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Time to roll back the clock - 6/28/2017 11:26:12 AM   
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Well the EPA is about to dump the regulations that protect the drinking water of 117 million Americans.

I mean, no big deal, the Flint river was so polluted it was killing people, and so what is adding 117 million more?

EPA moves to ax Obama-era Clean Water Rule, which protects drinking water for one-third of Americans

Look, I dont give a fuck about how people feel about climate change, but considering some of President Trump's plans dealing with the EPA, do we really want to go back to this?

And considering it was the GOP that got those first anti pollution regulations passed, it really says a lot about how far the GOP has sunk.

Of course, since most of the people affected by the change would fall into the lower income brackets (those that can afford it will buy bottled water) it will solve some of the current GOP's problem, how to deal with the poor.

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RE: Time to roll back the clock - 6/28/2017 11:28:01 AM   
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yay trump winning, awesome

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RE: Time to roll back the clock - 6/28/2017 12:00:48 PM   
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how about instead of the usual hysterical "sky is falling" and overly-so-broad-that-its-rendered-meaningless-response to the trump administration you actually articulate the eaxct regulations that are being rolled back and then make a reasoned case for how each one is necessary??

you know, because government bureaucracies never just grow without being absolutely and wholly justified right?

maybe there is a way you can work the "republicans want to throw granny off the cliff" meme in there too??


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RE: Time to roll back the clock - 6/28/2017 12:04:37 PM   
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Nobody was ever safe from anything, before the great Obama...



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RE: Time to roll back the clock - 6/28/2017 12:35:32 PM   
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quote:

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how about instead of the usual hysterical "sky is falling" and overly-so-broad-that-its-rendered-meaningless-response to the trump administration you actually articulate the eaxct regulations that are being rolled back and then make a reasoned case for how each one is necessary??

you know, because government bureaucracies never just grow without being absolutely and wholly justified right?

maybe there is a way you can work the "republicans want to throw granny off the cliff" meme in there too??


He did dogshit44, cant you read? About 1/3 of Americans get their drinking waters from streams that were not regulated before the rule (what is called non-navigable; speed, width, depth, rocks, trees and so on make them non-navigable), and the nutsuckers want to remove that rule, allowing you to dump all sorts of shit in that water.

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RE: Time to roll back the clock - 6/28/2017 12:36:54 PM   
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Nobody was ever safe from anything, before the great Obama...



nobody is ever safe from the putinjizz felchgobbling nutsuckers.

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RE: Time to roll back the clock - 6/28/2017 12:50:10 PM   
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Nobody was ever safe from anything, before the great Obama...



You felt less secure with the president who was in charge when Osama bin Laden was found and killed than you did under the one who ignored warnings that OBL was planning something big and who dismissed the idea of pursuing reprisals against al queda as pointless and insignificant next to using their 2001 attacks as an excuse to invade an oil rich state his party, family and vice president's corporate sponsors had been looking for an excuse to invade since the last gulf war, then?

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RE: Time to roll back the clock - 6/28/2017 12:58:15 PM   
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Another victory for Team Toxifying Trump

You go Scott Pruitt

EPA Head's Plan to Gut Popular Water Rule Condemned as Gift to Polluters
Scott Pruitt seems like the kind of guy who would dunk his first born in toxic waste just to demonstrate that it would survive. Still, his decision to reject a ban on a popular pesticide that’s been shown to harm children’s brains was a little surprising. On Tuesday, we found out that a cozy relationship with the pesticide’s manufacturer may have influenced his thinking.
On March 29th, the EPA administrator rejected a petition from the Pesticide Action Network North America (PANNA) and the Natural Resources Defense Council to ban chlorpyrifos. The organophosphate pesticide has been in use since 1965 and in recent years, scientists have demonstrated repeatedly that it has negative effects on the development of children’s brains.

Scientists at the EPA concluded that even in tiny doses chlorpyrifos can interfere with the development of children’s brains and the levels in food were higher than they consider safe. Despite some interagency debate about conclusions by the chemical safety staff, a revised study still found that the pesticide should be banned. When Pruitt announced that he would deny the ban, he said, “By reversing the previous administration’s steps to ban one of the most widely used pesticides in the world, we are returning to using sound science in decision-making — rather than predetermined results.”

The EPA released Pruitt’s March meeting schedule earlier this month following multiple FOIA requests and the Associated Press noticed something interesting. Just 20 days prior to rejecting the ban, Pruitt met with Dow CEO Andrew Liveris. Dow manufactures chlorpyrifos and it also spent $13.6 million on lobbying in 2016. From the Associated Press report:

Dow also donated $1 million to Trump’s underattended inauguration.

