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RE: Okay, if statues of southern gererals are promoting... - 8/22/2017 10:59:51 AM

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By doing this you deprive both of freedom of speech because they disrupt each others speeches.

Wrong. The government has no right to prevent private citizens from disrupting or interfering with you exercising your right to free speech. Read the fucking Constitution rather than making up airy-fairy bullshit to excuse the trampling of your rights by all levels of government.

The government not only has the right but the duty to protect people exercising their freedom of speech
Have you never heard of insure to domestic tranquility?

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RE: Okay, if statues of southern gererals are promoting... - 8/22/2017 11:01:45 AM

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Statues are an important part of history down south.

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RE: Okay, if statues of southern gererals are promoting... - 8/22/2017 11:13:39 AM

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Statues are an important part of history down south.

Try taking down Ben Franklins in PA.

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RE: Okay, if statues of southern gererals are promoting... - 8/22/2017 11:21:08 AM

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Massachusetts already said that we won't be taking down any here. Including confederate ones.

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RE: Okay, if statues of southern gererals are promoting... - 8/22/2017 11:23:39 AM

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Statues are an important part of history down south.

Try taking down Ben Franklins in PA.

Were you demanding to keep this statue erected in a public place?

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RE: Okay, if statues of southern gererals are promoting... - 8/22/2017 11:25:24 AM

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Massachusetts already said that we won't be taking down any here. Including confederate ones.

Good, I was going to use the Adams family as an example but I was afraid some people would think
I meant Gomez.

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RE: Okay, if statues of southern gererals are promoting... - 8/22/2017 11:29:08 AM

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By doing this you deprive both of freedom of speech because they disrupt each others speeches.

Wrong. The government has no right to prevent private citizens from disrupting or interfering with you exercising your right to free speech. Read the fucking Constitution rather than making up airy-fairy bullshit to excuse the trampling of your rights by all levels of government.

The government not only has the right but the duty to protect people exercising their freedom of speech
Have you never heard of insure to domestic tranquility?

If you erect your statue on your front yard the government cannot interfere with your free speech. But if you want to put up a statue on the front lawn of the city hall then you don’t have freedom of speech. Government controls its own property what can be set on it and who can march on.

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RE: Okay, if statues of southern gererals are promoting... - 8/22/2017 11:30:20 AM

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Statues are an important part of history down south.

Try taking down Ben Franklins in PA.

Were you demanding to keep this statue erected in a public place?

Damn it, Clorox doesnt make brain bleach yet! Fuck, I close my eyes...and I can still see it! 😉

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RE: Okay, if statues of southern gererals are promoting... - 8/22/2017 11:33:38 AM

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By doing this you deprive both of freedom of speech because they disrupt each others speeches.

Wrong. The government has no right to prevent private citizens from disrupting or interfering with you exercising your right to free speech. Read the fucking Constitution rather than making up airy-fairy bullshit to excuse the trampling of your rights by all levels of government.

The government not only has the right but the duty to protect people exercising their freedom of speech
Have you never heard of insure to domestic tranquility?

If you erect your statue on your front yard the government cannot interfere with your free speech. But if you want to put up a statue on the front lawn of the city hall then you don’t have freedom of speech. Government controls its own property what can be set on it and who can march on.

Yes, and?

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RE: Okay, if statues of southern gererals are promoting... - 8/22/2017 11:36:26 AM

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By doing this you deprive both of freedom of speech because they disrupt each others speeches.

Wrong. The government has no right to prevent private citizens from disrupting or interfering with you exercising your right to free speech. Read the fucking Constitution rather than making up airy-fairy bullshit to excuse the trampling of your rights by all levels of government.

The government not only has the right but the duty to protect people exercising their freedom of speech
Have you never heard of insure to domestic tranquility?

If you erect your statue on your front yard the government cannot interfere with your free speech. But if you want to put up a statue on the front lawn of the city hall then you don’t have freedom of speech. Government controls its own property what can be set on it and who can march on.

It’s not about the statues. The statues are just another form of robes and hoods that the night riders used to intimidate freed blacks.

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RE: Okay, if statues of southern gererals are promoting... - 8/22/2017 11:37:41 AM

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By doing this you deprive both of freedom of speech because they disrupt each others speeches.

Wrong. The government has no right to prevent private citizens from disrupting or interfering with you exercising your right to free speech. Read the fucking Constitution rather than making up airy-fairy bullshit to excuse the trampling of your rights by all levels of government.

The government not only has the right but the duty to protect people exercising their freedom of speech
Have you never heard of insure to domestic tranquility?

If you erect your statue on your front yard the government cannot interfere with your free speech. But if you want to put up a statue on the front lawn of the city hall then you don’t have freedom of speech. Government controls its own property what can be set on it and who can march on.

It’s not about the statues. The statues are just another form of robes and hoods that the night riders used to intimidate freed blacks.

You don't have a high opinion of black people do you.

