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Temptation temptation temptation - 7/15/2017 5:17:05 PM   
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A long time friend of mine who knows me all too well sends me links to "free boats" which are usually 60 plus feet in length and requires some effort (not divine help, just some elbow grease) to make sea worthy.

He has known me since we were kids, and knows I am happy either in the middle of nowhere on land or on a nice blue water vessel in the middle of the ocean telling the eternally pms'ing bitch (aka the sea) what she can do with her attitude.

His latest temptation is a 90 foot wood over steel motor yacht laid down in 1936, she now has twin cat marine diesels circa 1970, and requires only cosmetic work (cosmetic as in all the internal bulkheads needs to be completed, the bulkhead studs are the only things in place, no bunks, no way to cook meals and half the port holes and windows are covered in plywood) but all the necessary items are present to finish the job, sans hull paint and finish stains for the bulkheads.

Of course, to bring this vessel up modern solo sailing I would need an additional 10 to 20 grand.

So, should I decide to sell everything, pay off the mortgage on the property I am buying with my sister and take off, I figure I will need the following...

1) a mechanic who knows his (or her) way around the cat marines, as well as the generator,
2) a marine qualified electrician that knows not only the dc but the ac systems that would be used (aka the computer)
3) a couple of people who can a) read a chart and b) follow a course, and c) understand what the fuck just came across the weather fax.

Final port would be the island of Tau in the American Somoa's (mail delivered once a week and absofucking zero tourists) with the idea that any spending money could be earned by zipping over to the main island and offering charter fishing services.

Considering said vessel is in the final stages of a complete rebuild, a new name is justified and would not anger the eternally pms'ing bitch or her minions.

Be advised, if any Brits offer to join this merry band, it would also justify the captain (me) resurrecting the tried and true Royal Navy tradition of flogging.

There is one other vessel that he included in his most recent temptation bid, a 140 top gallant three masted schooner, which needs a bit (his word, my word term would be help from god's shipwright) more work and a shit ton of canvas (sails) which would of course require some people who are not afraid of heights since the only way to furl or set top gallants are to go aloft.

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RE: Temptation temptation temptation - 7/15/2017 11:29:40 PM   
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Further consideration (and talking to a real estate agent) the prospect is not so far out of reach as might be thought.

The acreage I own free and clear is located in a fairly undesirable part of the county, and thus the value if sold in the current market would cover the mortgage on the house that I am buying with my sister and provide a bit for work that I would do on either of these vessels, and leave enough in sister's bank account to cover any emergency that may arise.

Admittedly this is the first I have considered selling the property that I have long looked at as a refuge should all hell and civilization collapse.

However, should I take this course of action, some of my, shall we say, more exotic firearms in my collection would have to be liquidated as even if stored in a secure locker on board might violate some of the civilian port regulations in many ports that might seem worthy of a visit, even if the vessel is flagged with a US flag.

Since all vessels entering any port (with the exception of military vessels) are subject to a customs search and at least three of my collection fall well outside what could be called 'sporting arms' and fall clearly into the international definition of military hardware (okay, they are belt fed 30 cal M1919 machine guns, air cooled, though not yet operational.)

The primary ports are those with recent colonial ties with various European countries, or territories of said countries. What the hell the Brits have against belt fed machine guns is beyond me since they invented the damn things.

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RE: Temptation temptation temptation - 7/16/2017 4:54:16 AM   
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I thought the Maxim was a copy of a French machine gun?
I take it you've shifted from planning to greet the end of civilisation like this:

to greeting it like this instead:

then?

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RE: Temptation temptation temptation - 7/16/2017 5:06:59 AM   
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Heaven 17 - Temptation

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RE: Temptation temptation temptation - 7/16/2017 5:38:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

I thought the Maxim was a copy of a French machine gun?
I take it you've shifted from planning to greet the end of civilisation like this:

to greeting it like this instead:

then?


Actually, I have come to the conclusion, after rereading an essay by Stephen King that some idiot with more money than brains (aka dumber than a herd of Donald Trumps) is gonna go on some 'primitive expedition vacation' and pick up some bug that that no body but the locals have dealt with and bring it back to the rest of the world and the biblical pandemic from hell on steroids will ensue.

