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RE: Decisions regarding birthcontrol - for Goreans - 8/15/2006 7:55:36 PM

Passion357

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I think i actually need a drink after reading this....

Absolute Vodka 100% proof AGREED.
This thread has actually scared me. Fortunately, not only are there several slaves standing up for the *Right* thing, my own Master has also stood up.
I just can't stop shaking my head. WoW.

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RE: Decisions regarding birthcontrol - for Goreans - 8/17/2006 5:17:12 PM

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It is indeed a contentious issue, and I for one will state that while a Gorean Master has the right to have His property modified in this fashion, after she is collared, I personally do not think he should unless this was something that was clearly understood from the get-go. In My own personal example, the girl in question is told this up front, you will be required to undergo this IF you choose to beg collar from Me. Now, if the girl desires children, or knows she may someday desire children, then she should not beg collar of Someone who requires this. Not all girls want to be mothers, and many would have no difficulty whatsoever with it. As to what happens if she leaves, or the Master dies, well, she knew what she was getting into when she begged collar, and she will at that point have to live with the consequences of her actions. Suppose her Master had all her pubic hair removed by electrolysis, and she leaves and the next Master only wants a girl whose crotch resembles a gorillas? (yes I know genital appearance is nowhere near on the same order of importance as reproductive capcity, but the principal is the same) We all make choices, everyday that have the potential for lasting impact, sometimes lifelong impact. I think that in the case of a girl who is owned, such choices should be made crystal clear to her, if at all possible before she begs collar, but, once she chooses to do so, her choices will have to be lived with, regardless of outcome.
I agree this is a choice that the girl needs to make, before she is collared.

                                                                     I wish you well,
                                                                                               Shreve


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RE: Decisions regarding birthcontrol - for Goreans - 8/18/2006 6:32:15 AM

sephisurrender3d

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Greetings Masters,
Greetings Mistresses,
Greetnigs enslaved ones,

*Now, some of the slaves, and especially those who are not Gorean kajira, have opinions that differ, but you would kind of expect that from non-Gorean girls. *

I'm sure this was aimed at me and a few others but id like to say I was a trained kajira for the Majority of the past 6 years in r/l .. I have given my entire life to serving my Master and though i do not now claim the role of gorean kajira i do still serve my Master in many of the same ways..I have also been a "FW" so i can see both sides of this issue... Though from past expierence i will never allow anyone to dictate to me permenent alterations on my body that are not already agreed upon or that may cause me harm in the way a tubal has both mentally and emotionally..There for i have stopped using the term kajira becaue i will always be true to my beliefs over some fictional writings and beliefs of any one person or group...

I wish You a most wonderful day..

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RE: Decisions regarding birthcontrol - for Goreans - 8/18/2006 9:32:51 AM

RedDragonFreehol

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Tal sephis,

No, it was not targeted at you per se, but if the shoe fits, as the old adage goes....

I can see how well you were trained in the Gorean ideals when you can't look past the venue in which the philosophy was presented to see the philsophy. What Lange wrote into those books philosophically, is still philosophically true, regardless of the vessel in which it was delivered. Naturalism is a valid philosophical school of thought, and Lange ne Norman's naturalistic formulations are still valid, regardless of whether he chose to place them in a form where he used iconic, and sometimes fantastic representations of things, to further those arguments. It is pretty clear in most cases what those icons represent, and it is a valid method of argument to exagerate to make the point.

I am glad that you have stopped using the term kajira to describe yourself. That is the least you can do for those who are real kajira.

Be well,

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RE: Decisions regarding birthcontrol - for Goreans - 8/18/2006 4:32:13 PM

Passion357

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Greetings, sephi,

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I am glad that you have stopped using the term kajira to describe yourself. That is the least you can do for those who are real kajira.

That was just rude. I am sorry, sephi, some people don't seem to get the concept of "live the life". Somehow they interpret that to mean "live in a book".
I know the majority of my training is real life. If I said I haven't learned some online, too, (after the fact of my Submission Ceremony)I'd be lying. I have learned from these very forums as well, but still I do not *live* on them.
Sadly, lately, all I've learned is what I do *not* want to see in a Gorean Man, especially if that is the future of this Earth, and what I will *not* be be- friending. Sure would be nice if a real time, live the life day to day, not live in books Gorean Master would step up.

Oh hi Shreve!

I must say I do agree with Shreve on the original topic. Just as well, though, something should be said of a Master springing this on his slave after the Collar. What then? If he just one day decides he's too old, he doesn't have the energy, just don't wanna be a Daddy (again, possibly). If this were not part of the original agreement. Touchy topic.
Well Wishes,
~mate'~

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RE: Decisions regarding birthcontrol - for Goreans - 8/19/2006 10:33:24 AM

RedDragonFreehol

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Tal mate',

And there, so to speak, is the crux of the problem. As long as you are going to stay mired in your will, you are going to get what you get. It matters not if the Master changes his mind, a true kajira not only understands that he might do that, but she also understands that pleasing him is what she is supposed to do first, last, and allways, and it is then her place to bend to his will, whichever direction his will leads, not exercise her will. If she cannot set herself to that task, then she has no place claiming to be a slave, let alone a Gorean kajira.

The "touchy" topics are only touchy at that point where the mono-think of Earth culture gets brought into them. If you apply a purely Gorean philosophical outlook to the problem, they are simple, and not touchy in the least bit.

Be well,

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RE: Decisions regarding birthcontrol - for Goreans - 9/1/2006 2:37:33 AM

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MasterO has said that if we were to stop using the kind of BC she uses now (depot shots), Master would have the operation. This is because it is a bigger chance of complications with that kind of operation in a woman than it is for men.

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RE: Decisions regarding birthcontrol - for Goreans - 9/2/2006 12:17:46 PM

earthylaughter

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first of all thank you all for allowing non-gorean females to answer in these messages....

my mind says that if it is the males desire to no longer have children then the male should make his seed no longer able to bear fruit.

if it is the female that no longer wants children the female should make her womb no longer able to bear fruit.

if they are in a union where he shares her body with other men, he should make his seed unable to bear fruit and also require his slave to use a form of birth control that is almost always fool proof.

The hormonal option would be a depo-provera injection, a non-hormonal option would be an intra uterine devise (IUD).

That way she would be free from childbearing as long as she is owned by her master; and he would be free from bearing fruit with any womb he played in. (grin)

but as we all know there are times when people die unexpectedly. This would allow her the option to have children with a different master in the future if her collar changed hands.

i guess other's have said the same, but i would hope a caring Master would not make life chaging decisions for his slave for purely selfish reasons when his own body is easier to augment than hers.

my own humble opinion of course

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RE: Decisions regarding birthcontrol - for Goreans - 9/4/2006 6:44:35 PM

Homestead

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I would think it best for myself to get the sterilizing operation done, in as much as I dislike small children. After all, I am not going to share a slave with another man. And if she then turns up pregnant?

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RE: Decisions regarding birthcontrol - for Goreans - 9/5/2006 10:39:09 AM

raiken

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ORIGINAL: RedDragonFreehol

It matters not if the Master changes his mind, a true kajira not only understands that he might do that, but she also understands that pleasing him is what she is supposed to do first, last, and allways, and it is then her place to bend to his will, whichever direction his will leads, not exercise her will. If she cannot set herself to that task, then she has no place claiming to be a slave, let alone a Gorean kajira.

Ah...something to be said for the fine and subtle art of persuasion...not to be misconstrued or associated with manipulation. *smile

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