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heavyblinker -> US Global Power Will Collapse Under Trump (6/27/2017 11:39:49 PM)

It's not a new article, but I thought it was an interesting one.

https://geopolitics.co/2016/12/08/us-power-will-decline-under-trump-futurist-johan-galtung/

A Nobel prize-nominated futurist who correctly predicted several key events in recent world history suggests that the US is currently in a position close to where the USSR was before it collapsed.

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The model works like this: the more those contradictions deepen, the greater the likelihood they will result in a social crisis that could upend the existing order.

...Galtung warned that during this phase of decline, the US was likely to go through a phase of reactionary “fascism”.
He argued that American fascism would come from a capacity for tremendous global violence; a vision of American exceptionalism as the “fittest nation”; a belief in a coming final war between good and evil; a cult of the strong state leading the fight of good against evil; and a cult of the “strong leader”.
All of which, Galtung said, surfaced during the Bush era, and which now appear to have come to fruition through Trump. Such fascism, he told Motherboard, is a symptom of the decline—lashing out in disbelief at the loss of power.

Among the 15 structural contradictions his model identifies as driving the decline, are:

economic contradictions such as ‘overproduction relative to demand’, unemployment and the increasing costs of climate change;
military contradictions including rising tensions between the US, NATO, and its military allies, along with the increasing economic unsustainability of war;
political contradictions including the conflicting roles of the US, UN and EU;
cultural contradictions including tensions between US Judeo-Christianity, Islam, and other minorities;
and social contradictions encompassing the increasing gulf between the so-called ‘American Dream’, the belief that everyone can prosper in America through hard work, and the reality of American life (the fact that more and more people can’t).


Sounds about right.



Real0ne -> RE: US Global Power Will Collapse Under Trump (6/28/2017 12:33:58 AM)

Yes it took many years and hard work to put us where we are!
(and a lot of really stooopid americans, much like today come to think of it)



[img]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/fed%20reserve/long_term_value_US_dollar.gif[/img]


all bow to keynes economy, right mm [8|]



heavyblinker -> RE: US Global Power Will Collapse Under Trump (6/28/2017 12:48:27 AM)

What does inflation have to do with the collapse of power?



eulero83 -> RE: US Global Power Will Collapse Under Trump (6/28/2017 3:49:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Yes it took many years and hard work to put us where we are!
(and a lot of really stooopid americans, much like today come to think of it)



[img]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/fed%20reserve/long_term_value_US_dollar.gif[/img]


all bow to keynes economy, right mm [8|]


according to this record: https://usa.usembassy.de/etexts/his/e_prices1.htm

the average yearly income in the 1900 was $438 according to your graph infltion cut purchasing power by 25 times, so $10950 now it's $39336 this not including the increase of women in the workforce. The truth is wealth increased almost 4 times.

If you want a more interesting graph here is a federal reserve study that adjust for inflation the hourly income: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States#/media/File:U.S._Hourly_Wages_-_Real_or_Adjusted_for_Inflation_1964-2014.png

as you can see the 70's were a golden age



PeonForHer -> RE: US Global Power Will Collapse Under Trump (6/28/2017 3:57:27 AM)

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a belief in a coming final war between good and evil; a cult of the strong state leading the fight of good against evil; and a cult of the “strong leader”.


Hmm. I don't quite see that, with Trump. But there's a danger that what comes along as a result of Trump, in order to put right the laughing-stock he's creating of the Presidency and even the State itself - could be that.



Baldrick -> RE: US Global Power Will Collapse Under Trump (6/28/2017 4:11:23 AM)


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

What does inflation have to do with the collapse of power?



Ask the Germans pre WW2



heavyblinker -> RE: US Global Power Will Collapse Under Trump (6/28/2017 4:29:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Baldrick


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

What does inflation have to do with the collapse of power?



Ask the Germans pre WW2


So the US is currently experiencing hyperinflation?
I don't think so.



Termyn8or -> RE: US Global Power Will Collapse Under Trump (6/28/2017 4:33:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Baldrick


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

What does inflation have to do with the collapse of power?



Ask the Germans pre WW2


But there really was no collapse. They took over a few countries.

That is when they got rid of the banksters. Read into that what you want.

If any President causes a collapse it will be the best thing that ever happened to this country. All this foreign aid stops, the 130+ military bases stop, the support of dictators stop, and Israel doesn't get their new shipment of state of the art weapons.

Sounds good to me.

Let the chips fall.

T^T



Musicmystery -> RE: US Global Power Will Collapse Under Trump (6/28/2017 5:38:43 AM)

The US under Trump has already ceded global power.

We've walked away from Europe and NATO, alienated our allies (even Canada and Australia), leaving Germany to lead the free world.

We've walked away from our own agreements, leaving the rest of the world knowing that including us in negotiations and partnerships is pointless, so they'd best pass over us and continue into the future without us.

And economically, we've ceded leadership by default to China, including ecology and human rights leadership, even Pacific partnerships, now in the hands of Beijing. Meanwhile, China was already ahead of us in Africa.

Meanwhile Russia, desperate under Putin to regain former glory, puffs up about the end of US dominance, and wants to lead the world, meddling in everyone's elections, but isn't likely to succeed against China. And all the while India grows in power, population, and influence daily. The East will lead the global economy now, and we'll have to accept what we're told on other global issues.

We do still control the seas, but China is anxious to change that, especially in the South China Sea, and Trump wants to cut spending (except for building new toys) and have other countries "do their share," which will also spell the end of US trade going freely anywhere it wants. We will no longer be able to set the rules.

That's what's ALREADY happened . . . in 150 days.

