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RE: Charlottesville: Guns vs. Free Speech - 8/21/2017 12:01:43 AM   
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Considering how often I have been called a leftist (which I find funny as hell as a gun owner) my personal opinion is this:

I dont give a fuck which side of the line your philosophy is, if you take it to extremes, you need to be hung up by your gonads, then horsewhipped.

White supremacy is a stupid philosophy because there is no scientific, biblical or any proof whatsoever that whites are any better than any other race, and in point of fact, fair skinned people are actually more susceptible to certain cancers than others.




Well Biblically, the Jews are God's chosen people so i guess you're screwed there. Lol.


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RE: Charlottesville: Guns vs. Free Speech - 8/21/2017 12:57:30 AM   
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Considering how often I have been called a leftist (which I find funny as hell as a gun owner) my personal opinion is this:

I dont give a fuck which side of the line your philosophy is, if you take it to extremes, you need to be hung up by your gonads, then horsewhipped.

White supremacy is a stupid philosophy because there is no scientific, biblical or any proof whatsoever that whites are any better than any other race, and in point of fact, fair skinned people are actually more susceptible to certain cancers than others.

As far as socialism goes, the so called socialist countries have found that being the big security blanket of the people have damn near bankrupted their governments, how many socialist countries have instituted drastic cuts in social programs in order to keep the governments from bankruptcy?

I didnt dislike Obama because of his liberal views, I disliked the man because he did not have the fucking balls to stand up for the things he claimed he wanted to do.

I dont dislike Trump because he is a conservative, I dislike the man because he is a complete and utter asshole. He claims to have saved jobs, well the jobs he kept from going to some Asian country ended up in Mexico.

He seems to go out of his way to insult entire groups of people, then makes statements that "some may be good people."

In fact, all politicians regardless of their right or left beliefs run for office so they can sit on their ass, be paid by lobbyists and do absofuckingly nothing for their constituents and then have the balls to point to the other party and say "Its their fault your life sucks."

Its time to make America great again, and the first step is to actually elect people that want to get something accomplished and know the art of compromise.

The worst part of it is that the American people believe the shit that FOX news and MSNBC and other propaganda machines spew out in the name of their favorite political party.

So the problems in government is actually the fault of the American people who have lost the ability to think for themselves and will believe anything they see on the internet or hear coming from the mouth of some News anchor who is probably reading bullshit off a teleprompter.

More leftist own guns than most people think. They just don't want the rest of us should

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RE: Charlottesville: Guns vs. Free Speech - 8/21/2017 5:58:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tamaka


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Considering how often I have been called a leftist (which I find funny as hell as a gun owner) my personal opinion is this:

I dont give a fuck which side of the line your philosophy is, if you take it to extremes, you need to be hung up by your gonads, then horsewhipped.

White supremacy is a stupid philosophy because there is no scientific, biblical or any proof whatsoever that whites are any better than any other race, and in point of fact, fair skinned people are actually more susceptible to certain cancers than others.




Well Biblically, the Jews are God's chosen people so i guess you're screwed there. Lol.



The jews that the white supremacists in Charlottesville were chanting aren't white folk at all, you mean?

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RE: Charlottesville: Guns vs. Free Speech - 8/21/2017 6:20:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tamaka


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Considering how often I have been called a leftist (which I find funny as hell as a gun owner) my personal opinion is this:

I dont give a fuck which side of the line your philosophy is, if you take it to extremes, you need to be hung up by your gonads, then horsewhipped.

White supremacy is a stupid philosophy because there is no scientific, biblical or any proof whatsoever that whites are any better than any other race, and in point of fact, fair skinned people are actually more susceptible to certain cancers than others.




Well Biblically, the Jews are God's chosen people so i guess you're screwed there. Lol.




What the fuck are you talking about you brainless twit?

Jesus, if you (or Greta) ever posted an intelligent argument I would double check Revelations to make sure it was not a sign of the second coming.

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RE: Charlottesville: Guns vs. Free Speech - 8/21/2017 7:30:38 AM   
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Jesus, if you (or Greta) ever posted an intelligent argument I would double check Revelations to make sure it was not a sign of the second coming.

It's just unfortunate JLF can't see intelligence staring in his face.

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White supremacy is a stupid philosophy because there is no scientific, biblical or any proof whatsoever that whites are any better than any other race, and in point of fact, fair skinned people are actually more susceptible to certain cancers than others.