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RE: Okay, if statues of southern gererals are promoting... - 8/22/2017 11:37:56 AM

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OK, serious question ....

Earlier, I mentioned our own beloved Sir Edward Colston, who has a statue in Bristol, England. it's right in the middle of the town centre. He was a noted philanthropist - donating money to all kinds of endeavours in Bristol. However, he made a large amount of his fortune through slave-trading.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jun/09/edward-colston-bristol-statue-slavery

There have been ongoing arguments about taking the statue down. In a recent poll something over a half of people said 'keep it'. As far as I know there have never been any extra-legal attempts to remove it. It rarely gets defaced, either.

One of the objections to the statue is to the plaque on it. This adds insult to injury. It reads "Erected by the citizens of Bristol and memorial to one the most virtuous and wise sons of their city."

This perhaps inspired the response in the discussion below the article to which I've linked - that the statue should remain where it is, but have a plaque added to it that gives some history of Colston's slaving activities.

So, then, what about that? Would all sides be appeased by such plaques - or descriptions in other forms - on or near these statues? Would it even make a difference?

ETA Black Plaques for Slaver Philanthropists"

"Perhaps the answer to the conundrum of the buildings named after slave exploiters with other historic roles (Renamed and shamed, 29 April) is to keep the name but display a black plaque stating: “The person after whom this building was named made large profits from the organisation or exploitation of slavery.” Celebrity and infamy both given due credit."

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RE: Okay, if statues of southern gererals are promoting... - 8/22/2017 11:38:39 AM

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By doing this you deprive both of freedom of speech because they disrupt each others speeches.

Wrong. The government has no right to prevent private citizens from disrupting or interfering with you exercising your right to free speech. Read the fucking Constitution rather than making up airy-fairy bullshit to excuse the trampling of your rights by all levels of government.

The government not only has the right but the duty to protect people exercising their freedom of speech
Have you never heard of insure to domestic tranquility?

If you erect your statue on your front yard the government cannot interfere with your free speech. But if you want to put up a statue on the front lawn of the city hall then you don’t have freedom of speech. Government controls its own property what can be set on it and who can march on.

Yes, and?

So, if the government wants to remove signs or statues from government property they can very well do that.

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RE: Okay, if statues of southern gererals are promoting... - 8/22/2017 11:39:30 AM

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By doing this you deprive both of freedom of speech because they disrupt each others speeches.

Wrong. The government has no right to prevent private citizens from disrupting or interfering with you exercising your right to free speech. Read the fucking Constitution rather than making up airy-fairy bullshit to excuse the trampling of your rights by all levels of government.

The government not only has the right but the duty to protect people exercising their freedom of speech
Have you never heard of insure to domestic tranquility?

If you erect your statue on your front yard the government cannot interfere with your free speech. But if you want to put up a statue on the front lawn of the city hall then you don’t have freedom of speech. Government controls its own property what can be set on it and who can march on.

Yes, and?

I wonder how long it will take for a smart capitalist to take advantage of that little nugget.

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RE: Okay, if statues of southern gererals are promoting... - 8/22/2017 11:39:37 AM

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Were you demanding to keep this statue erected in a public place?

God almighty, it looks as though he's got some hideous tropical disease in his pubic area. Strewth I'm glad my dinner's digested.

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RE: Okay, if statues of southern gererals are promoting... - 8/22/2017 11:40:55 AM

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Were you demanding to keep this statue erected in a public place?

God almighty, it looks as though he's got some hideous tropical disease in his pubic area. Strewth I'm glad my dinner's digested.

Relax, it's just a product of leftist cartoon-world fantasy

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RE: Okay, if statues of southern gererals are promoting... - 8/22/2017 11:42:57 AM

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Relax, it's just a product of leftist cartoon-world fantasy

Really? Whew. I thought it really was Trump - in his new clothes.

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RE: Okay, if statues of southern gererals are promoting... - 8/22/2017 11:45:25 AM

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By doing this you deprive both of freedom of speech because they disrupt each others speeches.

Wrong. The government has no right to prevent private citizens from disrupting or interfering with you exercising your right to free speech. Read the fucking Constitution rather than making up airy-fairy bullshit to excuse the trampling of your rights by all levels of government.

The government not only has the right but the duty to protect people exercising their freedom of speech
Have you never heard of insure to domestic tranquility?

If you erect your statue on your front yard the government cannot interfere with your free speech. But if you want to put up a statue on the front lawn of the city hall then you don’t have freedom of speech. Government controls its own property what can be set on it and who can march on.

Yes, and?

So, if the government wants to remove signs or statues from government property they can very well do that.

I know that.

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RE: Okay, if statues of southern gererals are promoting... - 8/22/2017 11:48:37 AM

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Relax, it's just a product of leftist cartoon-world fantasy

Really? Whew. I thought it really was Trump - in his new clothes.

The work is entitled "The Emperor Has No Balls" in fact.

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