Oh, and that we're laughing stock.



eulero83 -> RE: US Global Power Will Collapse Under Trump (6/28/2017 7:35:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Oh, and that we're laughing stock.


to be onest I'm not laughing, I'm trying to figure out if there will be petrol for my car and gas to heat my house this winter as saudi arabia seems boldened by us support against iran like the austr-hungary was in 1914 by german support.



BoscoX -> RE: US Global Power Will Collapse Under Trump (6/28/2017 7:47:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: eulero83


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Oh, and that we're laughing stock.


to be onest I'm not laughing, I'm trying to figure out if there will be petrol for my car and gas to heat my house this winter as saudi arabia seems boldened by us support against iran like the austr-hungary was in 1914 by german support.


Iran is trying to spread their version of fundamentalist Islam with the sword (so to speak) throughout the region, and the Saudis stand in their way

And now, so do we

What kind of moron would stand aside as Iran forces fundamentalist Islam onto other nations

They probably call themselves feminists or feminist sympathizers as they cheer on the Mullahs

So far as oil prices are concerned, President Trump is helping to bolster our production, and Canada's production, effectively crippling OPEC



Musicmystery -> RE: US Global Power Will Collapse Under Trump (6/28/2017 8:27:34 AM)

No, he's not.



Termyn8or -> RE: US Global Power Will Collapse Under Trump (6/28/2017 8:46:55 AM)

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The US under Trump has already ceded global power.


You are fucking nuts. We srill got more military than anyone around.

Just like a broad scrreaming you are. The sky is falling.

I fully sgree that the US is not able to take on the world. We might win but it is going to hurt, ALOT. But when your ass comes on here and claims that somehow the Trump Presidency causes us to lose military power you show the lack of logic in liberals.

Not one plane ship or other artifact of war has been lost. You made a baseless and incorrect claim.

I know the guy is an asshole, but you liberals are being worse assholes. Making these claims only hurts your credibility and also might cost you followers.

Remember that 90 million people did not show up to vote for your autistic bitch last November. Why did they bother to register if they were not going to vote ?

The bottom line here is that for better or worse, Donald Trump is not Hillary Clinton. You got that fleagle ? Are you picking up what I am laying down ? Democrats put Trump in office, and if you do not understand that you have no business talking politics. YOU fucking idiots ran a candidate that would NEVER be elected, and YOU were too fucking stupid to see that coming.

Bitch and moan all you want, in fact aren't you due at the cry-in ? I admit the republicans had nobody, and that is part of why Trump got in. But who the fuck did YOU put on the ballot ? One of the most hated broads in the US.

Whose fault is that ? Fucking Donald Duck could have beat her. (umm, maybe he did) Homer Simpson could have beat her. But you assholes said is was her turn, and we needed a female President and you took your god daned progressiveness a bit too far. So much so that you aggravated republicans to go out and vote for the only other option while 90 fucking million people stayed home and did not vote for your bitch.

Can I make it any plainer than that ? Or do I have to get nasty like you do at public events that don't suit you ?

Wait until we start motherfuckers..

T^T



Termyn8or -> RE: US Global Power Will Collapse Under Trump (6/28/2017 8:51:12 AM)

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What kind of moron would stand aside as Iran forces fundamentalist Islam onto other nations


Umm, where exactly are they doing that ?

T^T



heavyblinker -> RE: US Global Power Will Collapse Under Trump (6/28/2017 8:59:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX
So far as oil prices are concerned, President Trump is helping to bolster our production, and Canada's production, effectively crippling OPEC


That's absolutely moronic.

Oil extraction from the Canadian oil sands was so expensive that the moment oil prices dropped from their all-time highs, everything shut down and the local economy went into a deep recession.
Keystone isn't going to do anything to change that-- all the US will get out of it is some temporary jobs that will last maybe a few years.

And Trump was going after Canada about a month ago... so now they're going to cripple OPEC together?
Fucking hell, why do they let people like you vote?



heavyblinker -> RE: US Global Power Will Collapse Under Trump (6/28/2017 9:02:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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What kind of moron would stand aside as Iran forces fundamentalist Islam onto other nations


Umm, where exactly are they doing that ?

T^T


He doesn't realize that Iran is Shia and ISIS is Sunni.



Termyn8or -> RE: US Global Power Will Collapse Under Trump (6/28/2017 9:35:50 AM)

The quetion stands blinky. You did not answer it. Maybe you are not as smart as you think you are.

TT^T



WhoreMods -> RE: US Global Power Will Collapse Under Trump (6/28/2017 10:24:20 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
You are fucking nuts. We srill got more military than anyone around.

Military spending isn't the same thing as a functional military. The hilarious fiasco in Iraq demonstrated that, even if the similar epic fail in the former Yugoslavia hadn't made it clear already.



Musicmystery -> RE: US Global Power Will Collapse Under Trump (6/28/2017 10:42:06 AM)

Congress keeps buying things the military tells it they don't want or need.

It's about $$$$$$$, not security.



BoscoX -> RE: US Global Power Will Collapse Under Trump (6/28/2017 11:47:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

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What kind of moron would stand aside as Iran forces fundamentalist Islam onto other nations


Umm, where exactly are they doing that ?

T^T


It's old news, been going on for a long time

From Wikipedia:

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Background[edit]
Further information: Iran–Saudi Arabia relations
The proxy conflict can be traced back to the Iranian Revolution in 1979, when Imperial Iran became an Islamic Republic. The revolutionaries called specifically for the ousting of monarchies and secular regimes to be replaced with Islamic republics, much to the alarm of its smaller Sunni-run Arab neighbors Ba'athist Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and the other Persian Gulf States, most of whom were monarchies and all of whom had sizable Shia populations. Islamist insurgents rose in Saudi Arabia in 1979, Egypt in 1981, Syria in 1982, and Lebanon in 1983.

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