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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/25/2017 11:47:24 AM   
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Ah. The Fantasy Land solution.
The one that originally created the problem. Good idea.
Fool.
You done with the childish crap now?
Yeah, I suppose that's just rhetorical.


Do you think Government involvement has anything to do with the increased rate at which health care costs and health care spending have increased?


The government is FAR more involved in other countries, but rates in the US are much higher and climb far faster. So "it's government involvement" doesn't seem the cause.

What DOES help is that we have awesome medicine. But it's expensive, and in the US, we practice heroic medicine, largely because we're quick to sue.

I asked an orthopedic surgeon, an acquaintance (so a good natured question), why my broken clavicle cost ten times what it would cost in a labrador retriever who got essentially the same care. His answer: because in the history of veterinary medicine, no retriever has sued for malpractice.

I've long said we should socialize the legal profession rather than the health profession.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/25/2017 12:00:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Ah. The Fantasy Land solution.
The one that originally created the problem. Good idea.
Fool.
You done with the childish crap now?
Yeah, I suppose that's just rhetorical.

Do you think Government involvement has anything to do with the increased rate at which health care costs and health care spending have increased?

The government is FAR more involved in other countries, but rates in the US are much higher and climb far faster. So "it's government involvement" doesn't seem the cause.
What DOES help is that we have awesome medicine. But it's expensive, and in the US, we practice heroic medicine, largely because we're quick to sue.
I asked an orthopedic surgeon, an acquaintance (so a good natured question), why my broken clavicle cost ten times what it would cost in a labrador retriever who got essentially the same care. His answer: because in the history of veterinary medicine, no retriever has sued for malpractice.


I'll re-ask for clarification: Do you think Government involvement has anything to do with the increased rate at which health care costs and health care spending have increased in the US?

I don't care, right now, about other countries. They matter not in this discussion, or at least at this point in this discussion.


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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/25/2017 12:44:27 PM   
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That's like asking if government involvement has anything to do with the increased rate at which wooden tires cost in the US.

I don't care, right now, about the rubber tires in other countries. Rubber tires are not a point of discussion at this point in the discussion.

I demand answer, thusly limited.


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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/25/2017 12:49:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Ah. The Fantasy Land solution.
The one that originally created the problem. Good idea.
Fool.
You done with the childish crap now?
Yeah, I suppose that's just rhetorical.

Do you think Government involvement has anything to do with the increased rate at which health care costs and health care spending have increased?

The government is FAR more involved in other countries, but rates in the US are much higher and climb far faster. So "it's government involvement" doesn't seem the cause.
What DOES help is that we have awesome medicine. But it's expensive, and in the US, we practice heroic medicine, largely because we're quick to sue.
I asked an orthopedic surgeon, an acquaintance (so a good natured question), why my broken clavicle cost ten times what it would cost in a labrador retriever who got essentially the same care. His answer: because in the history of veterinary medicine, no retriever has sued for malpractice.


I'll re-ask for clarification: Do you think Government involvement has anything to do with the increased rate at which health care costs and health care spending have increased in the US?

I don't care, right now, about other countries. They matter not in this discussion, or at least at this point in this discussion.


And I'll repeat that clearly it's not a major factor, given the evidence presented that you decided not to care about.

Medicaid does not pay anything close to top dollar / market rates.

Beyond that, the government has nearly nil to do with health care rates. The ACA is about health care insurance.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/25/2017 2:06:49 PM   
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http://www.snopes.com/health-insurance-under-the-affordable-care-act-costs-hundreds-or-thousands-per-month/

Health care costs continue to rise -- health insurance costs, ACA or no, will rise as well.

So, do a lot of white supremacists have trouble with their health expenses?


Stop it!

(That was just ridiculous).

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/25/2017 2:09:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Ah. The Fantasy Land solution.
The one that originally created the problem. Good idea.
Fool.
You done with the childish crap now?
Yeah, I suppose that's just rhetorical.


Do you think Government involvement has anything to do with the increased rate at which health care costs and health care spending have increased?


The government is FAR more involved in other countries, but rates in the US are much higher and climb far faster. So "it's government involvement" doesn't seem the cause.

What DOES help is that we have awesome medicine. But it's expensive, and in the US, we practice heroic medicine, largely because we're quick to sue.

