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RE: BEZOS BOTS TO RUN WHOLE FOODS - 6/27/2017 12:00:10 PM   
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Go ask your mommy for help

We're not like you -- we don't live with our mothers still.

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RE: BEZOS BOTS TO RUN WHOLE FOODS - 6/27/2017 5:29:44 PM   
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So while investigating or considering how to respond to all the "it's just math," "it's just econ 101" ignorance . . .

The first legitimate econ classes start at the 200/201 level. The required math once getting to or beyond the 300/301 level involve better algebra or 'basic calculus' and statistics and probability."Basic math" for the smart kids, not so "basic" for others (like me, e.g.)

Both the econ 200/201-300/301 level classes (even at the University of Chicago) explain that those of lower income put a much higher % of paycheck into the economy than the few who get a $26 million bonus as reward for destroying the economy and destroying the long-accumulated wealth of millions of US hardworking citizens.

Pay attention-

The lowest quintile spend all they've got, no matter what, there's no way around it. The next quintile spend all they've got if they have one kid, no way around it.

In either case, paycheck could be increased 50% and it's still all gone.

In terms of increase in aggregate spending by way of increased income of those bound by circumstance to spend greatest amount (by percentage) of 'disposable income,' how could we go wrong by increasing availability of funds to that purpose, considering that there are many more useful and productive workers than there are financial shysters and other siphons of wealth, whom the latter just put to purpose of another off-shore vacation property and invest the remainder to purpose of further economic and societal destruction?

But all we've got are the Huns Ichan and Ackerman calling the soldiers to log-ram the gates of corporations who've done all the research and dirty work beforehand, as the invaders yell "You've got too much cash! We want it!"

Yeah, that's just not going to work, here, if anybody's serious about it.

So then, we just sailed along when deregulation led to destruction of millions of jobs and trillions of wealth, Billions of reward to the winners of bailouts. But paying $15/hr. to people actually making themselves useful to so society will be the destruction of us all.

Got it.



Edwird...I get what you're saying but think....does it matter what you believe (or I)?

What matters is...when the cost of production increases beyond the "natural point"...what do producers do?

Aim as best as they can to lower costs.

If your electricity costs doubled...would you say (as a private...non corporate citizen)..."fuck it...I deserve electricity....65 degree's be damned I want...no...I DESERVE...I am DUE 75 degrees!!!" or...would you close your windows and doors....wear a sweater....chop some of the tree's on your lot....close your fridge faster, and put plastic on your windows?

Of course you would.

(All the above).

As manufacturers and suppliers are now doing.

Again...it's math.

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RE: BEZOS BOTS TO RUN WHOLE FOODS - 6/27/2017 5:35:11 PM   
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And you're worried Whole Foods will make Bezos more leftist?

Something about the politics of granola?


(Oddly....Bezos is a {publicly} registered Democrat....and votes {with his money} for Democratic ideals).

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RE: BEZOS BOTS TO RUN WHOLE FOODS - 6/27/2017 5:36:32 PM   
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Exactly the point I'm making about your posts.

And it went over your head.




(Boscoe has a head?)

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RE: BEZOS BOTS TO RUN WHOLE FOODS - 6/27/2017 5:39:28 PM   
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You know, after all the screaming the right did about how Trump was so successful and that we needed successful people to run the country . . .

Since Bezos is MORE successful than Trump (and without having to resort to cons like "Trump University" and stiffed contractors), maybe Bezos should be president!

After all, even Forbes -- clearly NOT a "leftist" publication -- calls Bezos the greatest living CEO.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2013/01/08/why-jeff-bezos-is-our-greatest-living-ceo/#6fe4fda061f2


Up until 2 years ago...I'd have disagreed with that statement (entirely) but frankly....seeing his results....it's pretty damned tough to argue that point.

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RE: BEZOS BOTS TO RUN WHOLE FOODS - 6/27/2017 5:59:15 PM   
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You know, after all the screaming the right did about how Trump was so successful and that we needed successful people to run the country . . .

Since Bezos is MORE successful than Trump (and without having to resort to cons like "Trump University" and stiffed contractors), maybe Bezos should be president!

After all, even Forbes -- clearly NOT a "leftist" publication -- calls Bezos the greatest living CEO.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2013/01/08/why-jeff-bezos-is-our-greatest-living-ceo/#6fe4fda061f2



yeh and who is going to even think about passing legislation preventing these ludicrously gargantuan conglomerates from forming that can control large percentages of the market through commerce? Nothing like shooting our toes off since we have so many holes in both feet.


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RE: BEZOS BOTS TO RUN WHOLE FOODS - 6/27/2017 6:12:09 PM   
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You think Bezos is responsible for all that?

Or just one of many many examples?

Personally -- I'm not against people being successful per se.

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RE: BEZOS BOTS TO RUN WHOLE FOODS - 6/27/2017 7:14:43 PM   
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Edwird...I get what you're saying but think....does it matter what you believe (or I)?


