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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/6/2017 12:04:50 AM   
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Why would anyone want to be in a relationship with a trans unless they were trans themself?


Can I answer this? I am a cis man. I am in a relationship with a trans woman.

I never had a desire for a trans woman. I still don't. Tasha is not a trans woman as much as she is a woman who happens to be trans. She has breasts (nice ones btw), and does not look at all like a man.

Unfortunately, I was not able to specify all the criteria I wanted in a woman and get it delivered. So I simply started a relationship with the most compatible woman I found. If I could have found a cis woman with all Tasha's positives, I would have been interested. But Tasha's positives far outweigh her negatives. Her intelligence, sense of humor, kinks, affectionate nature, etc. mesh with mine.


I saw her picture. She looks very much like a man. I think a situation like you're in works if you are gay in denial. Or bi.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/6/2017 12:31:22 AM   
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Transwomen are born dysphoric, with male bodies and female brains. The obvious solution, treating this as a mental condition and leaving the body untouched, resulted in suicides and lawsuits. So today the treatment to relieve the dysphoria involves changing the body.


Can you define precisely what is a "Female Brain"? And what is not a "Male Brain"?

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There is an odd idea running around that a trans person decides on an idle whim to transition. That is false. Transitioning is a messy process, involving losing friends and family, having health risks due to mucking with hormones, and significant expense (just the sexual reassignment surgery alone for MtFs runs about $25k in the US).

In life, alot of people do DO alot of drastic painful expensive body altering things, beyond sex change, there are plenty of women who go through multiple plastic surgery to achieve a certain perfection of Female Looks. If they desire of certain "Physical Appearance".
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If a child is born crippled, and has surgery to repair that and subsequently walks with no limp, would you still call that child a cripple?

Not comparable. He is no longer a Crippled because he is no longer Crippled. The better comparison would be, if he had no legs, (because a M2F would have started without boobs and vagina), then he was given prosthetic legs (Boobs and Vagina), is he still a crippled? Yes he is still a Crippled. Also I have met crippled people. I ever have sex with one dude who had muscular dystrophy. He could not walk from birth. Has legs that didn't work and develop like the rest of his body did. And they aren't even sensitive about the word "crippled". So why is a M2F, so sensitive about the word "Male"?

But a man who change his physical appearance into a woman is still not physically internally a woman. No womb. No Period. For example. No Menopause. He is simply a man chose to look like a woman. Given a plastic surgical Vagina. Like prosthetic legs. Same with a woman changing into a man. She can STILL give birth, after being a He!

They can change the external groin area appearances, but they cannot change the internal makings.

Last thing is, to be "Biological" is what nature gave to you. To me, this "Brain of a woman" thingy, is just more like, if I said, I know I look human but I was given a "brain of polar bear". What the hell does that mean?

Also, I think I now understand why you are so strongly defending to see a M2F as a woman.

Because you identify as Straight, and you are dating one M2F.

For you to feel comfortable with the whole unique orientation, you need to believe she is a Female. But as long as you feel she is Female, that's between you and her! You are happy together. All good on that end!

But other people do not need to see her as Female.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/6/2017 12:38:08 AM   
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Point being Greta, that you really need to rethink you 99% assumption, because that number is actually more like 53%

We know when you add in Biological Gay Men and Bisexuals, it inflated to 47% for it! So it doesn't tell me anything about what are the real figures for Biological Lesbians. 99% is probably very accurate for my Region of Lesbians. But perhaps because Western got all these, "You are prejudice against trans if you refuse to date them" type of pressure being placed on the LGBT community. Then I can inflate that to maybe only 10% biological lesbian would consider a Trans as a life partner.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/6/2017 12:59:19 AM   
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There isn't a whole lot of research out there on this subject, Greta, but there is some. Just glancing through this article published in December suggests that you are WAY off in your assumptions, as 47% of LGB people surveyed said they would consider dating a trans person. https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2016/12/ethics-transgender-dating/.