Or, considering the growing popularity of prairie dogs for pets, some dufus is gonna catch gather up a bunch of prairie dog pups without knowing they are carrying a newer strain of bubonic plague that is antibiotic resistant and sell em to some pet store chain and we gonna see a repeat of the black death.

Which means that about 2/3's of the population is gonna go belly up, about a third to the initial infection and the other third to pure fucking stupidity trying to deal with the chaos.

Then there is the possibility that some chowder head is gonna go looking for, and find a specimen of the original Spanish flu that ripped the world apart in 1918/19 and it will get out of the lab.

Now, as for your pictures, specifically the screen capture from 'Water World' for the sea level to rise that much to cover all appreciable land masses, after the melting of the ice caps, there would have to be introduced to the ecosystem enough water cover the entire planet to a depth of 100 meters with the exception of the mountain ranges....

Or about 8000 solid ice comets impacting the planet, in which case, there would not be anything living on the planet, and zero liquid water, since the amount of water thrown into the atmosphere would reflect about 90 percent of the heat from the sun.

Can we say "snow ball earth?"

So a nice, lightly inhabited island somewhere in the south pacific off the shipping lanes with days spent with a fishing line off the stern, watching scantly clad native girls on shore while sipping good scotch, Canadian or Irish whiskey sounds a hell of a lot better than dealing with the average dumber than shit redneck in Walmart (or whatever the equivalent is in the UK.)

And the motor yacht that would be my first choice has a hull made of a species of hard wood found in south America that is damn near impervious to the average wood eating marine life.

It is unfortunate that in the particular region of the Pacific I find most appealing has a few UK territorial holdings (with the subsequent firearm restrictions) as well as French Polynesia.

So, either I stick to American ports ( American Samoa in particular) or I get rid of those items which would give custom officials following European based laws conniption fits.

Of course, the top gallant schooner would require a crew of at least 20 to handle safely, and they would have to be volunteers looking to get away from the hectic normal routine of western civilization (can you think of 20 people that would want to work a tall ship without pay?)

Thus the motor vessel is the more logical choice, the occasional fishing charter on a classic wood yacht in those waters could bring in an easy thousand bucks a day, plus tips.

Or there is the option of running overnight tours to the smaller islands, which would mean the full time residents of said escape lifestyle would have to move to crew cabins for the duration of such endeavors.

As it stands I have enough hours as a mate on a charter boat to take the test for a small vessel captain's ticket to do either.

And since we are talking Fiji, Tahiti, and a couple of other south sea vacation paradise destinations, either is easily available.

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RE: Temptation temptation temptation - 7/16/2017 6:44:00 AM   
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What's the King essay? I don't think I've read that one, and I'd be interested in whether it was published before or after the Dustin Hoffman film (an unspecified variant form of ebola, iirc) or William Gibson novel (Virtual Light, which has a character stating that was how HIV was introduced to the human race) in the '90s.

As for the (obviously bollocks) climatology in Waterworld I always liked the workaround for the melting icecaps raising the sea level more than they should in Ballard's The Drowned World: the increased rainfall erodes away river banks and creates swamp deltas and lagoons around every coast by pushing tons of soil and crap out to sea which backs flooded waterways up into the low lying river deltas. Not sure it's that much more plausible than the water levels rising a couple of inches globally, but it sounds more convincing than a lot of excuses in science fiction.

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RE: Temptation temptation temptation - 7/16/2017 11:26:13 AM   
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quote:

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What's the King essay? I don't think I've read that one, and I'd be interested in whether it was published before or after the Dustin Hoffman film (an unspecified variant form of ebola, iirc) or William Gibson novel (Virtual Light, which has a character stating that was how HIV was introduced to the human race) in the '90s.

As for the (obviously bollocks) climatology in Waterworld I always liked the workaround for the melting icecaps raising the sea level more than they should in Ballard's The Drowned World: the increased rainfall erodes away river banks and creates swamp deltas and lagoons around every coast by pushing tons of soil and crap out to sea which backs flooded waterways up into the low lying river deltas. Not sure it's that much more plausible than the water levels rising a couple of inches globally, but it sounds more convincing than a lot of excuses in science fiction.