Not usually, no. In any of these discussions, do facts matter? Not usually, no. In any case, it's not "belief," from this standpoint. Calculable aggregate spending is measured, and directly tied to increase in income of a particular sector, not "believed." Sorry to disappoint.

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What matters is...when the cost of production increases beyond the "natural point"...what do producers do?


So tell us, then; what do you consider to be this magical "natural point," advise us of the calculation and its derivation thereby.

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Aim as best as they can to lower costs.


Except when it comes to executive management bonuses, sure.

Next.

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If your electricity costs doubled...would you say (as a private...non corporate citizen)..."fuck it...I deserve electricity....65 degree's be damned I want...no...I DESERVE...I am DUE 75 degrees!!!"


That sounds eerily like "I want, no, I deserve! to pay my workers slave wages!"

Next.

I mean; it's not the same situation at all, except that it's twisted that way in your head. Carry on.

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or...would you close your windows and doors....wear a sweater....chop some of the tree's on your lot....close your fridge faster, and put plastic on your windows?


However slim the difference might be between renting a slum apartment and running a successful business . . .

News you can use;

The value of any job is reliably measured by productivity as obtained thereby. Productivity was historically tied to real wages ever since the end of WW II. That is, until the 1980s onward, whereafter productivity held course in terms of reliable increase, while real wages flattened. The increasing discrepancy between the two is tied directly to management excess in own compensation, and it's measurable, not "belief."

It is also measurable that increase in income is more directly tied to increase in aggregate spending regarding the lower quintiles than else where, which helps the overall economy, even to benefit of rich folks.

Take a geology class and get a clue. Nature favors the imaginative over the dull-witted, though it might take some years to suss it all out.

Nature doesn't care how stupid people are, that's a fact.

If we can't figure out how to take care of our own, WTF is 'nature' supposed to do about it? It's not going to bother, I can assure you.

Back to daily affairs; if every producer or supplier is dealing with the same increase in costs, from whatever the source, it won't matter as long as demand for what they are supplying still exists. If the demand curve says that a bunch of people go away at the instance of a price increase, then so be it. That's what you are saying, even if you don't understand what you are saying.

Increase in national aggregate spending is the wave of the future. That's econ 301 and econ 461.

Latch onto it or be left behind.



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RE: BEZOS BOTS TO RUN WHOLE FOODS - 6/27/2017 7:48:33 PM   
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So... How did the Obamas become so extremely wealthy, as community agitators

Obamas under fire from the left for never ending, sizzling ultra-luxury vacations


The Democratic base is growing increasingly frustrated with former President Barack Obama’s actions after leaving office, including a seemingly endless tour of millionaire and billionaire luxury retreats, according to Democrats and activists contacted by Fox News.

Ex-presidents, understandably and un-controversially, go on vacations immediately after leaving office. But the level of luxury the Obamas enjoy on their vacations is unprecedented for a modern-day president, say travel experts.

Since leaving office in late January, Obama has visited late actor Marlon Brando’s private island; the Four Seasons in Bali -- where rooms cost upward of $2,000 per night; a Palm Springs estate; Sir Richard Branson’s Necker Island; the exclusive Mid Pacific Country Club in Oahu; the 13th-century Borgo Finocchieto in Tuscany; and the Rising Sun, Hollywood studio mogul David Geffen’s private yacht.

"These are some of the most luxurious travel destinations in the world. Many of our clients spend tens of thousands of dollars or more to stay at these resorts, which cater to the most discriminating and demanding guests,” said Kendra Thornton, travel expert and owner of luxury travel agency Royal Travel. “For example, Necker Island has a nightly price tag of $80,000. Anyone who stays at these properties does so because they want the best of the best."

Fox News contacted the Borgo Finocchieto hotel. It’s actually not really a hotel, at least of the kind ordinary travelers come to expect. It’s a restored medieval hamlet with five villas and 22 bedrooms that can only be rented for a three-day minimum, in its entirety. Obama touched down at a nearby airport in a private jet escorted by six Eurofighter jets from the Italian Air Force. Presumably, the former president scored a deal on the stay since the Borgo Finocchieto is owned by one of his appointees, the former Italy Ambassador John Phillips.

"These trips are like the lifestyles of the rich and famous."

- Pat Caddell, Democratic strategist

...

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RE: BEZOS BOTS TO RUN WHOLE FOODS - 6/27/2017 8:22:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

You think Bezos is responsible for all that?

Or just one of many many examples?

Personally -- I'm not against people being successful per se.



Spatial reasoning tank a little low tonite? Success has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Failure of da mob gubmint to keep the scales balanced has everything to do with it. The big corps have unthinkable leverage, startup have nothing but hurdles the big corps and their gubmint mob cronies erect.


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RE: BEZOS BOTS TO RUN WHOLE FOODS - 6/27/2017 8:27:41 PM   
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Again, you find excuse to chastise a Democrat if he displays any resemblance to Republicans and their inherent excess.

