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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Now you just have to find imaginary people to fit your straw man.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

so you posted that to validate the plethora atheist myths in the OP?

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Now you just have to find imaginary people to fit your straw man.

Nero fastened the guilt . . . on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of . . . Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome. . . .{5}

5. Tacitus, Annals 15.44, cited in Strobel, The Case for Christ, 82.

On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald . . . cried, “He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy.”{21}

21. The Babylonian Talmud, transl. by I. Epstein (London: Soncino, 1935), vol. III, Sanhedrin 43a, 281, cited in Habermas, The Historical Jesus, 203.


Not so imaginary since secular history records the existence and facts nealry identical to the bible.

So by your failure to recognise facts you admit you lack the historical/theological knowldge to argue the matter, is that it?

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Now you just have to find imaginary people to fit your straw man.

Nero fastened the guilt . . . on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of . . . Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome. . . .{5}

5. Tacitus, Annals 15.44, cited in Strobel, The Case for Christ, 82.

On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald . . . cried, “He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy.”{21}

21. The Babylonian Talmud, transl. by I. Epstein (London: Soncino, 1935), vol. III, Sanhedrin 43a, 281, cited in Habermas, The Historical Jesus, 203.


Not so imaginary since secular history records the existence and facts nealry identical to the bible.

So by your failure to recognise facts you admit you lack the historical/theological knowldge to argue the matter, is that it?

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Now you just have to find imaginary people to fit your straw man.

Nero fastened the guilt . . . on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of . . . Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome. . . .{5}

5. Tacitus, Annals 15.44, cited in Strobel, The Case for Christ, 82.

On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald . . . cried, “He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy.”{21}

21. The Babylonian Talmud, transl. by I. Epstein (London: Soncino, 1935), vol. III, Sanhedrin 43a, 281, cited in Habermas, The Historical Jesus, 203.


Not so imaginary since secular history records the existence and facts nealry identical to the bible.

So by your failure to recognise facts you admit you lack the historical/theological knowldge to argue the matter, is that it?

Show us. Prove how the secular history accommodates the biblical record.

I will stipulate for example that the secular story of Moses did exist, except that he was not Moses. He was and remained an Egyptian. Did nothing whatever in the desert like any of the getting a message from god or miracles we are to believe there.

In fact the parallels are extremely few and actually point to the bible as being hogwash.

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Now you just have to find imaginary people to fit your straw man.

Nero fastened the guilt . . . on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of . . . Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome. . . .{5}

5. Tacitus, Annals 15.44, cited in Strobel, The Case for Christ, 82.

On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald . . . cried, “He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy.”{21}

21. The Babylonian Talmud, transl. by I. Epstein (London: Soncino, 1935), vol. III, Sanhedrin 43a, 281, cited in Habermas, The Historical Jesus, 203.


Not so imaginary since secular history records the existence and facts nealry identical to the bible.

So by your failure to recognise facts you admit you lack the historical/theological knowldge to argue the matter, is that it?

Show us. Prove how the secular history accommodates the biblical record.

I will stipulate for example that the secular story of Moses did exist, except that he was not Moses. He was and remained an Egyptian. Did nothing whatever in the desert like any of the getting a message from god or miracles we are to believe there.

In fact the parallels are extremely few and actually point to the bible as being hogwash.

Bear in mind that you're talking to somebody who refuses to accept that more civilians were gassed in the camps than died in the bombing of Dresden, who thinks 11/9 was an inside job, and spent most Obama's second term braying and hooting that FEMA-run concentration camps were being set up to dispose of libertarians and other free thinkers.
Hogwash is where he starts his arguments from, and then he gets whacky...

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Now you just have to find imaginary people to fit your straw man.

Nero fastened the guilt . . . on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of . . . Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome. . . .{5}

5. Tacitus, Annals 15.44, cited in Strobel, The Case for Christ, 82.

On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald . . . cried, “He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy.”{21}

21. The Babylonian Talmud, transl. by I. Epstein (London: Soncino, 1935), vol. III, Sanhedrin 43a, 281, cited in Habermas, The Historical Jesus, 203.


Not so imaginary since secular history records the existence and facts nealry identical to the bible.

So by your failure to recognise facts you admit you lack the historical/theological knowldge to argue the matter, is that it?

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Writer's block.

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Now you just have to find imaginary people to fit your straw man.

Nero fastened the guilt . . . on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of . . . Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome. . . .{5}

5. Tacitus, Annals 15.44, cited in Strobel, The Case for Christ, 82.

On the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald . . . cried, “He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy.”{21}

21. The Babylonian Talmud, transl. by I. Epstein (London: Soncino, 1935), vol. III, Sanhedrin 43a, 281, cited in Habermas, The Historical Jesus, 203.


Not so imaginary since secular history records the existence and facts nealry identical to the bible.

So by your failure to recognise facts you admit you lack the historical/theological knowldge to argue the matter, is that it?

I'll go one step further. A very long term scholarly study found that over decades before and after the period of Christ, 124 known and 'published' s e c u l a r writers from all over the middle-east and Med., failed to write a single word about a man called Jesus Christ.

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RO, I wish you'd give up with this stuff.

I fully understand the atheist position,



even their false science god is letting them down and has turned against them, as newberg is proving with spect imagaing. sux to be an atheist now days.

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But I think most of us atheists are atheists not because we put energy into opposing religion, but because we put *no energy at all* into (or against) a thing that is *irrelevant* to us.

I say 'projection' because I've long suspected that religionists presume that we atheists are the flip side of the same coin: that is, that it takes psychic energy to be religious, therefore it just must take psychic energy to oppose religion. It doesn't, RO. For most of us non-religious sorts, all that's happened is that, at some time in our lives, all the psychic energy we put into being religious (assuming we were religious in the first place) just went 'pop' - and was gone. Just gone, that's all.

You're arguing with people here, it seems, who aren't interested in arguing because they - we - see nothing worth arguing about. This is just a 'nothing-topic'. It's a waste of energy.