(I believe the sample was 1000 LBGTQ respondents on Match.com)

I just wanted to say thank you for the link to the article. I read that one and I skimmed a couple of others. I wish there had been more numbered data and I would have wanted to know how the poll questions were phrased. (The latter is one of my issues with most polls because how the questions are worded can vary the results.) Did I miss the actual breakdowns by overlooking them?



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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/6/2017 2:11:59 AM   
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Can you define precisely what is a "Female Brain"? And what is not a "Male Brain"?

Personally, I can't define this because I don't know enough about the brain and it's functions. The brain not matching the body, however, I find to be a term that is the simplest explanation to help people attempt to understand gender dysphoria because we tend to make the connection that our gender identifications in our earliest memories aren't necessarily connected to our physical self.

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In life, alot of people do DO alot of drastic painful expensive body altering things, beyond sex change, there are plenty of women who go through multiple plastic surgery to achieve a certain perfection of Female Looks. If they desire of certain "Physical Appearance".

I don't think this is a comparable argument. Unless we start talking about actual birth defects, most plastic surgeries just aren't of the same depth or repeated necessary procedures.

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Not comparable. He is no longer a Crippled because he is no longer Crippled. The better comparison would be, if he had no legs, then he was given prosthetic legs, is he still a crippled? Yes he is still a Crippled.

Prosthetic legs are still something that a person takes on and off, so I don't think that's a good comparison, either. I'm not trying to minimize here but wouldn't a better comparison would be if a person was bald and got hair plugs, would they still be bald? (I'm sure other people will come up with a better example.

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But a man who change his physical appearance into a woman is still not physically internally a woman. No womb. No Period. For example. No Menopause. He is simply a man chose to look like a woman. Given a plastic surgical Vagina. Like prosthetic legs. Same with a woman changing into a man. She can STILL give birth, after being a He!

You're making a mistake here, too. There aren't "plastic" parts involved in SRS. The tissue from the former gender is used to construct the genitalia of the gender that the person is transitioning to. In addition, depending on what hormone therapy a person is on, most F2M folks can't give birth or have menstruation cycles because the hormone medications will prevent or greatly reduce the amount of estrogen that they produce.

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They can change the external groin area appearances, but they cannot change the internal makings.

If you are going with biological reproduction ability as a definition, why are you not applying the same standard to women who have full hysterectomies?

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Last thing is, to be "Biological" is what nature gave to you. To me, this "Brain of a woman" thingy, is just more like, if I said, I know I look human but I was given a "brain of polar bear". What the hell does that mean?

People who throw out the 'trans-species' thing are usually trying to pull a ridiculous comparison. When they come up with some actual science related to it, like they have when it comes to research as they have done in transgendered individuals, I'll reconsider it based on some medical diagnosis.

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Also, I think I now understand why you are so strongly defending to see a M2F as a woman.

Because you identify as Straight, and you are dating one M2F.

For you to feel comfortable with the whole unique orientation, you need to believe she is a Female. But as long as you feel she is Female, that's between you and her! You are happy together. All good on that end!

While I agree with you that as long as Steven and Tasha are happy, that's all that matters, I think you are also discounting cis-het people who also see Tasha as female, interact with her as female, or other angles. Wouldn't a person who knows Tasha and sees how others interact with her to be in the better position to make that determination than you or I?

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But other people do not need to see her as Female.

You honestly don't know that.



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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/6/2017 4:14:42 AM   
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i typically don't wander much off the political and religious section, but this one caught my eye, specifically the bringing into the discussion of a female and male brain.

its very insightful in this regard---male and female brains are both anatomically and physiologically different. its one of the things that makes the genders distinct from each other.

im skeptical to the point of close to disbelief that we could do studies and autopsies on brains from "trans" people and have them match up more with the gender with which they supposedly identify as opposed to matching up with the genitalia between their legs.

in short then, im going to suggest this---a trans woman is not a woman with a man's brain and a trans man is not a man with a woman's brain. more than anything else, I see it as a psychological function, predominantly NOT related to the A & P of the brain.

if im wrong, then what ive written in my third section above is something researchers should seriously be doing. maybe they already are and I just don't know it. but what im talking about---the need for that type of research---seems essential.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/6/2017 10:35:04 AM   
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Do you mean research like this? https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/


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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/6/2017 10:31:37 PM   
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Do you mean research like this? https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/



You can find a 'study' that says whatever you want it to say. Google is your friend.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/7/2017 1:04:52 AM   
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Correct. That's why I don't believe polls.

