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RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website - 8/27/2017 11:57:41 AM

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It comes down to "can you leave?" Not whether you *think* you can leave or not.

Modern day nonconsensual -illegally kept- slaves can most often leave. Not only can they most often physically leave. They also live in countries where technically the authorities would be on their side, instead of on the side of the slave owners, when it comes to retrieving them if they did flee.

Yet, you don't hear human trafficking organisations cry that these people aren't really slaves because they can leave.

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RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website - 8/27/2017 12:19:02 PM

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It comes down to "can you leave?" Not whether you *think* you can leave or not.

Modern day nonconsensual -illegally kept- slaves can most often leave. Not only can they most often physically leave. They also live in countries where technically the authorities would be on their side, instead of on the side of the slave owners, when it comes to retrieving them if they did flee.

Yet, you don't hear human trafficking organisations cry that these people aren't really slaves because they can leave.

Can we at least try to keep this stuff to what consensual, rather than historical slavery, is supposed to be about?

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RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website - 8/27/2017 12:34:36 PM

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It comes down to "can you leave?" Not whether you *think* you can leave or not.

Modern day nonconsensual -illegally kept- slaves can most often leave. Not only can they most often physically leave. They also live in countries where technically the authorities would be on their side, instead of on the side of the slave owners, when it comes to retrieving them if they did flee.

Yet, you don't hear human trafficking organisations cry that these people aren't really slaves because they can leave.

I have to disagree with you on this one. The threats and violence that people are exposed to in these situations would make most, if not all, believe that there was no escape.

I think it is crossing a line to even compare this horrible thing to any type of consensual slavery. Debating is a great thing, but not at the cost of diminishing the suffering by those who are taken and held and forced to do what, to them, would have been unthinkable before they were forced into it.

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RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website - 8/27/2017 2:19:11 PM

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Good grief - I'm done with you for this thread. I specifically said what my dom and I had worked for us. I didn't say that anyone else couldn't possibly be master/slave because their relationship wasn't like ours.
Understanding that you have a different dynamic pretty much determines that I don't insist that everyone else adhere to my definitions.
Which is why when my Sweetie and I got together , we had some rather long discussions about what each of us wanted in a relationship. And what we came up with isn't anything like my late dom and my relationship. Everybodys relationships are unique, and probably not qualifiable to others. We can talk about them until the cows come home, then have to agree to disagree because in the end, nobody changes another persons mind. It can be interesting, but even the act of attempted communication is fraught with inaccuracys and misunderstandings.

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RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website - 8/27/2017 2:27:50 PM

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I didn't say that anyone else couldn't possibly be master/slave because their relationship wasn't like ours.

You did say that. Literally even:

kiwisub22: If the slave is not obeying the master, then she isn't really a slave, and he isn't really a master. What they have, I think, is a vanilla relationship with kinky sex, or kinky overtones.

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RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website - 8/27/2017 2:36:40 PM

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I have to disagree with you on this one. The threats and violence that people are exposed to in these situations would make most, if not all, believe that there was no escape.

Those are the same types of threats and violence domestic abuse victims tend to be exposed to, resulting in an equal situation of them feeling there is no escape.

However, feeling there is no escape isn't the same as having no escape. The fact is that, throughout history, slaves have stayed with their owners for a variety of reasons, in a variety of circumstances, where they could have realistically walked away. Yet the fact that they realistically could walk away didn't make the threat of force they were living under on a daily basis any less.

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I think it is crossing a line to even compare this horrible thing to any type of consensual slavery. Debating is a great thing, but not at the cost of diminishing the suffering by those who are taken and held and forced to do what, to them, would have been unthinkable before they were forced into it.

If the origin of the term is too offensive to be discussed, and the comparison between what the origin of the term is, and what we make of it in our modern sheltered world, is too offensive to be discussed, then it's offensive to the victims of nonconsensual slavery to use the term 'slave' in a BDSM context. Period.

Either we can discuss why we chose to call what we do slavery, and where that terminology came from, and what the context of it's historical meaning is, and how that compares to what we're currently practicing, or comparing what we do is offensive to the victims, in which case calling what we do by the same label is offensive.
If it diminishes the suffering of actual slaves to discuss why BDSMers have chosen slavery as a label for their relationships, then it diminishes the suffering of actual slaves to call BDSM relationships slavery.