The interesting thing. All races started out equal. How did it happen that more white countries got their shit together faster than others? I don't really like the word "supremacy", but some race are better than other races in their own little gifts.

Like Africans are ALWAYS gonna dominate running events. ALWAYS. It's in their DNA. I read about white folks growing up with them, eating their diet, training like they train, and like just cannot come anywhere close to their incredible physical ability for running speed.

And Chinese Kids are always gonna have freakish perfect scores in school, because their parents slave drive them that their only purpose in life as a child is to score a perfect score for every test, and every exam. That one is seriously nuture. I believe any race would perform the same with the same crazy parents. But the drive to do something like this seem to be very predominantly Chinese. Just came naturally to us.

If ya notice Spelling Bee in the US. The South Indians ALWAYS win spelling. Despite English not being their first language. In Singapore we always believe South Indians are naturally gifted in languages. Like it's not uncommon especially for the older generation of uneducated Indians, despite lack of education to speak perfect variety of Chinese languages, from just listening to others talk. Just talented. No other race can do it.

White folks somehow just know how to be economically stronger. Don't know why.

I kinda understand the "White Supremacist" point of view of somebody out there has to take care of race preservation of their own race. They don't want the white race to become extinct.

I always said, in Asia, it's the same for Chinese, South Indians, etc. Like there is quite a majority who feel a very strong duty to preserve the continuation of the purity of their race. Except in Asia, it's not seen as supremacy, rather it is seen as, simply, loyalty to your own race.

I always ask myself what's wrong with race preservation? IF every race, White/Yellow/Brown/Black, all preserve the purity of their own race. But can still be best friends and play together. What is the issue?



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RE: Charlottesville: Guns vs. Free Speech - 8/21/2017 8:00:22 AM   
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Considering how often I have been called a leftist (which I find funny as hell as a gun owner)

What the fuck does owning a gun have to do with being a leftist? I'm a fucking communist, and I own a gun.

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RE: Charlottesville: Guns vs. Free Speech - 8/21/2017 8:11:45 AM   
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Considering how often I have been called a leftist (which I find funny as hell as a gun owner)

What the fuck does owning a gun have to do with being a leftist? I'm a fucking communist, and I own a gun.

I'm a bit surprised to find that Hunter Thompson, Joe Haldeman and Gabby Giffords are rightists, to put it mildly.

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RE: Charlottesville: Guns vs. Free Speech - 8/21/2017 8:43:34 AM   
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Yeah, this whole "we're the right, sole protector of American freedoms" is and always has been mitigated bullshit.

Kinda like "we're the party of family values." Look how that lie turned out.

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RE: Charlottesville: Guns vs. Free Speech - 8/21/2017 11:13:52 AM   
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But for me, once they're armed and chanting things threatening other citizens, in this case Jews and people of color, that's not free speech. That's not a right. That's an armed threat.


I think the reality is that the implicit threat of violence is eventually going to be too much for some to want to voice their views in practice, yes. In this country, by the late 1970s, the violence at National Front / Anti Nazi League demos had got so bad that you pretty much had to be ready for a fight to attend. They weren't demos for those who were less than physically hardy. Flash forward to 2012 and some of the anti-cuts demos: there were old people and children. The police were actually *friendly*, if you can believe that.

This stuff in the USA - it's going to get nastier before it gets better, isn't it? It isn't just the matter of guns (though I'm sure that puts the possibilities of violence on a level I probably couldn't entirely comprehend). There's the relatively new trend of using a car as a weapon and I have no doubt that people will be getting creative about their violence in other ways. Underneath that ... race relations that, historically, make ours in the UK look chummy by comparison.





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RE: Charlottesville: Guns vs. Free Speech - 8/21/2017 2:46:37 PM   
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Considering how often I have been called a leftist (which I find funny as hell as a gun owner)

What the fuck does owning a gun have to do with being a leftist? I'm a fucking communist, and I own a gun.

Told him so.

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RE: Charlottesville: Guns vs. Free Speech - 8/22/2017 8:05:26 AM   
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Yeah, I was wondering that as well.

But the world is simplistically black and white to some of the posters.

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RE: Charlottesville: Guns vs. Free Speech - 8/27/2017 6:15:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Jesus, if you (or Greta) ever posted an intelligent argument I would double check Revelations to make sure it was not a sign of the second coming.

It's just unfortunate JLF can't see intelligence staring in his face.

quote:

White supremacy is a stupid philosophy because there is no scientific, biblical or any proof whatsoever that whites are any better than any other race, and in point of fact, fair skinned people are actually more susceptible to certain cancers than others.