Phrasing matters.


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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/10/2017 10:13:17 PM   
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There is SO much shit in this thread.

I am a woman. My fiancée is a pre-op transwoman.

Lesbians are women who are into women. A transgender woman is, surprise surprise, a woman.

The transphobic comments some folks are making are sickening.

Now excuse me, I am off to accept the fact I can't possibly exist seeing as you know, us ladies into ladies can't possibly be into non cis women.



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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/11/2017 4:19:16 PM   
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arggggggs someone email me argggggh I am op and be single 2 hours

Is much festering shit indeed

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/11/2017 8:07:36 PM   
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Now excuse me, I am off to accept the fact I can't possibly exist seeing as you know, us ladies into ladies can't possibly be into non cis women.

You exist, you are just within the 1%.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/12/2017 5:46:54 AM   
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Can you define precisely what is a "Female Brain"? And what is not a "Male Brain"?


Under Sexual Dimorphism - there are physical differences between male and female, most noticeably things such as body hair, breast size, and general shape. However it isn't just outward appearances which are influenced by your gender, everything about you including your skeletal structure, internal organs, as even the size and placement of your internal organs or the plasticity of your skin is altered ever so slightly by your gender.

likewise - the female brain is physically different then a males. having different densities of grey and white matter in different locations, specific components of the brain being more or less active, and even stronger connections between certain parts of the brain. These are physical differences which can be measured and are often used to explain why men and women behave differently to similar stimuli.

Recent medical research has actually shown that some individuals that identified as 'Transgender' actually had a brain that displayed physical characteristics of the gender that they psychologically identified as. Meaning that they where biological men with female brains, and biological women with male brains. This isn't just some psychological difference, but an actual physiological difference.


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ORIGINAL: AnguissetteD
Now excuse me, I am off to accept the fact I can't possibly exist seeing as you know, us ladies into ladies can't possibly be into non cis women.

You exist, you are just within the 1%.


Actually it is closer to something like 30%.

And this prejudice is actually theoretically from ignorance and fear because the females simply view the transgendered individual as a man that is trying to be a woman rather then a woman that was born as a man.

But transgenderism itself is a difficult subject for me to talk about because i find the entire thing some one... contradictory.

If you're a M2F... then you're not a transgender - you are a female... And people that continually identify themselves as 'Trans' make me wonder if they actually are.

This is because the way that I view it - If the person gets approved for SRS (sex reassignment surgery) then they would of had to pass the myriad of psychological tests in order to be approved. Once approved, i believe they should be seen as an individual with a birth defect, and would be no different then any one else that suffered a defect which required the removal of their genitals.

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Lesbians won't mess around you because they aren't into transgenders.


Would a lesbian date a woman with ovarian cancer that required her uterus and ovaries removed?
Or any injury or disease which forces a life saving procedure which requires the removal of the uterus and ovaries for that matter...

would the Lesbians 'mess around' with them?
If so - what is the difference then?

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/12/2017 9:31:37 PM   
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Would a lesbian date a woman with ovarian cancer that required her uterus and ovaries removed?
Or any injury or disease which forces a life saving procedure which requires the removal of the uterus and ovaries for that matter...

would the Lesbians 'mess around' with them?
If so - what is the difference then?

Was this biological female born with a womb, vagina and breasts? IF she got cancer in all areas, and gotta have all of them removed, but she was born with at least some of those things, she is female.

Removing a body part to save your life in genuine life or death conditions doesn't change the gender you were born with. Same concept for transgender. Removing their body parts, in a trans male for example, she may chop off her breasts, or a trans female, may chop off his dick. Doesn't change the gender.


PS: I'd love to do a brain scan to see if my brain is male or female, if there is this way to verify, then no psychology test needed for transgenders surgeries. Just scan their brains. Why isn't it done precisely like this yet? IF you can identify male or female, purely by brain size?

