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RE: The Swedish socialist utopia - 8/21/2017 5:30:34 AM   
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Where did you get the following from?

Come back when you have done your reading, and I will give you the next steps. I told you it would take you months of reading.


Pretty much as I expected. Yep, hokey dokey, TDC.

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RE: The Swedish socialist utopia - 8/21/2017 8:07:52 AM   
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You wanted my sources, and these are my sources. Sorry that reality does not always fall in line with your one-click wikipedia mentality.

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RE: The Swedish socialist utopia - 8/21/2017 9:39:44 AM   
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You wanted my sources, and these are my sources. Sorry that reality does not always fall in line with your one-click wikipedia mentality.

You haven't provided any sources that are of any use in use in supporting the way you've characterised socialism so far, TDC. Actually, it seems very probable to me that all you've done is some hurried googling yourself.

Look, seriously, I think your main problem here is that you're trying to run before you can walk. Don't play around with the radical rethinks before you've got competent with the basics. You're not there yet, I'm afraid.


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RE: The Swedish socialist utopia - 8/21/2017 9:51:17 AM   
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You haven't provided any sources that are of any use in use in supporting the way you've characterised socialism so far

You didn't read it, so how would you know?
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I think your main problem here is that you're trying to run before you can walk. Don't play around with the radical rethinks before you've got competent with the basics. You're not there yet, I'm afraid.

I'll be sure to let my thesis committee know that.

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RE: The Swedish socialist utopia - 8/21/2017 10:06:25 AM   
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You haven't provided any sources that are of any use in use in supporting the way you've characterised socialism so far

You didn't read it, so how would you know?
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I think your main problem here is that you're trying to run before you can walk. Don't play around with the radical rethinks before you've got competent with the basics. You're not there yet, I'm afraid.

I'll be sure to let my thesis committee know that.


Oh for feck's sake. If you were doing a thesis, even at undergrad level, you'd know how evidencing your arguments is meant to work. Please just give it a rest.


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RE: The Swedish socialist utopia - 8/21/2017 10:15:50 AM   
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LOL
Yes dearie, whatever you say.

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RE: The Swedish socialist utopia - 8/21/2017 10:22:20 AM   
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Something you should keep in mind. This is a discussion forum on a fucking kinky sex site, not as formal debate or dissertation, and thus I am not required to adhere to any standard of proof or evidencing other than what suits my whim and passing fancy at the time.
You don't like that? Well, too fucking bad, sucks to be you.
I have explained socialism, I have given you the introductory sources required for understanding it. But you, like the Yanks, have decided that what I have learned actually studying political science over the course of many years is not true, and what you got from dictionary.com and some under-educated high school football coach is the gospel truth.
Again, sucks to be you.

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RE: The Swedish socialist utopia - 8/21/2017 10:44:11 AM   
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Something you should keep in mind. This is a discussion forum on a fucking kinky sex site, not as formal debate or dissertation, and thus I am not required to adhere to any standard of proof or evidencing other than what suits my whim and passing fancy at the time.
You don't like that? Well, too fucking bad, sucks to be you.
I have explained socialism, I have given you the introductory sources required for understanding it. But you, like the Yanks, have decided that what I have learned actually studying political science over the course of many years is not true, and what you got from dictionary.com and some under-educated high school football coach is the gospel truth.
Again, sucks to be you.


You haven't studied political science for many years. You've done some reading of some stuff which you find fascinating and you deserve credit for that. You've googled a few things; they haven't supported your somewhat whacky view of the subject ... so you've resorted to trying to assert some kind of authority by other means. You really are a bit of a weirdo, aren't you?

That said: I can see this descending into a lot of farty ego-puffing. I can't be bothered. So, the last word is yours.




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RE: The Swedish socialist utopia - 8/21/2017 10:47:27 AM   
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Something you should keep in mind. This is a discussion forum on a fucking kinky sex site, not as formal debate or dissertation, and thus I am not required to adhere to any standard of proof or evidencing other than what suits my whim and passing fancy at the time.
You don't like that? Well, too fucking bad, sucks to be you.
I have explained socialism, I have given you the introductory sources required for understanding it. But you, like the Yanks, have decided that what I have learned actually studying political science over the course of many years is not true, and what you got from dictionary.com and some under-educated high school football coach is the gospel truth.
Again, sucks to be you.




Lol... as 'stupid' as you think i am with my 3 undergraduate degrees that i managed to obtain in 5 years (instead of your supposed 15 years) ... even i can see from this that you are a total fraud. You can't cite 1 source.

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RE: The Swedish socialist utopia - 8/21/2017 6:20:37 PM   
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So, the last word is yours.

And the last word is:
LOL
Yes dearie, whatever you say.