The essay was included in one paper back printing of the novel, I will see if I can find it online and post a link.

However, I will state that when SARS showed up, and a subsequent epidemiological study, it was discovered that the strain was fairly common in a remote part of Manchuria rarely visited by outsiders, and while not proven that it followed the "some outsider caught it and passed it on," it is suspected.

However, as many seem to doubt my theory of a global pandemic of any scale to cause a breakdown of civilization etc, I point to the Spanish flu pandemic of 1918-1919.

In an era pre jet age and even with the limited forms of fast travel available at the time, the pandemic killed between 20 and 40 million people. The strain was highly contagious with an accompanying high mortality rate.

A flu strain of equal mortality and equally contagious could, with today's world travel measured in hours and not weeks, would be far worse, with a death rate in the hundreds of millions or higher.

Imagine London or New York being hit with such an outbreak with that many people dying on a daily basis. The ability to handle the dead would overwhelm civil services in a matter of days, considering that not only would the average population be affected, but the health care professionals not to mention emergency workers as well as those people who are tasked with dealing with the dead.

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RE: Temptation temptation temptation - 7/16/2017 11:36:08 AM   
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New York and London are both shitholes full of pondlife. A mass epidemic would more likely kill off the people there worth keeping than the scum (Murphy's law being what it is), but in the case of an extinction level epidemic taking place in either, that's an excuse to drop a neutron bomb and sterilise the territory, or (more likely) impose a quarantine cordon and kill everybody who tries to cross it, right?

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RE: Temptation temptation temptation - 7/16/2017 1:10:14 PM   
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New York and London are both shitholes full of pondlife. A mass epidemic would more likely kill off the people there worth keeping than the scum (Murphy's law being what it is), but in the case of an extinction level epidemic taking place in either, that's an excuse to drop a neutron bomb and sterilise the territory, or (more likely) impose a quarantine cordon and kill everybody who tries to cross it, right?



Except it would not be limited to those two cities, it would be every city with an international and regional airport, and every large town with a intercity bus station or train station.

The best example is this:

Patient zero walks through a regional airport that connects to five major hubs, he infects say five people while going to his flight, then five more on the flight itself.

While none are symptomatic at the time they passed on the virus, everyone that they infected will pass it on to an equal number of people, who continue the chain.

Within 24 hours the virus is now world wide and spreading from the international hub airports to regional to train and bus stations, and patient zero is showing symptoms, as well as those he initially passed the bug on to.

Now lets say that in three of each these groups, the virus leads to critical conditions, and two basically seem to have nothing more than a mild case of the flu or maybe a common cold, so they do not go to see a doctor. So out of each group we have 3 in the hospital and two that are walking around passing the bug on because they are not in major distress.

By the time the doctors around the world figure out there is a new flu out there that is highly contagious and lethal, there would be few exceptions where the bug has not reached and reared its ugly head.

And remember, every carrier is infecting 5 people.

So by the time the medical community can spread the alarm and recommend travel restrictions, it is already too late.

So, again using the flu as our hypothetical bug, we know that the mortality rate is dependent on a number of factors, usually. But occasionally a bug comes along that does not follow the rules.

We also know that the flu viruses have a high mutation rate, hence the number of variant strains of a flu virus that crops up during an outbreak, some of which look at the vaccines and laugh and kicks ass while telling the medical world to suck its viral dick.

So, the average flu strain has in infection rate of 2-3 (as in the case of the 1918 Spanish flu,) but we have a new one that is more like 4-5.

The average flu strain has a mortality rate of 1.4 or 1.4 people out of 100.

The Spanish flu had a mortality rate of between 10 and 15, and the simple truth is that particular strain showed up once, then quietly went on vacation for the last 99 years.

Every other flu strain that has popped up since then, does so in cycles, which means they can develop either a specific vaccine or a broad spectrum vaccine. But to do either, they need a viable sample of the virus.

There are no samples of the Spanish flu from 1918.

And contrary to some movies, flu bugs that affect humans do not necessarily affect other primates, however, the same strain that Joe Somebody gets could easily be caught by pigs, birds and even dogs and cats.

