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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

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ORIGINAL: tamaka


So you don't respect him.

Where on Earth would you get that?

If somebody orders your Master to go get them coffee, and that your Master doesn't, does the fact that he doesn't get coffee for other people reflect the fact that he doesn't respect them, or does it reflect the fact that he's not in an obedience dynamic with other people obligating him to go get coffee for them?

You realize that tons of people who respect each other very much don't obey one another, right?

Your example is irrelevant to your situation.

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

without having to obey the person you call Master or Mistress

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

without having to obey the person you call Master or Mistress

I never said that.

What I said is that my obedience isn't based on "because I promised to obey".

Claiming I don't have to obey would be silly... and Ullr wouldn't put up with it.
What I don't have to do, however, is be told I'm "a crappy slave" or "failing to meet my commitments" when I disobey.
Nor am I expected to obey unenforced commands.

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

Yeah, that's a no. We are talking about CONSENSUAL make believe slavery, so yeah, obedience is the SOP.

*smh*

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

So your dynamic is you disobey when you want to feel his power & control over you?

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

Whatever babe, "slave" just means something different to me than it does to you.

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ORIGINAL: Kaliko

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

Yeah, that's a no. We are talking about CONSENSUAL make believe slavery, so yeah, obedience is the SOP.

*smh*

I just want to make a distinction. I'm very strongly in the "Not obedient just because I'm told to be" club, but for different reasons than Ishtar, which is why I agreed with your statement. I do think that if one says they're someone's slave, that obedience shouldn't be an issue. I think that's what makes that person a slave: that obedience isn't an issue.

But obedience is not my SOP all the time. I want it to be, and sitting here in my desk chair while he's sleeping it's easy for me to say that. But when the time comes when I'm expected to do something difficult or tiring or it's just bad timing, I'm not always quite so good at it.

I just wanted to clarify because I have said in the past, and I will probably say again, that I find it difficult to believe those submissives who say that they do what they're told simply because they're told to. I think there's a path to that place, an imperfect journey, and if they haven't hit at least some disobedient bumps in the road, then they haven't really been tested.

So no, I don't think obedience is SOP. But, I do think it should be.

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But apparently only your definition of 'slave' is right

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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But apparently only your definition of 'slave' is right

I never said anything like that, so take your stupid strawman, shove it up your ass, and fuck off.

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

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ORIGINAL: Kaliko

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

Yeah, that's a no. We are talking about CONSENSUAL make believe slavery, so yeah, obedience is the SOP.

*smh*

I just want to make a distinction. I'm very strongly in the "Not obedient just because I'm told to be" club, but for different reasons than Ishtar, which is why I agreed with your statement. I do think that if one says they're someone's slave, that obedience shouldn't be an issue. I think that's what makes that person a slave: that obedience isn't an issue.

But obedience is not my SOP all the time. I want it to be, and sitting here in my desk chair while he's sleeping it's easy for me to say that. But when the time comes when I'm expected to do something difficult or tiring or it's just bad timing, I'm not always quite so good at it.

I just wanted to clarify because I have said in the past, and I will probably say again, that I find it difficult to believe those submissives who say that they do what they're told simply because they're told to. I think there's a path to that place, an imperfect journey, and if they haven't hit at least some disobedient bumps in the road, then they haven't really been tested.

So no, I don't think obedience is SOP. But, I do think it should be.

Maybe people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, and define things as 'crappy' when they have no idea of the individual relationship, or difficulty level involved.

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ORIGINAL: Kaliko

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

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ORIGINAL: Kaliko

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

Yeah, that's a no. We are talking about CONSENSUAL make believe slavery, so yeah, obedience is the SOP.

*smh*

I just want to make a distinction. I'm very strongly in the "Not obedient just because I'm told to be" club, but for different reasons than Ishtar, which is why I agreed with your statement. I do think that if one says they're someone's slave, that obedience shouldn't be an issue. I think that's what makes that person a slave: that obedience isn't an issue.

But obedience is not my SOP all the time. I want it to be, and sitting here in my desk chair while he's sleeping it's easy for me to say that. But when the time comes when I'm expected to do something difficult or tiring or it's just bad timing, I'm not always quite so good at it.

