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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/13/2017 7:43:41 AM   
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Hmmm... do you think there may be a good portion that just don't want their heritage destroyed... Right or wrong these statues represent their ancestors. They understand it was a different time with different social norms. You or I born into that society would have been just as prejudiced by today's standards... We would not have known any better. These people may very well not even be prejudiced or care about white majority rule. My family came to Missouri from S Carolina and the majority of my male ancestors fought for the south...and many did not own slaves... I can see being upset if my heritage was being destroyed.

Thompson made some cogent responses to your comments, Butch, but let me add that your sentiments about retaining the heritage of the traitorous South has become a well worn cliche. I have read it often. Southern traitors quickly lost the war in 1865, a terrible, bloody, deadly war, but they very quickly regained political control and by one means or another kept Blacks subjugated. Slavery by other names. People here suggest that I am too focused on the plight of the Black race in America. My retort is that the battle over race supremacy has not abated. The war continues to this day and while yesterday's event demonstrated the festering wound in our nation, we are making slow progress in healing this terrible blemish. We pay lip service in our formal documents to Liberty and Equality but they are a sham when we look under the hoods.

After the war, a myth was created about the contented and peaceful life on the plantations and in the towns of the ante bellum southland. That myth morphed into the so-called heritage that is so precious to you. It is, however, a fucking lie, an atrocious fantasy, leaving you to defend a hollow heritage. Your real heritage is the evil treatment of blacks who your ancestors considered to be subhuman. That is the heritage that brings White Nationalists and Neo-Nazis to march today in our cities. It is the myth that white people are superior humans over all others. White menchen uber alles.

I doubt you believe that, Butch.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/13/2017 7:52:14 AM   
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the videos I saw it was the antiracist protestors attacking the guys with the torches first.

Never mind that the symbol of the torches dates back in rather recent history to the burning a cross on a black man's front lawn and to his subsequent lynching. Torches of terror. Oh fuck, that's old history shit.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/13/2017 7:54:17 AM   
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CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. — A planned protest in Virginia by white nationalists was abandoned on Saturday after a spate of violence prompted the governor to declare a state of emergency and law enforcement officers to clear the area.

The demonstration, which both organizers and critics had said was the largest gathering of white nationalists in recent years, turned violent almost immediately and left several people injured.

The turmoil began with a march Friday night and escalated Saturday morning as hundreds of white nationalists gathered. Waving Confederate flags, chanting Nazi-era slogans, wearing helmets and carrying shields, they converged on a statue of Robert E. Lee in the city’s Emancipation Park and began chanting phrases like “You will not replace us,” and “Jew will not replace us.”

Hundreds of counterprotesters quickly surrounded the crowd, chanting and carrying their own signs.

By 11 a.m., the scene had exploded into taunting, shoving and outright brawling. Barricades encircling the park and separating the two sides began to come down, and police temporarily retreated. People were seen clubbing one another in the streets, and pepper spray filled the air.

Police cleared the area before noon, and the Virginia National Guard arrived as officers began arresting some who remained for unlawful assembly. But fears lingered that the altercation would start again nearby, even as politicians, including Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe, a Democrat, and House Speaker Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, a Republican, condemned the violence.

A couple hours later, a car plowed into a crowd of counterprotesters, and city officials said there were multiple injuries after a three-car crash.

Emergency medical personnel treated eight people after the earlier clashes, the Charlottesville Police Department said. It was not immediately clear how severely they were hurt. Several area hospitals did not return telephone calls seeking information.

The fight was the latest in a series of tense dramas unfolding across the United States over plans to remove statues and other historic markers of the Confederacy. The battles have been intensified by the election of President Trump, who enjoys fervent support from white nationalists.

The president commented on the violence Saturday afternoon, tweeting, “We ALL must be united & condemn all that hate stands for. There is no place for this kind of violence in America. Lets come together as one!”

The protest, billed as a “Unite the Right” rally, was the culmination of a year and a half of debate in Charlottesville over the fate of the Lee statue. A movement to remove it began when an African-American high school student here started a petition. The City Council voted 3 to 2 in April to sell it, but a judge issued an injunction temporarily stopping the move.

The city had been bracing for a sea of alt-right demonstrators, and on Friday night, hundreds of them, carrying lit torches, marched on the picturesque grounds of the University of Virginia, founded in 1819 by Thomas Jefferson. The group included prominent white nationalist figures like Richard Spencer and David Duke, a former imperial wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.

“We’re going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump” to “take our country back,” Mr. Duke told reporters Saturday. Many of the white nationalist protesters carried campaign signs for Mr. Trump.