I asked an orthopedic surgeon, an acquaintance (so a good natured question), why my broken clavicle cost ten times what it would cost in a labrador retriever who got essentially the same care. His answer: because in the history of veterinary medicine, no retriever has sued for malpractice.


BINGO!!!

Therein lies the cost issues that escape EVERY other country.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/25/2017 2:10:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Ah. The Fantasy Land solution.
The one that originally created the problem. Good idea.
Fool.
You done with the childish crap now?
Yeah, I suppose that's just rhetorical.

Do you think Government involvement has anything to do with the increased rate at which health care costs and health care spending have increased?

The government is FAR more involved in other countries, but rates in the US are much higher and climb far faster. So "it's government involvement" doesn't seem the cause.
What DOES help is that we have awesome medicine. But it's expensive, and in the US, we practice heroic medicine, largely because we're quick to sue.
I asked an orthopedic surgeon, an acquaintance (so a good natured question), why my broken clavicle cost ten times what it would cost in a labrador retriever who got essentially the same care. His answer: because in the history of veterinary medicine, no retriever has sued for malpractice.


I'll re-ask for clarification: Do you think Government involvement has anything to do with the increased rate at which health care costs and health care spending have increased in the US?

I don't care, right now, about other countries. They matter not in this discussion, or at least at this point in this discussion.



(Ahhhh...but they do).

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/25/2017 2:13:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Ah. The Fantasy Land solution.
The one that originally created the problem. Good idea.
Fool.
You done with the childish crap now?
Yeah, I suppose that's just rhetorical.

Do you think Government involvement has anything to do with the increased rate at which health care costs and health care spending have increased?

The government is FAR more involved in other countries, but rates in the US are much higher and climb far faster. So "it's government involvement" doesn't seem the cause.
What DOES help is that we have awesome medicine. But it's expensive, and in the US, we practice heroic medicine, largely because we're quick to sue.
I asked an orthopedic surgeon, an acquaintance (so a good natured question), why my broken clavicle cost ten times what it would cost in a labrador retriever who got essentially the same care. His answer: because in the history of veterinary medicine, no retriever has sued for malpractice.


I'll re-ask for clarification: Do you think Government involvement has anything to do with the increased rate at which health care costs and health care spending have increased in the US?

I don't care, right now, about other countries. They matter not in this discussion, or at least at this point in this discussion.


And I'll repeat that clearly it's not a major factor, given the evidence presented that you decided not to care about.

Medicaid does not pay anything close to top dollar / market rates.

Beyond that, the government has nearly nil to do with health care rates. The ACA is about health care insurance.


And yet...they could pay still, substantially less.

(Like other countries).

Just for clarity...the ACA (exactly like the current proposed) is not at ALL about health care insurance. (It never was).

(It's about profits...and...profits are required in any national program....which, for the record...makes absolutely no difference whether you're selling health care, tires...or ice cream cones).

The question is, then, simply: "How much is "appropriate""?

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By the way....think about it...like SSI, what did the ACA do?

It ain't rocket science peeps....it created a new budget item.

(I'm not going to do the math here...it should be fairly obvious...and it's the same gig in the currently proposed gig).

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Guys...Democrats aren't Saints....and Republicans AREN'T the Devil.

(THINK!!!!).

(The solutions are remarkably easy....and they are solutions that, without input from taxpayers....will go wanting).



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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/25/2017 2:15:37 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Ah. The Fantasy Land solution.
The one that originally created the problem. Good idea.
Fool.
You done with the childish crap now?
Yeah, I suppose that's just rhetorical.

Do you think Government involvement has anything to do with the increased rate at which health care costs and health care spending have increased?

The government is FAR more involved in other countries, but rates in the US are much higher and climb far faster. So "it's government involvement" doesn't seem the cause.
What DOES help is that we have awesome medicine. But it's expensive, and in the US, we practice heroic medicine, largely because we're quick to sue.
I asked an orthopedic surgeon, an acquaintance (so a good natured question), why my broken clavicle cost ten times what it would cost in a labrador retriever who got essentially the same care. His answer: because in the history of veterinary medicine, no retriever has sued for malpractice.


I'll re-ask for clarification: Do you think Government involvement has anything to do with the increased rate at which health care costs and health care spending have increased in the US?