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RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website - 8/27/2017 2:42:49 PM

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It comes down to "can you leave?" Not whether you *think* you can leave or not.

Modern day nonconsensual -illegally kept- slaves can most often leave. Not only can they most often physically leave. They also live in countries where technically the authorities would be on their side, instead of on the side of the slave owners, when it comes to retrieving them if they did flee.

Yet, you don't hear human trafficking organisations cry that these people aren't really slaves because they can leave.

Can we at least try to keep this stuff to what consensual, rather than historical slavery, is supposed to be about?

Nope, because the origin and meaning of the term is relevant for determining what types of relationships can be considered to be a consensual/fantasy emulation of the original concepts that are relayed by the term in and of itself.

What you're asking is to discuss why "puppy play" is a called puppy play, and what type of behaviors could fall under the umbrella puppy play, without being willing to discuss origins of the term, the fact that it's based on simulating the behavior of dogs, and without being willing to compare to what extend the simulated behavior during puppy play resembles/represents that of actual dogs versus how it differs from the behavior of actual dogs.

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RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website - 8/27/2017 3:00:31 PM

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I am sure it will not bother you at all, but having seen the effects that being held against their will has on a person, your refusal to even acknowledge that there is no comparison between that and what we are discussing here is making me check out of this thread.

A shame too, cause like LadyP said, it was a great discussion from a one sentence OP.

Peace.

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RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website - 8/27/2017 5:02:05 PM

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I am fortunate that my Master is very good at gauging how i 'am' and Master always makes sure that i 'have what it takes' at any given time before He orders me to do something. Plus we are both a bit OCD so there's always that crazy energy to harness too. There are sometimes when Master tells me to go do something that i don't feel like getting up and doing at that moment, but then my 'slave" energy kicks in and i want to do it because it is to serve Master.

Ulls doesn't worry about whether I have what it takes in order to comply with an order out of my own volition. What he gauges is whether he's got what is needed to enforce compliance.

His capacity to enforce compliance far exceeds my capacity to offer obedience voluntarily, and so he gets much more out of me by not limiting what he demands of me to what I am capable of voluntarily offering to him.

As long as he enjoys having to force you to do stuff all the time... i guess it's all good. When i was younger, i needed that more aggressive control too. Now that i'm a bit older, i've outgrown the need for that kind of control. I am more at peace with myself, and thankful that i have a Master who inspires me to steadily improve my service as a means of having a place in His life.

You managed to use the important word here and yes, as always. One must go back to any relationship's original agreement. (consensual) If any slave then consensually agrees to obey all orders, then the slave does.

Any slave that disobeys should know what's coming. A master must at all times, inspire his slave to obey and to first, obey...there original agreement.

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RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website - 8/27/2017 5:13:13 PM

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I am fortunate that my Master is very good at gauging how i 'am' and Master always makes sure that i 'have what it takes' at any given time before He orders me to do something. Plus we are both a bit OCD so there's always that crazy energy to harness too. There are sometimes when Master tells me to go do something that i don't feel like getting up and doing at that moment, but then my 'slave" energy kicks in and i want to do it because it is to serve Master.

Ulls doesn't worry about whether I have what it takes in order to comply with an order out of my own volition. What he gauges is whether he's got what is needed to enforce compliance.

His capacity to enforce compliance far exceeds my capacity to offer obedience voluntarily, and so he gets much more out of me by not limiting what he demands of me to what I am capable of voluntarily offering to him.

As long as he enjoys having to force you to do stuff all the time... i guess it's all good. When i was younger, i needed that more aggressive control too. Now that i'm a bit older, i've outgrown the need for that kind of control. I am more at peace with myself, and thankful that i have a Master who inspires me to steadily improve my service as a means of having a place in His life.

You managed to use the important word here and yes, as always. One must go back to any relationship's original agreement. (consensual) If any slave then consensually agrees to obey all orders, then the slave does.

Any slave that disobeys should know what's coming. A master must at all times, inspire his slave to obey and to first, obey...there original agreement.

Yes... maybe it's a 'with age comes wisdom' thing. Or it's just a learning process.

