as something similar to other people, so that automatically means that a person gets acceptance just because of their dispositions. quote:
Please lend your thoughts about the way transgenders are treated even by the LGBTQ community, I'm failing to grasp why you might be thinking that lesbian women are going to be any different than any other category of women about stuff like this. Not every woman is going to see your struggle as similar to their struggle. If I am going in the correct direction based on other threads and posts that you have made, you have not yet had bottom surgery. That means a heck of a lot of people are going to see you as male. Last time I checked, most gay women aren't into people with male parts, because the majority of those women want to have relationships with women. That means that you don't match their desires. That whole 'transition to' thing that you're going to be doing for a minimum of three years, doesn't match what they want now. That's not even touching just how hard it is to deal with a person who is doing the process. The extra BS and boatload of issues that a person comes with while they are transitionING is a crap load of hormones and surgeries and therapies. That stuff, for years, is not a flipping picnic. Not everybody is going to be willing to invite all of that into their life. Guess who else gets to deal with those things right along with you? That's right. The person you start a relationship with. I have never heard anyone who is in a relationship with a trans* person ever say this was all sunshine and roses. Most people just really don't want to take that crap on because it is just so much easier to be involved with the next person over that doesn't come with serious, significant baggage.
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