University officials said one person was arrested and charged Friday night with assault and disorderly conduct, and several others were injured. Among those hurt was a university police officer injured while making the arrest, the school said in a statement.

Theresa A. Sullivan, the president of the university, strongly condemned the Friday demonstration in a statement, calling it “disturbing and unacceptable.”

Still, officials allowed the Saturday protest to go on — until the injuries began piling up.

The city of Charlottesville declared a state of emergency at around 11 a.m., citing an “imminent threat of civil disturbance, unrest, potential injury to persons, and destruction of public and personal property.”

Governor McAuliffe followed with his own declaration an hour later.

“It is now clear that public safety cannot be safeguarded without additional powers, and that the mostly-out-of-state protesters have come to Virginia to endanger our citizens and property,” Governor McAuliffe said in a statement. “I am disgusted by the hatred, bigotry and violence these protesters have brought to our state over the past 24 hours.”

The Republican candidate for governor in Virginia, Ed Gillespie, issued his own statement denouncing the protests as “vile hate” that has “no place in our Commonwealth.”

Mr. Ryan agreed. “The views fueling the spectacle in Charlottesville are repugnant,” he said on Twitter. “Let it only serve to unite Americans against this kind of vile bigotry.”

More (including videos): https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/12/us/charlottesville-protest-white-nationalist.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news


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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/13/2017 7:56:42 AM   
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Will this be the disgruntled dems' fault, then?

It is both groups fault.
The white nationalist shouldn't have the demonstration.
The leftists should stay away.

God damn, Bama! I think you have it, the solution to all our racial strife.

If only the Union soldiers had stayed away there would not have been a Civil War. Just fucking brilliant! Why didn't Lincoln think of that? Sheeesch!!!!

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/13/2017 8:00:32 AM   
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Sort of a gang pay back sort of thing.


Gang payback...is the klan still pissed about abolishing slavery?

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/13/2017 8:05:18 AM   
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There's also the fact that Robert E Lee's something of a special case down south as he's widely regarded as the best cavalry commander to have fought on either side during the civil war.

Lee was not a cavalry commander he was the commander of the army of nortnern virginia. The best cavalry commander of the war was nathan bedford forest.


He'd already had a long and distinguished military career by the time that started, hadn't he?

He also had a long and distinguished career as a slaver and his diary shows that he was not shy about swinging the whip himself when he thought an overseer was not being harsh enough.


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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/13/2017 8:05:48 AM   
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Sort of a gang pay back sort of thing.


Gang payback...is the klan still pissed about abolishing slavery?


Probably, but I'd bet it's more strongly related to current efforts by groups like BLM and antifa. I'd say they are making a point that if those groups can behave badly they have the same ability to do so.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/13/2017 8:06:37 AM   
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Torches are no different than candles in an after-dark parade, a hallmark of peaceful nighttime protests, as long as they are only used for light.
If you look at the numbers, the extreme rightists are almost always outnumbered 10 to 1 or more in such cases.Hardly able to surround and intimidate.

How fucking ignorant! Today they are outnumbered 10-1. In the 19th Century and even up to Woodrow Wilson's administration they were hardly a tiny minority. The KKK marching in Washington, 1925. . .

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/13/2017 8:09:09 AM   
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Sort of a gang pay back sort of thing.


Gang payback...is the klan still pissed about abolishing slavery?


Probably, but I'd bet it's more strongly related to current efforts by groups like BLM and antifa. I'd say they are making a point that if those groups can behave badly they have the same ability to do so.


So now the kkk and the Nazis are going to start killing cops?

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/13/2017 8:09:28 AM   
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Just saw a video on the news of the Friday night event. No sheets or hoods in evidence.
The torch carriers were vastly outnumbered and were the ones being shoved and jostled.
No torches were used as clubs or weapons, not even defensively, they were simply held aloft, quite safely.



Yeah right, cus if you carry them past a black man's house today, like you did back in the good ol days, your ass would be full of buckshot!


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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/13/2017 8:09:34 AM   
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Torches are no different than candles in an after-dark parade, a hallmark of peaceful nighttime protests, as long as they are only used for light.
If you look at the numbers, the extreme rightists are almost always outnumbered 10 to 1 or more in such cases.Hardly able to surround and intimidate.

How fucking ignorant! Today they are outnumbered 10-1. In the 19th Century and even up to Woodrow Wilson's administration they were hardly a tiny minority. The KKK marching in Washington, 1925. . .