Gut the rivers, Gut the Drinking Water Gut the fishee, Gut the children

Pruitt rejects the scientific consensus on climate change.[76][77][9][78] Pruitt has also falsely asserted that there is no scientific consensus on climate change.[79][28][80][81] During his January 18, 2017, confirmation hearing to be EPA Administrator, he said that "the climate is changing, and human activity contributes to that in some manner".[82] In March 2017, Pruitt said that he does not believe that human activities, specifically carbon dioxide emissions, are a primary contributor to climate change, a view which is in contradiction with the scientific consensus.[65][83] On June 2, 2017, Scott Pruitt acknowledged that global warming is occurring, and that “human activity contributes to it in some manner." However he added “Measuring with precision, from my perspective, the degree of human contribution is very challenging.”[84]

In May 2016, Pruitt and Luther Strange authored an op-ed in the National Review criticizing other state attorneys general for "acting like George III" regarding the ExxonMobil (tooo Exxon again - no shit guffaws) climate change controversy, writing ".

A May 2017 study in Nature Scientific Reports examined Pruitt's claim that "over the past two decades satellite data indicates there has been a leveling off of warming."[87][88] The study found that the claim was false: "Satellite temperature measurements do not support the claim of a “leveling off of warming” over the past two decades"


As Oklahoma Attorney General, Pruitt sued the EPA at least 14 times. Regulated industry companies or trade associations who were financial donors to Pruitt's political causes were co-parties in 13 of these 14 cases. These cases included suing to block the anti-climate change Clean Power Plan four times, challenging mercury pollution limits twice, ozone pollution limits once, fighting the Cross-State Air Pollution Rule and the Clean Water Rule,[92] as well as fighting regulations on methane emissions.[23] Pruitt stated at his Senate confirmation hearing in January 2017 that the EPA has an "obligation" to regulate carbon dioxide in accordance with a 2007 Supreme Court case and 2009 EPA decision establishing carbon emissions as a threat to public health.[93]

Under Pruitt, Oklahoma sued the EPA and lost on challenges to the EPA’s regulatory authority over mercury and other toxins, as well as pollutants responsible for creating regional atmospheric haze. It challenged the manner in which EPA sued unrelated entities and for what Pruitt termed the agency's "sue and settle" practices. Oklahoma further sued and lost after the EPA declined to provide extensive records in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit, a request the federal judge hearing the case found to be overly broad and economically burdensome.[94]

Looking a-okay totally fuked Americashire

Heh will i need one of em hazard suits when i come visit to bag me a couple niggers? Still, look on the bright side i can shit in the rivers. Glass of tap water toxic sludge one lump of ice and 3 of shit guffaws pretty tap water its all silvery Mercury deelicious guffaws guffaws

That reminds me has anyone heard from anyone from Flint? Or have they corpses been incorporated chemically disposed off into radiation shields and gasoline.



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RE: Time to roll back the clock - 6/28/2017 1:26:57 PM   
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quote:

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how about instead of the usual hysterical "sky is falling" and overly-so-broad-that-its-rendered-meaningless-response to the trump administration you actually articulate the eaxct regulations that are being rolled back and then make a reasoned case for how each one is necessary??

you know, because government bureaucracies never just grow without being absolutely and wholly justified right?

maybe there is a way you can work the "republicans want to throw granny off the cliff" meme in there too??




the regulations in question deal with arsenic, cyanide and lead as well as raising the minimums on known carcinogenic compounds that can be discharged into water ways that are also the primary source of drinking water for 117 million Americans.

You know, the same compounds that managed to make it past the water purification efforts of Flint Michigan.

Other water discharge regulations being looked at are those dealing with non degradable petroleum by products, the kind that used to catch fire in rivers near industrial areas.

I dont know about you, but I kind of like the idea of my grandkids having access to safe drinking water, and I kind of like the idea of being able to eat the fish I catch.

But I guess weakening the restrictions are alright, if the big corporations make a profit, can pay more to their employees, who cares if the water those employees are drinking could cause birth defects and mental impairment of future generations, right?

Tell you what bounty, take your vacation on the Pigeon river down river of Canton North Carolina and the Champion paper mill. Fill free to drink all that wonderful mountain water you want.

Of course, you might not want to when you notice that nothing grows near the banks and there are no fish in the water. Then if you stay in Knoxville TN, you will probably decide to buy bottled water to drink when you realize the drinking water comes from a lake supplied by the Pigeon.

And that is all due to 'allowable' chemical discharge from regulations that were in place 20 years ago... which Trump's EPA want to roll back to.

That river still has not recovered, and it is estimated that it may in another 100 years.

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RE: Time to roll back the clock - 6/28/2017 1:39:47 PM   
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I'm sure all of the water fitration companies don't mind.

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RE: Time to roll back the clock - 6/28/2017 2:03:52 PM   
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I'm sure all of the water fitration companies don't mind.



Actually, of the carcinogens in the Pigeon river, about half will make it through most of the reasonably priced systems.