The interesting thing. All races started out equal. How did it happen that more white countries got their shit together faster than others? I don't really like the word "supremacy", but some race are better than other races in their own little gifts.

Like Africans are ALWAYS gonna dominate running events. ALWAYS. It's in their DNA. I read about white folks growing up with them, eating their diet, training like they train, and like just cannot come anywhere close to their incredible physical ability for running speed.

And Chinese Kids are always gonna have freakish perfect scores in school, because their parents slave drive them that their only purpose in life as a child is to score a perfect score for every test, and every exam. That one is seriously nuture. I believe any race would perform the same with the same crazy parents. But the drive to do something like this seem to be very predominantly Chinese. Just came naturally to us.

If ya notice Spelling Bee in the US. The South Indians ALWAYS win spelling. Despite English not being their first language. In Singapore we always believe South Indians are naturally gifted in languages. Like it's not uncommon especially for the older generation of uneducated Indians, despite lack of education to speak perfect variety of Chinese languages, from just listening to others talk. Just talented. No other race can do it.

White folks somehow just know how to be economically stronger. Don't know why.

I kinda understand the "White Supremacist" point of view of somebody out there has to take care of race preservation of their own race. They don't want the white race to become extinct.

I always said, in Asia, it's the same for Chinese, South Indians, etc. Like there is quite a majority who feel a very strong duty to preserve the continuation of the purity of their race. Except in Asia, it's not seen as supremacy, rather it is seen as, simply, loyalty to your own race.

I always ask myself what's wrong with race preservation? IF every race, White/Yellow/Brown/Black, all preserve the purity of their own race. But can still be best friends and play together. What is the issue?





I should really even bother taking you up on this, but all of the differences between "races" you have quoted there are really differences between "cultures".

We have just been through a period (which is now ending) where from around 1800 western economies have been dominant in the world. Before this point (despite the Eurocentric nature of much history) European economies were not superior to the rest of the world. The British and French had one big problem when trying to trade with India in the 18th century - the Indians didn't want or need their goods.

Different strands of European social, economic and military development came together to produce the hegemony that "western" countries have today, but are so patently starting to lose in the 21st century.

Prior to that China and India both had lengthy periods where they were more economically and militarily sophisticated than Europe and , even closer to the Mediterranean there were long periods of domination by Semitic people's in present day Syria/Iraq and Africans in Egypt (prior to the influx of Arabic/Semitic peoples). Arguably too there were periods where great cultures in South American, Indo-China and Africa were stronger and more impressive than anything that was produced by the European populations at the same time. Arab maths was far more developed by European maths for hundreds of years.

This has nothing to do with race and everything to do with culture.

Middle distance running was dominated by white UK athletes in the eighties and records were set that it took many years to beat. Why - the popularity of middle distance running in the UK at the time. There are lots of white men running 400 metres but not 100 metres. Why - culture. Golf, squash and rugby are dominated by white people or people of Polynesian descent. Genes/DNA? - no culture again. Swimming records are held generally by whites, track running records by people of African descent. In cycling white people dominate except in France where there are more black track sprinters at the top of the sport. Recent Chinese success is many sports is a result of investment in development programmes and getting people into the sport, which in reverse is exactly why a country the size of India has a brilliant cricket team and not much else. Recent UK world dominance of cycling (without a single non-white rider at the top of the sport) is as a result of that development and the fact that cycling just isn't popular with non-whites in the UK.

So even in sport there is no firm evidence of differences in performance being due to race. In some sports people of African descent dominate and in others they don't. It does matter whether fast or slow twitch muscles are concerned. It is a reflection of who is the best at getting people into the sport and developing their skills and fitness.

As for your purity argument, I am the result of a number of very different white genetic backgrounds which aren't so obvious now because they have mixed together so much in the last 1000 years. That inter-breeding is why you can hardly distinguish the once more distinct European/Asian white racial groups and we now talk about Caucasians like they have always been one group.

My country is a mixing pot of race and culture and I love that. I love the music, the food, the culture and the different perspectives. Hell the white people in the UK hardly share the same culture, let alone the non-white people. I work in a very racially diverse workplace and community and in my life my partners have been from more than one race.

Europe has always had to accommodate immigrants. There is no natural eastern border to Europe or any significant oceans to stop people. The result over hundreds of years has been a blending and a mixing together which is the very stuff of life.