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RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website - 8/28/2017 10:21:50 AM

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How can a master make his slave stop coming on the website after she is posted she is owned and collared by master

I'm curious if this is a real relationship, or if it's a cyber thing with a Velcro collar.

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RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website - 8/28/2017 10:49:45 AM

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Nope, because the origin and meaning of the term is relevant for determining what types of relationships can be considered to be a consensual/fantasy emulation of the original concepts that are relayed by the term in and of itself.

What you're asking is to discuss why "puppy play" is a called puppy play, and what type of behaviors could fall under the umbrella puppy play, without being willing to discuss origins of the term, the fact that it's based on simulating the behavior of dogs, and without being willing to compare to what extend the simulated behavior during puppy play resembles/represents that of actual dogs versus how it differs from the behavior of actual dogs.

I'm not sure if I'm on board with this. To use your example, had the OP started the thread with 'how can I get my pup to stop coming to the website,' it wouldn't go to how much like a real dog the other person happens to be.

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RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website - 8/28/2017 1:32:15 PM

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I'm not sure if I'm on board with this.

Of course you are not , you have not lost your mind like Ishtar has on this thread.

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RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website - 8/28/2017 2:50:59 PM

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I'm not sure if I'm on board with this.

Of course you are not , you have not lost your mind like Ishtar has on this thread.

Sounds to me like it's more than just on this thread, since she claims to live it in real life.

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RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website - 8/28/2017 3:14:55 PM

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I'm not sure if I'm on board with this.

Of course you are not , you have not lost your mind like Ishtar has on this thread.

Sounds to me like it's more than just on this thread, since she claims to live it in real life.

Tamaka, are you saying that she is lying about living it in real life? Exactly what about it makes her not a slave, as you have said?

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RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website - 8/28/2017 3:56:24 PM

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I'm not sure if I'm on board with this.

Of course you are not , you have not lost your mind like Ishtar has on this thread.

Sounds to me like it's more than just on this thread, since she claims to live it in real life.

Tamaka, are you saying that she is lying about living it in real life? Exactly what about it makes her not a slave, as you have said?

She has stated that she does not have a Master. Ullr is not in an M/s relationship with her. I am not saying she is lying. I am saying that you have to have 'lost your mind' a bit to live this way in real life. But of course, i am now speaking from the perspective of a 50 year old.

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RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website - 8/28/2017 4:16:19 PM

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I'm not sure if I'm on board with this.

Of course you are not , you have not lost your mind like Ishtar has on this thread.

Sounds to me like it's more than just on this thread, since she claims to live it in real life.

Tamaka, are you saying that she is lying about living it in real life? Exactly what about it makes her not a slave, as you have said?

She has stated that she does not have a Master. Ullr is not in an M/s relationship with her. I am not saying she is lying. I am saying that you have to have 'lost your mind' a bit to live this way in real life. But of course, i am now speaking from the perspective of a 50 year old.

I think she has very clearly stated that they are in a M/s relationship. She has very clearly stated that she is his property, and that he may do what he wishes when she disobeys, and that she has no recourse. I believe that is the definition of a slave.

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RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website - 8/28/2017 4:21:05 PM

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I'm not sure if I'm on board with this.

Of course you are not , you have not lost your mind like Ishtar has on this thread.

Sounds to me like it's more than just on this thread, since she claims to live it in real life.

Tamaka, are you saying that she is lying about living it in real life? Exactly what about it makes her not a slave, as you have said?

She has stated that she does not have a Master. Ullr is not in an M/s relationship with her. I am not saying she is lying. I am saying that you have to have 'lost your mind' a bit to live this way in real life. But of course, i am now speaking from the perspective of a 50 year old.

I think she has very clearly stated that they are in a M/s relationship. She has very clearly stated that she is his property, and that he may do what he wishes when she disobeys, and that she has no recourse. I believe that is the definition of a slave.

Ahh... nope. She has never stated that they are in an M/s relationship, or that she is his property.

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RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website - 8/28/2017 4:59:55 PM

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Ahh... nope. She has never stated that they are in an M/s relationship, or that she is his property.

You need to learn to read: http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=5068087

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RE: how to keep my slave from coming to the website - 8/28/2017 5:02:37 PM

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Ahh... nope. She has never stated that they are in an M/s relationship, or that she is his property.

You need to learn to read: http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=5068087

So... Ullr is your Master?

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