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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/2/2017 11:18:41 AM

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I'd thought the feminist opposition to the genderfluid went out with lesbian separatism back in the early '80s. Maybe Greta's just a bit behind the times?

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/2/2017 11:32:01 AM

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LP, I agree that there are always going to be variables. However, that is not a transgender dominant issue, it's across the board, but it's where Greta gets it so very wrong. She gets on her high horse about her POV, and that this is the way it is. The best thing about this particular issue is that she's speaking for ALL lesbians as a damn straight woman, and one that doesn't even have a decent grasp of what it means to be transgender either.

As a general rule I try to give Greta a lot of movement in her writing and ideas, but on this subject she's just way off base.

We've all got our preferences, regardless of our gender, or our sexuality, but she doesn't seem to be grasping this.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/2/2017 11:57:55 AM

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I hope this photo comes up clear enough. This is Nicole Maines who was born an identical twin boy but transitioned M->F. I am hardly familiar with Lesbian preferences but I don't see how Nicole would fail to be attractive to many gay ladies.

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Nor to a few lecherous old men.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/2/2017 12:00:48 PM

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I hope this photo comes up clear enough. This is Nicole Maines who was born an identical twin boy but transitioned M->F. I am hardly familiar with Lesbian preferences but I don't see how Nicole would fail to be attractive to many gay ladies.

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Nor to a few lecherous old men.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/2/2017 12:51:18 PM

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There were no more lesbians in my all girls school than in the school I went to prior which had both boys and girls.

My ex went to a school that had both a boys school and a girls school, girls a couple of miles up the mountain. They came together for honor classes and special assemblies. No more gay or lesbians enrolled there than in the mixed school he went to prior.

But until transgenders are more accepted by society,and thus have less issues, they aren't likely to find the going any easier.

Considering segregation officially ended 60 years ago but biracial people and couples are still subject to hate from society at large, I don't hold much hope for gay, bi and trans people.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/2/2017 1:45:15 PM

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I had a M>F trans friend I was crazy attracted to that went to the local muches and the rare events. She was fascinating and beautiful.

My K, and I had a discussion about tbis topic. She said she wouldn't give it a second thought, if she was attracted to her. Her beinv a M>F Transgender individual.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/2/2017 1:52:50 PM

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LP, I agree that there are always going to be variables. However, that is not a transgender dominant issue, it's across the board, but it's where Greta gets it so very wrong. She gets on her high horse about her POV, and that this is the way it is. The best thing about this particular issue is that she's speaking for ALL lesbians as a damn straight woman, and one that doesn't even have a decent grasp of what it means to be transgender either.

As a general rule I try to give Greta a lot of movement in her writing and ideas, but on this subject she's just way off base.

We've all got our preferences, regardless of our gender, or our sexuality, but she doesn't seem to be grasping this.

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Ever have one of those days that you feel that you just aren't doing a great job at conveying your meaning? For me, that happens to be today.

I have no idea where Greta pulled that 99% thing out of nowhere. I'm at a loss.

I know that, as a posed question, if I said anything other than some, it would have been intellectually dishonest. I've known people who will date transgender people and those who are adamantly opposed idea for their personal relationships. Being on the opposite end of the Kinsey scale myself, I can kind of get why some of those sixes say they are not interested in sexual relationships with someone that they can't see as the gender they are sexually attracted to. Particularly if we're talking about pre-op individuals.

This is kind of tough for me to try to exchange ideas with people from other countries with because I don't feel I have a good grasp on how the climate might be different in your country than mine. We still kind of suck at it. We're still passing laws like where people are allowed to go to the bathroom in some states. (If a person ever wants to feel less optimistic if issues that trans* people face, spend a few hours reading what kinky people think about North Carolina's HB2 and they aren't all het people.)

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/2/2017 2:33:06 PM

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Considering segregation officially ended 60 years ago but biracial people and couples are still subject to hate from society at large, I don't hold much hope for gay, bi and trans people.

Thank you, Des. This gave rise to some interesting (to me) questions: Is the deflection of overt racism from black individuals to biracial couples part of the long social process of acceptance, or is it simply a misdirection of the original anger which is now both legally punished and morally shamed? Do white people simply feel more comfortable expressing their racism in this modified tone? Abe Lincoln believed blacks should not be enslaved but he had to argue that they should be sent back to some African country when freed, that they should not mingle socially with whites. I don't know if he really believed that but politically it was the correct and easiest position.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/2/2017 2:54:57 PM

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I hope this photo comes up clear enough. This is Nicole Maines who was born an identical twin boy but transitioned M->F. I am hardly familiar with Lesbian preferences but I don't see how Nicole would fail to be attractive to many gay ladies.

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Nor to a few lecherous old men.

