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Isn´t that illegal?

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On a side note, isn´t waterboarding in particular extremely dangerous? I only know of it from those reports on Guantanamo Bay but IIRC it can easily lead to the person being waterboarded actually drowning.

Yeah it can be extremely dangerous, especially if you don't know what you're doing. It's certainly not something you should try without getting instruction by somebody with experience on how to do it.

Interestingly enough, when you do it within certain tolerance limits, the biggest danger in it isn't actually drowning, it's infection. Every time you introduce foreign substances into the lungs, you're risking infections. So if you're going to waterboard somebody for play, especially if you do it frequently, you need to make sure you clean/sterilize your tools (cloth, cans/buckets, water) to minimize the risk of infections.

You've got pretty good control as the Top on whether or not you're putting the bottom at risk for drowning... you can waterboard somebody to the point of utter hysteria with about 2 cups of water (generally not nearly enough to risk drowning, especially considering that the majority of that water will be absorbed into the cloth you're using)... but what you can't control is whether or not those two cups of water, and the fibers from the cloth you're using, are going to cause an infection or not after you introduce them into the bottom's lungs. You can only be aware of that risk, and attempt to minimize it by using clean tools/water, but you cannot control or eliminate it, like you can the risk of drowning.

Waterboarding also isn't the top most dangerous things you can do kink wise. There's other things in my repertoire that are far more risky.

Suspension rope play, for instance, has -statistically speaking- a far greater likelihood of causing serious, lasting injuries, than a controlled breath play technique like waterboarding.
Likewise, over nigh breath play restrictions by wearing collars at night, or gags, statistically speaking have far greater mortality risks associated with them than actively controlled breath play such as waterboarding.

That's not to say waterboarding is safe... but just to point out that very very very little which kinksters engage in is actually 'safe'.

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IDK, even as a dom i have my own set of hard limits, and i think this is one of them, may be just the fact i was schooled as Vet technician, and had the opportunity to see and touch actual lungs (though they were horse lungs), i just find the idea of messing around with such a fragile organ unappealing, for one i know that burst lung can lead to death without immediate medical intervention, and can not really be repaired, only isolated and removed so that the other lung can keep doing it´s function, and also the fact that each person has only limited number of lung alveoli (tiny bubbles used to transfer oxygen into blood) once they burst you don´t get them back, they don´t regrow or regenerate, that is why some old people have trouble breathing, especially smokers, their lung capacity has been severely reduced due to burst alveoli. But that´s just my view of things, i would not engage in such play since i could not banish this image from my head.

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IDK, even as a dom i have my own set of hard limits, and i think this is one of them, may be just the fact i was schooled as Vet technician, and had the opportunity to see and touch actual lungs (though they were horse lungs), i just find the idea of messing around with such a fragile organ unappealing, for one i know that burst lung can lead to death without immediate medical intervention, and can not really be repaired, only isolated and removed so that the other lung can keep doing it´s function, and also the fact that each person has only limited number of lung alveoli (tiny bubbles used to transfer oxygen into blood) once they burst you don´t get them back, they don´t regrow or regenerate, that is why some old people have trouble breathing, especially smokers, their lung capacity has been severely reduced due to burst alveoli. But that´s just my view of things, i would not engage in such play since i could not banish this image from my head.

Your Dom card isn't going to be revoked or something, because you're not into every kind of play possible.

I only used waterboarding as an example of how consensual nonconsent play isn't always necessarily role play, like you claimed.

And scuba diving has a much much much higher risk of burst alveoli than the type of scene I just described, but people still engage in that anyways as well.
Most kink is inherently risky. Stuff could go wrong, and things could end up going very very bad.
But so could tons of other activities people engage in on a daily basis.
The point is to be informed and aware of the risk, so you can attempt to minimize it when the risk/reward isn't worth it, and are ready for facing the consequences of it going wrong if you decided that the risk/reward was worth it.

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Yeah, that´s why i dislike this recent breakthrough of BDSM into popular culture, with things like 50SoG and the knockoffs, many people are entering this field completely unaware, and not wary of the risks, we spend years learning how to manage this thing, and you are absolutely right, it is dangerous, and now i see people (mostly women who read 50SoG) trying to talk their partners into dominating them without even basic knowledge.

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Yeah, that´s why i dislike this recent breakthrough of BDSM into popular culture, with things like 50SoG and the knockoffs, many people are entering this field completely unaware, and not wary of the risks, we spend years learning how to manage this thing, and you are absolutely right, it is dangerous, and now i see people (mostly women who read 50SoG) trying to talk their partners into dominating them without even basic knowledge.

I don't think there's any risk of the 50 shaders trying waterboarding any time soon.

Most of the fuzzy cuff, warm up type spanking, they're into isn't really all that dangerous. At the worse somebody will have some bruises they weren't counting on, or will pinch a nerve here or there.

I generally find that the crowd who actually engages in 'extreme' kink is very well informed and educated about the risks. There's exceptions, like in everything, but there's really no need to be doomsdaying about how all the 50 shaders are going to kill themselves because they'll try to waterboard somebody without a proper education.
That just isn't the norm in the kink community.

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you have no avatar because your wanton like the many

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... i find myself wondering, is it possible for a sub to hate something and be aroused at the idea at the same time, thereby putting it in "hates" as opposed to hard limits, are there some subs who are aroused at the idea of being made to do something they dislike? Or am i just reading too much into it?