I just wanted to clarify because I have said in the past, and I will probably say again, that I find it difficult to believe those submissives who say that they do what they're told simply because they're told to. I think there's a path to that place, an imperfect journey, and if they haven't hit at least some disobedient bumps in the road, then they haven't really been tested.

So no, I don't think obedience is SOP. But, I do think it should be.

Maybe people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, and define things as 'crappy' when they have no idea of the individual relationship, or difficulty level involved.

I was saying what I think, certainly not dictating that what I think goes for all. For the record, the crappy comment was just a sarcastic joke, not meant as an insult.

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

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ORIGINAL: Kaliko

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

Yeah, that's a no. We are talking about CONSENSUAL make believe slavery, so yeah, obedience is the SOP.

*smh*

I just want to make a distinction. I'm very strongly in the "Not obedient just because I'm told to be" club, but for different reasons than Ishtar, which is why I agreed with your statement. I do think that if one says they're someone's slave, that obedience shouldn't be an issue. I think that's what makes that person a slave: that obedience isn't an issue.

But obedience is not my SOP all the time. I want it to be, and sitting here in my desk chair while he's sleeping it's easy for me to say that. But when the time comes when I'm expected to do something difficult or tiring or it's just bad timing, I'm not always quite so good at it.

I just wanted to clarify because I have said in the past, and I will probably say again, that I find it difficult to believe those submissives who say that they do what they're told simply because they're told to. I think there's a path to that place, an imperfect journey, and if they haven't hit at least some disobedient bumps in the road, then they haven't really been tested.

So no, I don't think obedience is SOP. But, I do think it should be.

Maybe people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, and define things as 'crappy' when they have no idea of the individual relationship, or difficulty level involved.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

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ORIGINAL: Kaliko

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

Yeah, that's a no. We are talking about CONSENSUAL make believe slavery, so yeah, obedience is the SOP.

*smh*

I just want to make a distinction. I'm very strongly in the "Not obedient just because I'm told to be" club, but for different reasons than Ishtar, which is why I agreed with your statement. I do think that if one says they're someone's slave, that obedience shouldn't be an issue. I think that's what makes that person a slave: that obedience isn't an issue.

But obedience is not my SOP all the time. I want it to be, and sitting here in my desk chair while he's sleeping it's easy for me to say that. But when the time comes when I'm expected to do something difficult or tiring or it's just bad timing, I'm not always quite so good at it.

I just wanted to clarify because I have said in the past, and I will probably say again, that I find it difficult to believe those submissives who say that they do what they're told simply because they're told to. I think there's a path to that place, an imperfect journey, and if they haven't hit at least some disobedient bumps in the road, then they haven't really been tested.

So no, I don't think obedience is SOP. But, I do think it should be.

Maybe people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, and define things as 'crappy' when they have no idea of the individual relationship, or difficulty level involved.

Yeah... i wouldn't want to have to 'manage my Man' again. It is definitely a way to serve but it's draining. Even when they respond well to your direction.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

I am fortunate that my Master is very good at gauging how i 'am' and Master always makes sure that i 'have what it takes' at any given time before He orders me to do something. Plus we are both a bit OCD so there's always that crazy energy to harness too. There are sometimes when Master tells me to go do something that i don't feel like getting up and doing at that moment, but then my 'slave" energy kicks in and i want to do it because it is to serve Master.

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

I am fortunate that my Master is very good at gauging how i 'am' and Master always makes sure that i 'have what it takes' at any given time before He orders me to do something. Plus we are both a bit OCD so there's always that crazy energy to harness too. There are sometimes when Master tells me to go do something that i don't feel like getting up and doing at that moment, but then my 'slave" energy kicks in and i want to do it because it is to serve Master.

Ulls doesn't worry about whether I have what it takes in order to comply with an order out of my own volition. What he gauges is whether he's got what is needed to enforce compliance.

His capacity to enforce compliance far exceeds my capacity to offer obedience voluntarily, and so he gets much more out of me by not limiting what he demands of me to what I am capable of voluntarily offering to him.

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

As long as he enjoys having to force you to do stuff all the time... i guess it's all good.

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ORIGINAL: UllrsIshtar

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ORIGINAL: tamaka

As long as he enjoys having to force you to do stuff all the time... i guess it's all good.

Huh... where would you get the assumption that he does?