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ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. (10/2/2017 1:53:15 PM)

LOL




bounty44 -> RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. (10/3/2017 6:54:40 AM)

a website devoted to the "fucking idiots"

http://www.sexchangeregret.com/




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. (10/3/2017 9:39:02 AM)

Fuck you are one sad puppy




Hillwilliam -> RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. (10/3/2017 10:29:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: bounty44

a website devoted to the "fucking idiots"

http://www.sexchangeregret.com/

Careful, dude. You're setting yourself up for www.townhall.com jokes galore.[8D]




WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. (10/3/2017 2:01:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75


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ORIGINAL: Spiritedsub2

She left identifying info in her profile, and there was an obit posted.

Don't see any identifying info in her profile. Just that her last journal was that she paid for her own burial in advance.

Anyway, if she did go, she is in peace. Hope she chose the most painless way to die.

She had her phone number listed on her profile. Some of us called it. The voice message gave her real name and some were able to find the obituary based off number, name, location and date of death.




NoirMetal -> RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. (10/3/2017 2:44:43 PM)

So she resorted to violence to get her point across-and involved us in it.
An individual made the same threat to me once,and was found dead in his bath tub days later.

I told him,"Earl,if you do, that is your choice-no one else MADE you choose that."





Greta75 -> RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. (10/3/2017 10:09:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

a website devoted to the "fucking idiots"

http://www.sexchangeregret.com/


Hmm, this site says only 20% regretted. Technically, it's a minority.

But I do feel like, there should be less assumption that a person needs to sex change just because for example, if a male enjoys female stuffs and enjoys dressing like a woman.

When there is more acceptance for such fetishes, fewer people would bother sex changing.

One article here states:


“90 percent of these diverse patients had at least one other significant form of psychopathology” reported Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, Ohio, Department of Psychiatry in a 2009 study of transgender outcomes at their clinic. In other words, 90 percent of the patients were suffering from a mental illness that gender surgery did not alleviate.

61 percent of the patients treated for cross-gender identification (359 people) had other psychiatric disorders and illnesses, notably personality, mood, dissociative, and psychotic disorders according to a 2003 Dutch survey of board-certified Dutch psychiatrists.

A 2013 University of Louisville, KY study of 351 transgender individuals found that the rates of depression and anxiety symptoms within the study “far surpass the rates of those for the general population.” About half had depressive symptoms and more than 40 percent had symptoms of anxiety.


I feel that depression in people manifest in different ways. Some become "sex addicts", some become Klepto. Some resort to drugs and alcohol. Some become binge eaters. Some become transgenders. It all starts with something that is making them unhappy and they feel they need something external to cope.

But I always feel like the cure for "depression" is acceptance. If men and woman who are not the typical embodiment of a male or a female, should just be seen as their individualism. And not like something is wrong with them.

I feel like that people change gender because they are sick of hearing people telling them males shouldn't be into these stuffs. But people need to also tell them the truth that even with sex change. Things will not be easier. It's not a magical surgery that will solve their problems.




LadyPact -> RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. (10/3/2017 10:09:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bounty44
a website devoted to the "fucking idiots"

http://www.sexchangeregret.com/

Out of curiosity, did you read any of the site? Poke around any of the tabs or anything like that?

In my opinion, it's not entirely bad. I'm not big on any reference site that comes across as a promotional tool for an individual to sell books. I'm going to take that preconceived opinion off of the table for this. (I'm not big on anybody pushing their opinion as "research" when it's abundantly clear they are looking to sell their own publications.)

Other problems I had with it: Everything in the "Examples" tab was old, unsubstantiated, or had some problem at verifying. The one case that I could find independently, was a very specific example of Alan Lynch, who admits to having 'learned to give the right answers' to professionals in order to transition. Kind of blew it for me because if we're going to discuss potential regret, wouldn't we be better off talking about folks who didn't lie to the professionals that they were working with?

Horrid statistics. The owner of the site can't seem to pinpoint anything and has some of the worst percentage gaps I have ever seen. Direct from the "Research I've Learned" tab:

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International research suggests that 3-18% of them (transsexuals) come to regret switching gender.

I didn't miss a character (number) there. That's a 15% gap. What kind of "research" can't get better results than a 15% variable? In addition, this is also based on an article that is thirteen years old. The article from which the page was based on specifically says, "Dr Hyde said: "The bottom line is that although it's clear that some people do well with gender reassignment surgery, the available research does little to reassure about how many patients do badly and, if so, how badly." That's not science. That's people throwing darts at a board and figuring which number they *think* it might be. In fact, two of the articles linked as references list the estimate as 5%.

The site makes no distinction in two important areas. One being that no distinction is being made between cases of individuals who use the recommended course of care for transition. The other is that other factors, (i.e., societal, familial, etc) are included for reason for regret, rather than focusing on the individual acceptance or refusal of the new gender identity. I understand that it's hard to do that because it's difficult to separate the issues, but I find the lack of such distinctions makes the data inconclusive.

I'm even going to go so far as to say this one. I'm a person of faith. At the same time, the underlying message of 'it' just a matter of turning to God' is NOT how we treat physical or mental health issues. It's just not a comprehensive course of action.

Those were just the big points. I don't even have the energy to go into the smaller ones.

As I said in the beginning, I am not saying that everything included in the site was wrong. I actually do agree that those with gender dysphoria benefit from proper care, rather than run out and get SRS without a treatment plan. While I empathize that the former, (a proper treatment plan) can be a hardship because it takes longer, it also has substantial benefits.