I don't care, right now, about other countries. They matter not in this discussion, or at least at this point in this discussion.



Oh course it did. all the insurance companies did is exercise their free market rights and raised prices to get rid of the intervention that was Obamacare, and that money went to upper management. Doctors & nurses didn't get more, but stockholders did, in fact nurses got cuts to their healthcare plans instead even when they went on strike to keep what they had.

but wait!! somebody got some good out of it all.....and it wasn't u.

http://www.fiercehealthcare.com/payer/health-insurance-ceo-pay-tops-out-at-22m-2016

One CEO almost doubled his income.... Humana's CEO pay went from $10.4m to $19.7m .....and whats next??

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/319538-humana-to-drop-out-of-obamacare-marketplace-at-end-of-2017 ........Humana's dropping out due to the "market not stabilized enough"

this IS why the "free Market" cannot and will not EVER "fix" itself.

I highly doubt these overpaid execs are going to roll back their pay once the AHCA is somehow gone.......and they get the juicy tax cuts rumps promised.

and u will still pay the premiums for less coverage and choices. and in the spirit of the OP......what race are they mostly? ...hmmmm.





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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/25/2017 2:24:16 PM   
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Ah. The Fantasy Land solution.

The one that originally created the problem. Good idea.

Fool.

You done with the childish crap now?

Yeah, I suppose that's just rhetorical.


of course, since its "childish crap"---it should be very easy for you to explain how the private sector, the free market and competition overwhelmingly throughout history have lowered costs, increased access and quality and somehow, magically, the healthcare industry is somehow immune to those same principles??

and nay---not even just immune to the basic principles that work with EVERYTHING ELSE, but actually, according to you, runs in the opposite direction of them!

that aside, do you even have any idea how government and other institutional/bureaucratic involvement drives up the cost?


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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/25/2017 2:59:18 PM   
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Just for clarity...the ACA (exactly like the current proposed) is not at ALL about health care insurance. (It never was).

(It's about profits. ...

Absolutely

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/25/2017 3:01:01 PM   
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explain how the private sector, the free market and competition overwhelmingly throughout history have lowered costs

They have not, just the opposite in fact.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/25/2017 3:33:55 PM   
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explain how the private sector, the free market and competition overwhelmingly throughout history have lowered costs

They have not, just the opposite in fact.

They don't have particularly good form for preventing monopolies, either. Was it the 1890s the first antitrust laws came in ?

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/25/2017 3:56:02 PM   
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That as well.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/25/2017 4:02:06 PM   
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some "fool" and the mises institute spouting "childish crap"

"To Lower Health Care Costs, Try Freedom"

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As Congress debates the American Health Care Act, its members should remember the benefits in cost and quality generated by the free market. What Americans need is not another complicated insurance scheme, but a return to health care that patients pay for themselves.

For the past several decades, government intervention has pushed Americans to pay for more of their medical expenses with insurance. The result is that medical costs rose 118 percent from 1992 to 2012.

Costs rise under an insurance system because patients have no incentive to price-shop. As Nobel laureate Vernon Smith explains, in our current system, party A (the service provider) tells party B (the customer) what they should buy. Party C (either the government or an insurance company) then pays for it.

This deprives patients of the incentive to price-compare, because they’re not directly paying for the services that party A recommends. But when consumers are encouraged to factor in cost, prices fall.

In fact, this is exactly what has happened in areas of healthcare not dominated by insurance.

LASIK is an elective procedure that’s not covered by insurance; and over the past two decades, quality has risen as prices have fallen. In 1997, a precursor to LASIK surgery that involved the surgeon wielding a knife cost $8,000. In 2012, a safer laser-guided surgery cost only about $3,800. Prices halved in 15 years even as quality rose.

[whaaaaat? normal economic principles at work when people are left to their own devices?? say it isn't so comrade!]

Cosmetic surgery is similarly not often covered by insurance. From 1992 to 2012, cosmetic surgery costs rose only 30 percent. Adjusted for inflation, costs actually fell.

[whaaaaat? normal economic principles at work when people are left to their own devices?? say it isn't so comrade!]