So fuck your racial purity prejudice. That's the kind of shit that divides people, spreads hatred and starts wars.

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RE: Charlottesville: Guns vs. Free Speech - 8/27/2017 7:26:18 AM   
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So fuck your racial purity prejudice. That's the kind of shit that divides people, spreads hatred and starts wars.


It's kinda looking like forced diversity and forced political correctness and that sort of thing is what does that more than anything. Wasn't Obama supposed to be hope and change? What did we end up with after eight years of his pushing the same sort of ideological insanity that you do

Less hope than ever, for most

Enjoy your jihaidi attacks btw, the 'new normal' in Britain

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RE: Charlottesville: Guns vs. Free Speech - 8/30/2017 1:47:48 PM   
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It is still safer living in the UK with a small number of terrorist attacks than living in the US with its murder rate.

Not something I enjoy saying but every time you use terrorism as your messed up excuse for why racial and cultural diversity doesn't work in the UK, you do so with absolutely no perspective about the relative peacefulness of our communities.

This isn't a competition. Trying to make a point about what I am saying by saying "but you have terrorism" is getting pretty tired now.

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RE: Charlottesville: Guns vs. Free Speech - 8/30/2017 1:52:19 PM   
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It is still safer living in the UK with a small number of terrorist attacks than living in the US with its murder rate.

Not something I enjoy saying but every time you use terrorism as your messed up excuse for why racial and cultural diversity doesn't work in the UK, you do so with absolutely no perspective about the relative peacefulness of our communities.

This isn't a competition. Trying to make a point about what I am saying by saying "but you have terrorism" is getting pretty tired now.

If he's playing the terrorism card as an example of why the UK is far less safe than the 'States, perhaps he could tell us which skyscrapers in Britain have had airliners crashed into them in the last twenty years?

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RE: Charlottesville: Guns vs. Free Speech - 8/30/2017 2:11:49 PM   
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This stuff in the USA - it's going to get nastier before it gets better, isn't it? It isn't just the matter of guns (though I'm sure that puts the possibilities of violence on a level I probably couldn't entirely comprehend). There's the relatively new trend of using a car as a weapon and I have no doubt that people will be getting creative about their violence in other ways. Underneath that ... race relations that, historically, make ours in the UK look chummy by comparison.


Yes, it is going to get worse here before it gets better. You can lay that right at the feet of the media in general here, which somehow have decided that tearing America apart is good for them.
Cars as weapons have had some limited success and have gotten a lot of media attention, so you can be sure there will be many more before things calm down.
As for the UK being inherently safer, I'm sure anyone alive during "The Troubles" will feel differently about that. The only thing that made England safer is that the terrorists got too old to fight.

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RE: Charlottesville: Guns vs. Free Speech - 8/31/2017 3:36:52 PM   
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The Troubles are a very good example of what happens when you arm a society. It has taken us years to recover from that.

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RE: Charlottesville: Guns vs. Free Speech - 8/31/2017 4:01:02 PM   
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The Troubles are a very good example of what happens when you arm a society. It has taken us years to recover from that.


You want to know what it takes time to recover from... First thing leftist mass murderers like Stalin and Hitler do when they take over is disarm the population

THAT kind of situation, takes a long time to recover from.

Historically, Muslims have been no better, whenever they manage to gain the upper hand

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RE: Charlottesville: Guns vs. Free Speech - 8/31/2017 5:59:08 PM   
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It is still safer living in the UK with a small number of terrorist attacks than living in the US with its murder rate.

Not something I enjoy saying but every time you use terrorism as your messed up excuse for why racial and cultural diversity doesn't work in the UK, you do so with absolutely no perspective about the relative peacefulness of our communities.

This isn't a competition. Trying to make a point about what I am saying by saying "but you have terrorism" is getting pretty tired now.

Yep.

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RE: Charlottesville: Guns vs. Free Speech - 8/31/2017 7:10:52 PM   
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The Troubles are a very good example of what happens when you arm a society. It has taken us years to recover from that.


Except that few IRA attacks in those times were gun attacks. The IRA mostly used guns to defend themselves from British Army sweeps attempting to clean them out.
Actual terrorism type attacks performed by the IRA were usually carried out with explosives, both stolen and homemade.
The Troubles didn't end because of any kind of disarmament or gun regulations. They ended because most of the IRA was of the WWII generation, and they just got too old to fight. So old age is what really brought the peace.

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