Nicole Maines is a lovely young woman. I did not intend to minimize the topic of this thread by posting the photo. I hoped that Greta would see that Transgender people can be as attractive in their identified gender after transitioning. I am currently watching a documentary called TRANS on Amazon's On-line Service that is very informative. You can probably buy it if you are not a member of Amazon Prime. The movie is inspired by the work of Dr. Christine McGinn, who is the surgeon pictured below.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/2/2017 3:54:13 PM

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LP, I agree that there are always going to be variables. However, that is not a transgender dominant issue, it's across the board, but it's where Greta gets it so very wrong. She gets on her high horse about her POV, and that this is the way it is. The best thing about this particular issue is that she's speaking for ALL lesbians as a damn straight woman, and one that doesn't even have a decent grasp of what it means to be transgender either.

As a general rule I try to give Greta a lot of movement in her writing and ideas, but on this subject she's just way off base.

We've all got our preferences, regardless of our gender, or our sexuality, but she doesn't seem to be grasping this.

Needles

Ever have one of those days that you feel that you just aren't doing a great job at conveying your meaning? For me, that happens to be today.

I have no idea where Greta pulled that 99% thing out of nowhere. I'm at a loss.

I know that, as a posed question, if I said anything other than some, it would have been intellectually dishonest. I've known people who will date transgender people and those who are adamantly opposed idea for their personal relationships. Being on the opposite end of the Kinsey scale myself, I can kind of get why some of those sixes say they are not interested in sexual relationships with someone that they can't see as the gender they are sexually attracted to. Particularly if we're talking about pre-op individuals.

This is kind of tough for me to try to exchange ideas with people from other countries with because I don't feel I have a good grasp on how the climate might be different in your country than mine. We still kind of suck at it. We're still passing laws like where people are allowed to go to the bathroom in some states. (If a person ever wants to feel less optimistic if issues that trans* people face, spend a few hours reading what kinky people think about North Carolina's HB2 and they aren't all het people.)

I do get what you're saying. It wasn't that I couldn't see the point kind of being made by Greta, it was the huge Duvet of a statement that she loves to throw over an already hot room

I personally have mixed feelings about how I'd approach a relationship with a transgender person, and it is purely from a sex POV. I have seen photos, and for all I know may have met some FtM men that I have found very attractive. So as males I see no issue with them ... well actually now I think of it, two things ... one being height, because I have a thing about tall men, so if he's tall, all groovy, but then after that it really does depend on how the transitioning works. I admit my ignorance here, and it's not for the lack of trying to research the subject. You see I can not stand toys when it comes to sex. It's boring. I'm sorry to be so crude, but I want to be fucked by a hard cock. That's what does it for me, and no amount of telling me that there are other ways to orgasm ... I mean for crying out loud, I can do that myself ... but what is the point of having a man if I can't have him as I want him? Now, if a transgender man is capable of giving me that, we're set to go.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/2/2017 4:28:09 PM

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This transgender is crying about being unable to get Lesbians to DATE HER. So I am explaining to her WHY she needs to stop thinking that Lesbians are obligated to date.

This is one of the rare times OP actually posted a relevant topic, shared her thoughts and asked for the thoughts of others. You see crying? Interesting.

That is not what I wanted to point out, though.

You referred to OP as "her" and "she".

Think about that for a moment.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/3/2017 7:09:43 PM

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I don't get to decide who fancys me as a hetro D type. That applies to all types and genital configurations. Stop being fucking tediously entitled if you think being different from the norm gives you demands on others.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/3/2017 11:39:30 PM

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Considering segregation officially ended 60 years ago but biracial people and couples are still subject to hate from society at large, I don't hold much hope for gay, bi and trans people.

Thank you, Des. This gave rise to some interesting (to me) questions: Is the deflection of overt racism from black individuals to biracial couples part of the long social process of acceptance, or is it simply a misdirection of the original anger which is now both legally punished and morally shamed? Do white people simply feel more comfortable expressing their racism in this modified tone? Abe Lincoln believed blacks should not be enslaved but he had to argue that they should be sent back to some African country when freed, that they should not mingle socially with whites. I don't know if he really believed that but politically it was the correct and easiest position.

Alabama still has a segregated school system and is fighting strongly to keep it that way. So I disagree that overt racism is lessening.

Basically, people are xenophobic and hateful. Christians against Jews. Whites against blacks. Blacks against whites. Every race against those who are mixed.

Trans just have more against them.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/4/2017 12:43:42 AM

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My reality is that Lesbians do not date transgendered M2F.

The OP is reflecting my reality.

You are in denial if you think Lesbians will date a Transgendered M2F.

In every scenario, there may be exceptions, but a Transgendered M2F trying to find a biological woman to be her Lesbian girlfriend is gonna be very very tough and long road.

THAT IS REALITY.

Greta, I know several MtF women. Some are single, some are with men, some are with women. I have a hunch that transwomen are slightly less prone to being single thsn cis women, but I could be off there. I will however dispute your implication that lesbians cannot be attracted to transwomen.

By claiming that lesbians refuse to date transwomen, you're strongly hinting that transwomen aren't really women. I dispute that, and caution you that you'll piss off transwomen.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/4/2017 3:45:25 AM

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This transgender is crying about being unable to get Lesbians to DATE HER. So I am explaining to her WHY she needs to stop thinking that Lesbians are obligated to date.