And also, I think this technology should be in airports weeding out terrorists male dressing in hijab escaping as women.


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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/13/2017 7:03:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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Would a lesbian date a woman with ovarian cancer that required her uterus and ovaries removed?
Or any injury or disease which forces a life saving procedure which requires the removal of the uterus and ovaries for that matter...

would the Lesbians 'mess around' with them?
If so - what is the difference then?

Was this biological female born with a womb, vagina and breasts? IF she got cancer in all areas, and gotta have all of them removed, but she was born with at least some of those things, she is female.

Removing a body part to save your life in genuine life or death conditions doesn't change the gender you were born with. Same concept for transgender. Removing their body parts, in a trans male for example, she may chop off her breasts, or a trans female, may chop off his dick. Doesn't change the gender.


PS: I'd love to do a brain scan to see if my brain is male or female, if there is this way to verify, then no psychology test needed for transgenders surgeries. Just scan their brains. Why isn't it done precisely like this yet? IF you can identify male or female, purely by brain size?

And also, I think this technology should be in airports weeding out terrorists male dressing in hijab escaping as women.



and what if she got the cancer or surgery before the age of 11?
Biologically - we are sexually identical before puberty aside from a handful of nuanced dimorphic characteristics of the brain - which i already explained could be different then your born gender. Your sexual organs are inactive, and the physical characteristics which make you definitively male or female are only developed during puberty. What's more, these characteristics are largely defined by the base hormone which is predominantly in your body during this time. Feed a male large amounts of estrogen and progesterone through out puberty and he will develop functioning breast, wide hips, and many other definitive characteristics physically and even psychologically of a biological female.

Also... as immoral as it is... scientifically we can force some one to have a specific gender... From birth to puberty, we can supplement the individual with specific hormones, surgeries, and psychological conditioning which will make them emotionally, psychologically, and biologically female in almost all regards except in being capable of producing offspring. It is inhumane borderline torture, but we've done it in enough lab animals to understand the the science behind the development of gender and sex to the point that we could replicate it in humans. God help you if you want to cross that line...


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PS: I'd love to do a brain scan to see if my brain is male or female, if there is this way to verify, then no psychology test needed for transgenders surgeries. Just scan their brains. Why isn't it done precisely like this yet? IF you can identify male or female, purely by brain size?


because conclusively it requires you to cut the skull open and remove the brain for precision measurements...

You could do a battery of CT scans, MRIs, and other tests as these precursors where first identified in those scans - but because it is more difficult to measure the small nuanced differences through these scans, they are not nearly as precise as taking physical measurements. Suffice it to say - i don't think people are willing to have their brain removed while they are alive just to prove they are male or female.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 5/17/2017 10:57:46 PM   
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I'm transgender and I date women. If you are into women, then I say go for what you want/like! There will be people who are attracted to you, and there will be people who will not be. What is important is to be yourself, live your life and take the good with the bad.

Being upset about, and complaining about why people don't like you is not going to solve your problems. If you are trying to attract a potential partner in any sense, the way to do so is to make yourself into an even more "attractive person" than you are today, however that may be. Don't shame others for their choices!! Respect them, be proactive, and take your life into your own hands.



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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 6/15/2017 11:10:07 PM   
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To me, people are people, regardless of anything else.

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 6/16/2017 6:19:05 AM   
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To me, people are people, regardless of anything else.

Depeche Mode fan, eh?

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 6/17/2017 10:59:12 AM   
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Howard Jones and you if you had to pick one from that epoch?

Depeche Mode - People Are People (Remastered Video) you have to throw in the lnks too for almost all on here ;)

Similar message in both songs?

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RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. - 9/8/2017 10:16:16 PM   
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I used to be very active in the local swingers community for about 15 years. However, when I started making more friends which included people of the LGBTQ community I noticed a lot of them started to distance themselves from me. Yeah there is lots of prejudice people in the world but I choose to only attend events and establishments that are open to everyone regardless of sexual orientation.

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