I also agree that we shouldn't look at gender dysphoria as a 'stand alone' condition. Whether we look at the entire thing as cause and effect or there are other issues that individuals are dealing with, we shouldn't look at SRS as a cure all or waving the magic wand so all associated conditions go away. It's way more complex than that. A person who is clinically depressed (chemical imbalance) isn't going to be "fixed" because the person takes the measures for their care regarding gender dysphoria. That's not even beginning to address cumulative experiences related to the difficulties of being trans* or how that person is going to face issues of lack of acceptance post SRS. It's not the golden ticket of 'all your problems will disappear'.

It was buried in there, but I find it to be correct that SRS is not the answer for everyone. Some people feel best with their own identity, treatment, and management decisions *not* to have SRS. It's really not the best decision for everyone and a person should evaluate the best way to deal with the condition.





ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. (10/5/2017 9:15:17 AM)

Yeah, but you're not trying to prove some warped point, so of course you paid attention to the details rather than just the headline.




bounty44 -> RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. (10/6/2017 7:04:04 AM)

actually, I didn't beyond a cursory view. it wasn't my intention to provide a sort of definitive answer to the problem, but just rather show that people aren't "fucking idiots" simply because they come at the problem from a different perspective, most notably, the transsexuals themselves.

the "3-18%" number you quote is a range number of multiple research studies. such ranges are not atypical depending on a number of factors---how "regret" is determined, sample size, honesty of respondents, etc.




ThatDizzyChick -> RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. (10/6/2017 11:46:28 AM)

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actually, I didn't beyond a cursory view.

Yeah we know. You almost never do.
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it wasn't my intention to provide a sort of definitive answer to the problem, but just rather show that people aren't "fucking idiots" simply because they come at the problem from a different perspective, most notably, the transsexuals themselves.

And you failed to do that at all, and in fact all you did manage to do is to make yourself look like even more of a fucking idiot than you had done before. But then again, you usually do that as well.




LadyPact -> RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. (10/6/2017 1:17:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bounty44
actually, I didn't beyond a cursory view. it wasn't my intention to provide a sort of definitive answer to the problem, but just rather show that people aren't "fucking idiots" simply because they come at the problem from a different perspective, most notably, the transsexuals themselves.

the "3-18%" number you quote is a range number of multiple research studies. such ranges are not atypical depending on a number of factors---how "regret" is determined, sample size, honesty of respondents, etc.

I'd have to go back and read again to see if there are actual reference links to studies that had that much gap. I mentioned in my earlier post that I wasn't thrilled with some of what the page owner had used for sources. When the "source" just puts out "up to a fifth regret the decision," but list no data or references themselves, or research data that's being used to support the figure, it lacks being substantial. Not to mention my personal dislike of ambiguous terms such as 'up to' when were supposed to be talking about researched data.






bounty44 -> RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. (10/6/2017 2:41:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

I'd have to go back and read again to see if there are actual reference links to studies that had that much gap. I mentioned in my earlier post that I wasn't thrilled with some of what the page owner had used for sources. When the "source" just puts out "up to a fifth regret the decision," but list no data or references themselves, or research data that's being used to support the figure, it lacks being substantial...



there wasn't, I looked for that. I agree, the website lacks some academic stringency.




bounty44 -> RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. (10/6/2017 3:54:25 PM)

get off the forums and get the help you need.




thorneyone -> RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. (10/8/2017 12:59:29 PM)

I think it all boils down to one simple fact.
The more platform you give the multitudes to voice their opinion.
Also platforms have changed dramatically from the biased opinions of established News to open Forums like You Tube.
It is a very human thing to bolster your ego by scoring points off others. It's also very human to regret what you've said.




masterhd01 -> RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. (10/12/2017 11:18:01 AM)


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ORIGINAL: AllisonSophia2

You see it all the time. Straight people hating gY people. Gay people hearing them back. Lesbians not accepting m2f lesbian transgenders.transgenders stuck in the middle of it all. And what's wrong wth a m2f choosing to be a lesbian after their surgery?

It seems that of all the LGBTQ community are the outcasts, people thinking they're only they're only in it for the sex.

Please lend your thoughts about the way transgenders are treated even by the LGBTQ community,


It is a human nature and upbringing in some cases. Things should get better over time but not soon. I personally don't care about others lifestyles as long as their lifestyle doesn't effect me in negative way. Live and let live sounds like best policy in most cases.




subslavecbt -> RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. (10/17/2017 5:01:50 PM)

Easy. Your sex life is private. Don't expect others to publicly approve.

I have some crazy kinky stuff. I want to get fucked by a dude while a girl watches and eat cum. How ever I am a school teacher and have a wife and kids. So my sex life is private. If you want your sex life public and accepted you deserve what you get. If you don't like the response from the public then leave... or keep you mouth shut. But 1 person and their kink does NOT give them permission to change everyone else.




Bhruic -> RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. (10/19/2017 2:12:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

a website devoted to the "fucking idiots"

http://www.sexchangeregret.com/


Hmm, this site says only 20% regretted. Technically, it's a minority.



Yes... technically. What if 20% of people who bought cars died in car accidents? Or if 20% of people who ate at a Restaurant got food poisoning? 0.1% is, perhaps, an insignificant minority. 20% is a huge minority.




bounty44 -> RE: Prejudice in the lifestyle. (10/19/2017 2:40:07 PM)

"mnottertail [Awaiting Approval]"

still lovin' it!






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