Who knew you hated the Republican platform so much?

-wait for it-

You are a "far, far leftist!", and a "radical leftist!"

Thanks for the entertainment, Joe Dirt-with-even-worse-hair.


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RE: BEZOS BOTS TO RUN WHOLE FOODS - 6/28/2017 5:51:57 AM   
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The Obamas are worth around $12 million. That's not "extremely wealthy" in a world with 1,810 billionaires with a total net worth of almost $6.5 trillion. (~Forbes)

There are almost 15 million multi-millionaires in the world. U.S. and Canada has more than 5 million millionaires. (~Quora)

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RE: BEZOS BOTS TO RUN WHOLE FOODS - 6/28/2017 6:17:56 AM   
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$80,000.00 a night. Obama's private jet was escorted by six fighter jets....

"Global warming is real, and at some point people have made enough money."

Or so the leftist lunatics preach

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RE: BEZOS BOTS TO RUN WHOLE FOODS - 6/28/2017 6:42:06 AM   
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I don't know where you make up your information. Must be some factory.

I don't mind successful people -- Obama or Bezos or Buffett etc. Why do you think that's not "leftist"? Didn't the DNC just make clear they were all about the oligarchy?

Or why isn't it progressive? Progressives can have and spread good ideas? It's not OK to do well in the process?

I think you're just envious. You've no idea how to succeed yourself, so you criticize people who do know.

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RE: BEZOS BOTS TO RUN WHOLE FOODS - 6/29/2017 2:04:04 PM   
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The Obamas are worth around $12 million. That's not "extremely wealthy" in a world with 1,810 billionaires with a total net worth of almost $6.5 trillion. (~Forbes)

There are almost 15 million multi-millionaires in the world. U.S. and Canada has more than 5 million millionaires. (~Quora)


Ohhhhhhh...I suspect the Obama's are worth a smidge more than that.

Shit...I think his book deal alone was worth easily 4 times that.....it was a crazy deal.

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RE: BEZOS BOTS TO RUN WHOLE FOODS - 6/29/2017 2:06:37 PM   
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$80,000.00 a night. Obama's private jet was escorted by six fighter jets....

"Global warming is real, and at some point people have made enough money."

Or so the leftist lunatics preach


Ya know...you are so hated...truly...you are probably the one poster here that is reviled the most...yet...with singularly, more capacity than many.

I (truly) don't know where you come from dude.

Seriously.

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RE: BEZOS BOTS TO RUN WHOLE FOODS - 6/29/2017 2:07:52 PM   
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I don't know where you make up your information. Must be some factory.

I don't mind successful people -- Obama or Bezos or Buffett etc. Why do you think that's not "leftist"? Didn't the DNC just make clear they were all about the oligarchy?

Or why isn't it progressive? Progressives can have and spread good ideas? It's not OK to do well in the process?

I think you're just envious. You've no idea how to succeed yourself, so you criticize people who do know.


Mic drop.

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RE: BEZOS BOTS TO RUN WHOLE FOODS - 6/29/2017 6:30:44 PM   
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yeh and who is going to even think about passing legislation preventing these ludicrously gargantuan conglomerates from forming that can control large percentages of the market through commerce? Nothing like shooting our toes off since we have so many holes in both feet.[/color]


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
You think Bezos is responsible for all that?
Or just one of many many examples?

Spatial reasoning tank a little low tonite? Success has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Failure of da mob gubmint to keep the scales balanced has everything to do with it. The big corps have unthinkable leverage, startup have nothing but hurdles the big corps and their gubmint mob cronies erect.


Right. So who is it on this forum that screams "tyranny!" every instance of the government trying to do its job in the arena of commerce or anywhere else. And who is that got elected president via the mantra of "Get the government off our backs!"?

Putting two and two together, here . . .

Have you not noticed that harsher treatment of individual citizens concomitant with greater leniency toward corporate high crimes and felonies has been an ongoing affair for 30-something years already? It's called- The Republican Platform.

US Republicanism; rogue government, corporate oligarchy, highest incarceration rate, financial/economic earthquakes, . . .

"It's what's for dinner."



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RE: BEZOS BOTS TO RUN WHOLE FOODS - 6/29/2017 7:12:17 PM   
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BTW, I used the term "US Republicans", or a derivative of it, for benefit of those (including Europeans and British) who don't know that Irish Republicans and Spanish Republicans and modern US Republicans are each vastly different things.

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RE: BEZOS BOTS TO RUN WHOLE FOODS - 7/26/2017 7:42:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I don't know where you make up your information. Must be some factory.

I don't mind successful people -- Obama or Bezos or Buffett etc. Why do you think that's not "leftist"? Didn't the DNC just make clear they were all about the oligarchy?

Or why isn't it progressive? Progressives can have and spread good ideas? It's not OK to do well in the process?

I think you're just envious. You've no idea how to succeed yourself, so you criticize people who do know.


Mic drop.

I know, right?

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