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1925 was nearly 100 years ago VMl.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/13/2017 8:11:37 AM   
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Just saw a video on the news of the Friday night event. No sheets or hoods in evidence.
The torch carriers were vastly outnumbered and were the ones being shoved and jostled.
No torches were used as clubs or weapons, not even defensively, they were simply held aloft, quite safely.



Yeah right, cus if you carry them past a black man's house today, like you did back in the good ol days, your ass would be full of buckshot!


Wouldn't blame the buckshot shooters one bit. Which then begs the question if antifa and some of the black race baiters don't also deserve buckshot as well?

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/13/2017 8:16:02 AM   
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3 dead 34 injured. I followed the story all day and night. It was sickening. But what exactly did they think was going to happen with a bunch of white alt right supremacist.
Some were armed in flak gear and many were openly carrying their bear arms, uzis, tommy guns etc, and whips, and various other weaponry.

How Charlottesville became a flashpoint you will actually see Americans whip each other.

This is Trump core base and I saw no real condemnation from him, even after things escalated what a pathetic excuse for a huwman being. And the First lady went on the twitter hmmm – stop the video immediately after that bit at 1 minute 2 seconds if you do not wish to see the car bit.

Well you kinda surprised me with your first reply boscox and I hope you said that before the car incident.

I know Americans shoot each other. I was fairly surprised someone didn’t open up as basically with mob mentality you just need that one nutter. But at least I now know you will actually whip each other live on the telly, and the orange fuk will stop short of crucifying his core base.




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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/13/2017 8:23:56 AM   
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Which then begs the question if antifa and some of the black race baiters don't also deserve buckshot as well?


Would that be before or after 300 years of white slavery to blacks?
Would that be before or after a hundred years of jim crow for white people?



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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/13/2017 8:26:09 AM   
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1925 was nearly 100 years ago VMl.


The incident with the klan was last night. Wow a hundred years and not much has changed except the robes are polyester wash and wear and not the old fashioned kind that you have to iron.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/13/2017 8:39:52 AM   
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Vince I am sorry but I don't waste my time reading Tom so his comments are not relevant but yours are...I always appreciate your viewpoint although we often disagree.

There is no doubt in my mind that there are many racists in this matter....please don't think i am defending them. I also have no doubt that there are many non-racists that are just as I said...defending their heritage... there is a difference.

We have work to do as a society when it comes to our racial attitudes and I am not denying this. But you should stop grouping all people together because of the actions of a few. I hear this all the time when it comes to Muslims and agree but this logic should also be applied to this situation.

Many people, myself included, think our ancestral heritage is important... it is a link to the past for good or bad... They are a part of me... their genes course through my body... I care little about your attitude towards them. I happen to believe people fighting in the Civil war for the CSA should be forgiven their sins. They were victims of their upbringing in their attitudes towards blacks... Today however there is no excuse and we should all be appalled at the racists attitudes displayed. There is only one moral side and it is certainly not with the white racists in Charlottsville.

My personal opinion is no statue or monument glorifying the CSA should be on Public property. Here in St. Louis a monument to the CSA was on display in our public park. The decision, and a wise one, was to have the monument removed and given to a history society for display. This is as it should be handled.

I just wanted to point out that not all those protesting the monument removal are racists and I attempted to explain what i thought their reasoning may be... I am not saying they are even right to protest, but it is their right, but they should be separated from the obvious racists that you are describing and we are seeing.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/13/2017 8:44:11 AM   
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Sort of a gang pay back sort of thing.


Gang payback...is the klan still pissed about abolishing slavery?


Probably, but I'd bet it's more strongly related to current efforts by groups like BLM and antifa. I'd say they are making a point that if those groups can behave badly they have the same ability to do so.


So now the kkk and the Nazis are going to start killing cops?


Would it surprise you? If they decide to adopt the same rhetoric as antifa And BLM how would that not be a natural progression?

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/13/2017 8:46:15 AM   
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1925 was nearly 100 years ago VMl.


The incident with the klan was last night. Wow a hundred years and not much has changed except the robes are polyester wash and wear and not the old fashioned kind that you have to iron.


The incident that VML was referencing was in 1925. my reference was to his incident.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/13/2017 8:48:20 AM   
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do you mean nastis, white supremacists and bigoted pigs are learning this from BLM or "antifa"?

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/13/2017 8:50:14 AM   
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1925 was nearly 100 years ago VMl.


The incident with the klan was last night. Wow a hundred years and not much has changed except the robes are polyester wash and wear and not the old fashioned kind that you have to iron.


The incident that VML was referencing was in 1925. my reference was to his incident.


My reference was to the fact that not much has changed. bigots are still trying to force heir shit on society.

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