Now concerning the Spanish flu, the biggest fear is that it has been laying around in some population of companion species (species that can catch the same strain as humans) and mutating while not actually making the jump back to a human carrier.

Or it could be laying dormant in some nice grave in some cold climate in the body of a victim buried where the summer temps do not get high enough to promote total decomposition. A sick medical joke is that it is laying around in the body of some Eskimo (or ww1 vet who made it home to northern frozen bumfuck before the flu killed him) buried in the permafrost waiting for some idiot to accidentally dig it up.

So lets say some idiot stumbles upon the grave of the poor soul while building a pipeline or some such, they move the body, but in the process, the body warms enough for the virus to become active and infect said idiot. They get sick as hell, and is air lifted to the nearest hospital.

That hospital is not equipped to handle whatever they are seeing (not all small hospitals have an isolation ward) so they in turn fly the poor idiot to a major hospital.

Suddenly you have patient zero with a deadly flu strain that has been sitting around mutating in the warm months and stewing then going dormant in the winters.

And if the doctors treating said idiot fail to realize that what he has/had is a contagious pathogen (and we have not mentioned mr. idiot's coworkers) until it is too late and suddenly you have a host of carriers running around giving the gift to everyone they shake hands with or happen to be close enough for the virus to spread via air transmission.

Then you have to factor in the not so recently ended practice of throwing antibiotics at every little thing by doctors, which is a nasty double edged sword. You see, by using antibiotics so frequently, the over all affect is a general weakening of the herd immune system.

In this case, the herd is the general human population.



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RE: Temptation temptation temptation - 7/16/2017 3:14:05 PM   
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You mentioned a bunker or silo on your bugout property. How is your water situation there? Wells? Dependent on rainfall? Is there decent soil for farming? In other words, is the property sustainable for long term survival?

Personally, I think keep the land. Pay your mortgage, but also send a second check with a note to apply toward your principal to pay off your mortgage much sooner. Keep both properties, and spend the time it takes to pay off the mortgage fixing whatever boat you get. Why settle?

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RE: Temptation temptation temptation - 7/16/2017 5:10:56 PM   
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You mentioned a bunker or silo on your bugout property. How is your water situation there? Wells? Dependent on rainfall? Is there decent soil for farming? In other words, is the property sustainable for long term survival?

Personally, I think keep the land. Pay your mortgage, but also send a second check with a note to apply toward your principal to pay off your mortgage much sooner. Keep both properties, and spend the time it takes to pay off the mortgage fixing whatever boat you get. Why settle?



Yes there is an old Cold War Era SAC communications bunker on the property in addition to an even older NIKE SAM site, which was upgraded when the com bunker went in.

Now the Airforce in its infinite wisdom (rare for any military arm) actually drilled a well in the old SAM bunker as well as the communication bunker, so there are two deep, fresh water wells.

The land is mostly box canyons with very little land suitable for any kind of farming over the various hay crops I have planted for both grazing for a few head of cattle and a shit ton of deer, and bales of hay.

The garden plot here at the house has to be supplimented every couple of years with dirt from a local feed lot since it is primarily red clay over this wonderful stuff known as caliche.

Caliche is that pinkish colored dirt/gravel/clay mix that they use for dirt roads and road beds for paving. It is a mixture of red clay, limestone, and other crap that results from being the bottom of a shallow sea for a few million years.

And under that is limestone.

The low hills around here were at one time the same as the florida keys, islands in a shallow sea populated by various critters that have been extinct for about 120 million years.

However, my present motivating factor is the simple and yet undeniable fact that people may be have courtesy in any other setting on the planet, but as soon as they walk through the doors at a Walmart they turn into greedy spoiled pieces of shit with zero redeeming qualities.

Doesnt help that my volunteer work with the ASPCA is further jading my opinion of the human species.

To be honest, living on a private island with only a boat as my connection to the rest of the world is more than appealing.

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RE: Temptation temptation temptation - 7/16/2017 7:36:10 PM   
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The bunker sounds sweeeet. I am extremely envious. How is the air filtered? Do you have backup energy like solar or wind or does it rely on generators? I'd seriously love to get my hands on something unique like that.

You seem to have way too many fun toys.

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