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RE: Time to roll back the clock - 6/28/2017 2:57:45 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

how about instead of the usual hysterical "sky is falling" and overly-so-broad-that-its-rendered-meaningless-response to the trump administration you actually articulate the eaxct regulations that are being rolled back and then make a reasoned case for how each one is necessary??

you know, because government bureaucracies never just grow without being absolutely and wholly justified right?

maybe there is a way you can work the "republicans want to throw granny off the cliff" meme in there too??




the regulations in question deal with arsenic, cyanide and lead as well as raising the minimums on known carcinogenic compounds that can be discharged into water ways that are also the primary source of drinking water for 117 million Americans.

You know, the same compounds that managed to make it past the water purification efforts of Flint Michigan.

Other water discharge regulations being looked at are those dealing with non degradable petroleum by products, the kind that used to catch fire in rivers near industrial areas.

I dont know about you, but I kind of like the idea of my grandkids having access to safe drinking water, and I kind of like the idea of being able to eat the fish I catch.

But I guess weakening the restrictions are alright, if the big corporations make a profit, can pay more to their employees, who cares if the water those employees are drinking could cause birth defects and mental impairment of future generations, right?

Tell you what bounty, take your vacation on the Pigeon river down river of Canton North Carolina and the Champion paper mill. Fill free to drink all that wonderful mountain water you want.

Of course, you might not want to when you notice that nothing grows near the banks and there are no fish in the water. Then if you stay in Knoxville TN, you will probably decide to buy bottled water to drink when you realize the drinking water comes from a lake supplied by the Pigeon.

And that is all due to 'allowable' chemical discharge from regulations that were in place 20 years ago... which Trump's EPA want to roll back to.

That river still has not recovered, and it is estimated that it may in another 100 years.


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RE: Time to roll back the clock - 6/28/2017 4:25:52 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

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I'm sure all of the water fitration companies don't mind.



Actually, of the carcinogens in the Pigeon river, about half will make it through most of the reasonably priced systems.

My father worked at the Oak Ridge plant for twenty years. Smart people don't drink the water, nor eat fish from the rivers and lakes, and they are careful about eating what they hunt even. Water filtration plants are basically irrelevant.

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RE: Time to roll back the clock - 6/28/2017 4:26:14 PM   
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Sure, we trust the word of an Internet troll

No need to provide links, ever






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RE: Time to roll back the clock - 6/28/2017 4:34:30 PM   
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quote:

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how about instead of the usual hysterical "sky is falling" and overly-so-broad-that-its-rendered-meaningless-response to the trump administration you actually articulate the eaxct regulations that are being rolled back and then make a reasoned case for how each one is necessary??

you know, because government bureaucracies never just grow without being absolutely and wholly justified right?

maybe there is a way you can work the "republicans want to throw granny off the cliff" meme in there too??




Bounty, please. I know that you pride yourself on being moderate, middle-of-the-road, and stuff - but Trump is *not that*. Trump is a dangerously stupid, narcissistic man who has no place in the White House. He is *fucking up your country*.

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RE: Time to roll back the clock - 6/28/2017 4:49:32 PM   
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I think we need a Biodome, just for Politicians, who have prove they can survive under the conditions their legislation inflicts on the country they are supposed to serve.

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RE: Time to roll back the clock - 6/28/2017 4:58:56 PM   
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I think we need a Biodome, just for Politicians, who have prove they can survive under the conditions their legislation inflicts on the country they are supposed to serve.


We need to ship environazis to their own biodome too, let them live in a world where there is no economy because everything is as overly regulated as they demand

Where there are no mined products, refined products or any products shipped using petroleum products in any way

No heat, no ac, no frills caveman style living

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RE: Time to roll back the clock - 6/28/2017 6:02:09 PM   
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quote:

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how about instead of the usual hysterical "sky is falling" and overly-so-broad-that-its-rendered-meaningless-response to the trump administration you actually articulate the eaxct regulations that are being rolled back and then make a reasoned case for how each one is necessary??

you know, because government bureaucracies never just grow without being absolutely and wholly justified right?

maybe there is a way you can work the "republicans want to throw granny off the cliff" meme in there too??


And how can we repeal any of those laws, look how well they worked in Michigan.

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RE: Time to roll back the clock - 6/28/2017 6:37:44 PM   
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RE: Time to roll back the clock - 6/28/2017 10:44:07 PM   
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I think we need a Biodome, just for Politicians, who have prove they can survive under the conditions their legislation inflicts on the country they are supposed to serve.


We need to ship environazis to their own biodome too, let them live in a world where there is no economy because everything is as overly regulated as they demand

Where there are no mined products, refined products or any products shipped using petroleum products in any way

No heat, no ac, no frills caveman style living


Between Biodome 1) with polluted air, water and food but a/c, carbon fueled heat and luxuries
and Biodome 2) with clean air, water and food but hard work and renewable energies

Which do you think can sustain life?

There's an old saying, you don't shit where you eat. Like it or not we are taking an ecological system beautifully designed to clean and filter our environment naturally and we are spreading like a virus through it until it can barely sustain us. It is counterintuitive to consciously continue on a path of destruction.

We are technically advanced enough to improve our lifestyles and our environment without continuing on a path of destruction or reverting back to the Stone Age.

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