Even traditional surgery is less expensive when patients bypass insurance. In the Wall Street Journal, Jeffrey Singer tells the story of a patient who decreased his out-of-pocket surgical costs from $20,000 to $3,000 by negotiating price with the hospital on his own instead of relying on insurance.

[whaaaaat? normal economic principles at work when people are left to their own devices?? say it isn't so comrade!]

Putting patients in charge of their own healthcare encourages them to be price-conscious. When this happens, service providers have an incentive to compete on price, and competition produces downward price pressure…

[whaaaaat? normal economic principles at work when people are left to their own devices?? say it isn't so comrade!]

The United States health care system is one of the most regulated sectors of the economy, and was so even before Obamacare. This has, predictably, driven up costs. Instead of another complicated insurance scheme, let’s give freedom a try.


https://mises.org/blog/lower-health-care-costs-try-freedom

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/25/2017 4:32:51 PM   
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some other "fool" at mises spouting "childish crap"

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How Government Regulations Made Healthcare So Expensive

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it," declared philosopher George Santayana.

The U.S. “health care cost crisis” didn’t start until 1965. The government increased demand with the passage of Medicare and Medicaid while restricting the supply of doctors and hospitals. Health care prices responded at twice the rate of inflation (Figure 1). Now, the U.S. is repeating the same mistakes with the unveiling of Obamacare (a.k.a. “Medicare and Medicaid for the middle class”).

Nobel Prize-winning economist Milton Friedman wrote that medical price inflation since 1965 has been caused by the rising demand for health-care coupled with restricted supply (Friedman 1992). Robert Alford explained the minority view: "The market reformers wish to preserve the control of the individual physician over his practice, over the hospital, and over his fees, and they simply wish to open up the medical schools in order to meet the demand for doctors, to give patients more choice among doctors, clinics, and hospitals, and to make that choice a real one by public subsidies for medical bills" (Alford 1975)…

Since the early 1900s, medical special interests have been lobbying politicians to reduce competition. By the 1980s, the U.S. was restricting the supply of physicians, hospitals, insurance and pharmaceuticals, while subsidizing demand. Since then, the U.S. has been trying to control high costs by moving toward something perhaps best described by the House Budget Committee: “In too many areas of the economy — especially energy, housing, finance, and health care — free enterprise has given way to government control in “partnership” with a few large or politically well-connected companies” (Ryan 2012). The following are past major laws and other policies implemented by the Federal and state governments that have interfered with the health care marketplace (HHS 2013)

•In 1910, the physician oligopoly was started during the Republican administration of William Taft after the American Medical Association lobbied the states to strengthen the regulation of medical licensure and allow their state AMA offices to oversee the closure or merger of nearly half of medical schools and also the reduction of class sizes. The states have been subsidizing the education of the number of doctors recommended by the AMA.

•In 1925, prescription drug monopolies begun after the federal government led by Republican President Calvin Coolidge started allowing the patenting of drugs. (Drug monopolies have also been promoted by government research and development subsidies targeted to favored pharmaceutical companies.)

•In 1945, buyer monopolization begun after the McCarran-Ferguson Act led by the Roosevelt Administration exempted the business of medical insurance from most federal regulation, including antitrust laws. (States have also more recently contributed to the monopolization by requiring health care plans to meet standards for coverage.)

•In 1946, institutional provider monopolization begun after favored hospitals received federal subsidies (matching grants and loans) provided under the Hospital Survey and Construction Act passed during the Truman Administration. (States have also been exempting non-profit hospitals from antitrust laws.)

•In 1951, employers started to become the dominant third-party insurance buyer during the Truman Administration after the Internal Revenue Service declared group premiums tax-deductible.

•In 1965, nationalization was started with a government buyer monopoly after the Johnson Administration led passage of Medicare and Medicaid which provided health insurance for the elderly and poor, respectively.

•In 1972, institutional provider monopolization was strengthened after the Nixon Administration started restricting the supply of hospitals by requiring federal certificate-of-need for the construction of medical facilities.

•In 1974, buyer monopolization was strengthened during the Nixon Administration after the Employee Retirement Income Security Act exempted employee health benefit plans offered by large employers (e.g., HMOs) from state regulations and lawsuits (e.g., brought by people denied coverage).