This is one of the rare times OP actually posted a relevant topic, shared her thoughts and asked for the thoughts of others. You see crying? Interesting.

That is not what I wanted to point out, though.

You referred to OP as "her" and "she".

Think about that for a moment.

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If you're an ass, you may get treated as such but more probably shunned (time saver) and if you're cool you get brownies. MMV and usually does.

I don't get your point? OP wants to be identified as a "Her" and "She".

You mean I should call her a "HIM"?

Happy to use that too!

That is my one super rare political correct moments even though I do not see HER as a Female but a Male wanting to be Female and Chose to change his physical appearance into a Female, but I am using "HER" because that's what she wants to be seen as.

I would have referred to Mrs Doubtfire As "Her" too ya know.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/4/2017 3:47:19 AM

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By claiming that lesbians refuse to date transwomen, you're strongly hinting that transwomen aren't really women. I dispute that, and caution you that you'll piss off transwomen.

Transwomen ARE NOT biological Women!

FACT!

They wanna get pissed off and angry about Facts. That's their problem.

They should take their issue up with Nature and not us who are just stating Facts of Life!

They are angry or not happy about not being born biological male or female? That's their personal issues. Nothing to do with me.

I don't understand why should I see them as Females when they aren't biological Females. Why are they entitled to want other people to see them as Females?

IF tomorrow, I want to be seen as a Polar Bear. And nobody recognizes me as a Polar Bear or addresses me as one. I am not gonna get pissed off at anybody. Because biologically, I am NOT a Polar Bear. They were right! What do I have to be pissed off about? Being Polar Bear was just MY idea! It's not other people's Idea that I want to be a Polar Bear!

Transgender being pissed off by hearing the Truth is seriously, their personal issues and problems!

And imagine being pissed off being called a Biological Male, when, that is scientifically accurate and literally a Fact.

That's actually absolutely crazy and not sane of them to do that!

If you guys think it's not insane to get mad at accurate scientific labelling like biological male and not biological female.

You're in twilight zone!

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/4/2017 4:02:39 AM

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No that is most definitely NOT what you said. "Most Lesbians are Lesbians because they do not like Males. "

We are in a Kink Site, and I am definitely talking about in a sexual way.

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As for would I date a transgendered female,
Quick question first.. Just who the fuck are you to demand I do something? Seriously, what are you 5? You want to ask me a question ask it, but
throw in bull shit like that? I don't care how many exclamation points you use, I don't play double dog dare with a petty hateful person such as you.

Yup, the answer is No. You are a self-proclaim Lesbian. You could have proclaim, you personally have no problem dating M2F.
Infact, if YOU as a Lesbian could have assured OP that you would date M2F, you would be more helpful to OP that way too!
But you could not.

And infact, if you simply stated strongly that you would definitely be more happy to have a M2F as a life partner! That would be one Lesbian proving me wrong.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/4/2017 4:07:36 AM

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We've all got our preferences, regardless of our gender, or our sexuality, but she doesn't seem to be grasping this.

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I think by saying 99% has left room for exceptions! And acknowledgement that, there are rare cases where people may not do what is Norm.

But if all of you guys are trying to say that it's common for Most Lesbians to WANT TO DATE M2F, and whatever OP is going through, the prejudice she face from Lesbians is NOT COMMON at all.

Seriously, you are all being dishonest about it and just choosing the political correct statement.

I think I am giving OP the realistic picture that, as an M2F, it will be more difficult for her to date Lesbians, than biological Females who identify as Lesbians. So she should expect it to be hard. As she needs to find the rare 1%.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/4/2017 4:14:02 AM

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Love to see Lesbians come on this Thread to vouch that they will date M2F though.

So far. Zero Lesbians have done so. Lots of Non-Lesbian people sharing stories about Lesbian friends dating M2F. Which actually, is good news for OP to hear. That's about it. But no actual Lesbians coming forward to declare they will date M2F.

Maybe a bisexual did so far, but a bisexual does not count as bisexual like both genders, male and female. So of course M2F doesn't bother them.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/4/2017 7:38:22 AM

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Well, OP,....I think u found a hater. (not that Ive seen much greta likes beyond d-rump anyway.)

its My 2-cents worth that u need to understand that there's only one thing that IS absolute,....there is NOTHING absolute.

as we in Minnesota have a rather robust LGBTQ community, I personally know 2 lesbian couples where 1 partner is mtf

.....1 pair met while she was pre-SRS, the other pair met after, and both seem to be more than a little happy with each other.

only one pair is a Domme/slave pair, and yup, its the former male who's Domme.

So I don't know what ur looking for but I've been made a believer that there's someone for everyone,

ya just have to be willing to have patience for u to find each other.

update: I just got reminded both couples met at the same bar here..... "The Gay 90's" in Minneapolis....(that shold be ur 1st clue!..LOL!) google it.... then go find a bar that cater's to that crowd>

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