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RE: The Swedish socialist utopia - 8/21/2017 6:22:03 PM   
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You can't cite 1 source.

I cited several, bumblefuck.

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RE: The Swedish socialist utopia - 8/21/2017 6:32:12 PM   
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You can't cite 1 source.

Once again, you need to learn to read more carefully, I clearly stated that some time ago.


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RE: The Swedish socialist utopia - 8/21/2017 6:51:07 PM   
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No you didn't. Give me the name of one political scientist and the title of a book or article that he/she wrote that asserts the definition of socialism you put forth.

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RE: The Swedish socialist utopia - 8/21/2017 7:02:09 PM   
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you are a man on here drunk/and or high, talking trash on a regular basis, with no reality.
Yes, he truly has found his people. If there's a place in the world where he belongs, it's here with the other fucktards who talk trash on a regular basis with "no reality".


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RE: The Swedish socialist utopia - 8/21/2017 7:04:54 PM   
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Kinda looking like, according to you leftard dimwits socialism has never been tried

Not at all, it has been tried many times, and almost invariably works. The problem is ignorant Yanks like you have no clue what the word means.
An odd statement, considering the absence of wildly successful socialist societies in the world.


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RE: The Swedish socialist utopia - 8/21/2017 7:11:43 PM   
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Kinda looking like, according to you leftard dimwits socialism has never been tried

Not at all, it has been tried many times, and almost invariably works. The problem is ignorant Yanks like you have no clue what the word means.
An odd statement, considering the absence of wildly successful socialist societies in the world.




Jumping in with a question.
I am not an expert by ANY means on this topic, but I find it interesting.

Has there been any country that practiced socialism 100% and was able to succeed?
It seems like greed, dishonesty, and/or corruption undermines almost every economic system.


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RE: The Swedish socialist utopia - 8/21/2017 7:13:08 PM   
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TDC, can you link us to your own definition of 'socialism'?

No, because I don't have my own definition of socialism. I use THE definition, as employed by political scientists and as defined by those who originated and developed the theories of socialism. I could, however link you to a large number of books that would explain it all to you in great detail, but that would entail you reading for a few months, which is beyond your interest, so here is the toddler version for you: The means of production and distribution (i.e. the factories and stores, etc), are owned by those who work in them, not financiers, investors, and stock holders.

Now, there are a number of variants, off-shoots, related philosophies, and outright bastardizations of this basic concept (Social democracy, market socialism, state capitalism, Marxism, Leninism, Marxist-Leninism, Stalinism, Maoism, Euro-Communism, etc. etc. etc.)

The thing to keep in mind at all times is that socialism is NOT for government anything, as socialism is opposed to any form of nation-state or government, and is in fact very much an anti-statist free-market libertarian ideology, it differs from capitalism on the question of who should own the wealth produced by the labour of the workers.

I'll go with this one thank you.

Socialism is a closely intertwined set of liberating ideas and social movements that emerged in the aftermath of the French Revolution. No single definition encompasses the many socialist variants that took root in Europe and America, but socialism enfolds certain key ideas. As products of the Enlightenment, socialists believe in the power of rational thought, in the malleability of economic institutions and social mores, and in a humanistic solidarity that transcends the nation-state.

In such a socialist world, the major instruments of production, distribution, and exchange are owned and administered for the welfare of all. Socialism entails the common ownership of the means of production, either through the state or some other mechanism of collective rule, and it seeks a broad and equitable distribution of the wealth generated by capital, (and labor) especially in so far as early-nineteenth-century industrialism demonstrated a capacity to generate both great wealth and extreme social inequality. (and ever since)

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Notice production, distribution, and exchange are owned and administered for the welfare of all. That means ownership is by govt, by investors, management and employees. (workers)

There wouldn't even need to be these concepts in economy if the investor class wasn't so careless, corrupt and greedy. But a short look at economic history shows this always to be the case wherever power concentrates. All throughout history, wherever power and money concentrate...the people (labor)...get fucked.

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RE: The Swedish socialist utopia - 8/21/2017 7:35:50 PM   
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you are a man on here drunk/and or high, talking trash on a regular basis, with no reality.
Yes, he truly has found his people. If there's a place in the world where he belongs, it's here with the other fucktards who talk trash on a regular basis with "no reality".


It's big of you to refrain from all of the name calling.

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RE: The Swedish socialist utopia - 8/21/2017 7:37:02 PM   
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An off topic that is on topic...

Thank you to those who have spoken on this topic. Im a Yank/American and I am enjoying the learning experience. 100% genuine and sincere...no bullshit

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RE: The Swedish socialist utopia - 8/22/2017 9:36:24 AM   
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No you didn't.

Yes I did. :)

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