•In 1984, prescription drug monopolies were strengthened during the Reagan Administration after the Drug Price Competition and Patent Term Restoration Act permitted the extension of patents beyond 20 years. (The government has also allowed pharmaceuticals companies to bribe physicians to prescribe more expensive drugs.)

•In 2003, prescription drug monopolies were strengthened during the Bush Administration after the Medicare Prescription Drug, Improvement, and Modernization Act provided subsidies to the elderly for drugs.

•In 2014, nationalization will be strengthened after the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act of 2010 (“Obamacare”) provided mandates, subsidies and insurance exchanges, and the expansion of Medicaid…

The search for alternative economic systems should include free markets through a closer reexamination of the health care marketplace before 1980 to 1990 to determine whether prices offered by physicians and hospitals were ever set by the laws of supply and demand.

Economist Henry Hazlitt provides the following description:

Prices are fixed through the relationship of supply and demand. ... When people want more of an article, they offer more for it. The price goes up. This increases the profits of those who make the article. Because it is now more profitable to make that article than others, the people already in the business expand their production of it, and more people are attracted to the business. This increased supply then reduces the price…

Since 1965, medical prices have exploded with physician fees (Figure 6). From 1965 through 1993, the price for medical care increased by 699% and physician fees 675% compared to only 359% for all goods and services measured in the Consumer Price Index. Today, medical prices and physician fees continue to grow at about twice the rate of inflation. Hospital prices have increased at almost four times. U.S. health-care spending has increased from 6% of the Gross Domestic Product in 1965 to 18% ($3 trillion) today…

The lack of competition between hospitals and other health care institutions also limited cost control incentives placed on executives. The lack of competition between both medical institutions and the doctors that control most of their spending could explain why hospital costs have been inflating twice as fast as even physician fees. Hospitals are loaded with waste and inefficiency. For example, a hospital stitch costs more than $500 today.

The U.S. health-care market appears to behave according to laws of supply and demand (at least until the 1980s). Assuming government subsidy of the elderly and poor serves the public good, the cause of the “U.S. health care cost crisis” appears to be that government didn’t allow the supply of doctors and hospitals to respond to increased consumer demands. Politicians from both major political parties created a self-fulfilling prophesy by assuming markets couldn’t work in health care.

The obvious solution is to increase the supply of physicians and hospitals to meet demand. Unfortunately, if medical schools doubled their class sizes by next year, it could still take over 20 years to achieve the number of doctors relative to population found in continental Western Europe. Competition could be achieved quicker by relaxing the licensing requirements placed on para-medicals (e.g., nurses), and possibly also foreign educated doctors, to compete with U.S. physicians to the degree to which they are qualified.


heavily edited---tons more at the site:

https://mises.org/blog/how-government-regulations-made-healthcare-so-expensive

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this time from the "fools" at heritage:

childish crap

more childish crap

even more childish crap

still more childish crap

last bit of childish crap

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/25/2017 4:39:39 PM   
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this time from the "fools" at heritage:

childish crap

more childish crap

even more childish crap

still more childish crap

last bit of childish crap

Thank you for posting them as just the links.

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now for the "fools" at cato:

this fool

that fool

and one more fool

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/25/2017 4:40:16 PM   
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Ah. The Fantasy Land solution.

The one that originally created the problem. Good idea.

Fool.

You done with the childish crap now?

Yeah, I suppose that's just rhetorical.


of course, since its "childish crap"---it should be very easy for you to explain how the private sector, the free market and competition overwhelmingly throughout history have lowered costs, increased access and quality and somehow, magically, the healthcare industry is somehow immune to those same principles??

and nay---not even just immune to the basic principles that work with EVERYTHING ELSE, but actually, according to you, runs in the opposite direction of them!

that aside, do you even have any idea how government and other institutional/bureaucratic involvement drives up the cost?




prove before Obamacare that the free market wasn't bankrupting families while upper management and stockholders got bigger paychecks every year.

prove that after AHCA repeal that the "free market" is going to roll back profits to just benefit the nation....when they can pad their own pockets.

prove that ER healthcare for poor people wasn't costing u higher rates because hospitals weren't getting paid ANYTHING for their care.

prove that's going to get better when 20+ million more people will not have means to pay off their healthcare bills without insurance help.

My previous post showed how CEO's are making millions more money while whining about the market being "destabilized"

......yea, free market.....






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