Collarchat.com

Join Our Community
Collarchat.com

Home  Login  Search 

RE: The original arguments FOR the second amendment


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: The original arguments FOR the second amendment Page: <<   < prev  15 16 [17] 18 19   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: The original arguments FOR the second amendment - 10/11/2017 4:41:28 PM   
Lucylastic


Posts: 40310
Status: offline
hahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahhahaahhaahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahah


_____________________________

(•_•)
<) )╯SUCH
/ \

\(•_•)
( (> A NASTY
/ \

(•_•)
<) )> WOMAN
/ \

Duchess Of Dissent
Dont Hate Love

(in reply to Nnanji)
Profile   Post #: 321
RE: The original arguments FOR the second amendment - 10/11/2017 4:49:51 PM   
Lucylastic


Posts: 40310
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Anyone can attempt to put words in my mouth.
Doesnt mean I have to allow it to go unchallenged.
Has to?
who put you in charge of lying like a douche bag?




I think JLF treats all those he deems to be opponents of his opinions on guns as one generic body. He doesn't distinguish between any of us and can't be bothered to check our separate points of view. He hasn't apologised to me, yet, for attributing to me things I haven't said.

IM not expecting any kind of apology,
but apparently someone has to lie about my positions, according to nnanji, and im not supposed to notice.
Told you it was too late NOW.:)


_____________________________

(•_•)
<) )╯SUCH
/ \

\(•_•)
( (> A NASTY
/ \

(•_•)
<) )> WOMAN
/ \

Duchess Of Dissent
Dont Hate Love

(in reply to PeonForHer)
Profile   Post #: 322
RE: The original arguments FOR the second amendment - 10/11/2017 5:14:36 PM   
ThatDizzyChick


Posts: 5490
Status: offline
quote:

Lucy, you admit that 11000 gun deaths are a direct result of a criminal act, which then means you have to acknowledge that those guns were not all purchased legally or owned legally, correct?

https://i.imgflip.com/o3c2s.jpg

_____________________________

Not your average bimbo.

(in reply to jlf1961)
Profile   Post #: 323
RE: The original arguments FOR the second amendment - 10/11/2017 5:18:14 PM   
ThatDizzyChick


Posts: 5490
Status: offline
quote:

Well, as I've never lied on here

Such a huge helping of delicious irony all in just 7 words. I love it!

_____________________________

Not your average bimbo.

(in reply to Nnanji)
Profile   Post #: 324
RE: The original arguments FOR the second amendment - 10/11/2017 5:25:44 PM   
Lucylastic


Posts: 40310
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

quote:

Well, as I've never lied on here

Such a huge helping of delicious irony all in just 7 words. I love it!

im still laughing....

_____________________________

(•_•)
<) )╯SUCH
/ \

\(•_•)
( (> A NASTY
/ \

(•_•)
<) )> WOMAN
/ \

Duchess Of Dissent
Dont Hate Love

(in reply to ThatDizzyChick)
Profile   Post #: 325
RE: The original arguments FOR the second amendment - 10/11/2017 5:44:58 PM   
jlf1961


Posts: 14840
Joined: 6/10/2008
From: Somewhere Texas
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Lucy, you admit that 11000 gun deaths are a direct result of a criminal act, which then means you have to acknowledge that those guns were not all purchased legally or owned legally, correct?
Sorry, you are putting positions in my mouth again, stop doing it.
Yet, you still seem to advocate the passage of laws and regulations that directly impact those gun owners who legally purchase, use and otherwise own guns.
Sorry, you are putting positions in my mouth again, stop doing it.

This is the point that bothers me, since there are over 187 million legal gun owners in the US, which is 57% of the US population, that the rights of these people (including myself) do not matter in the slightest, even when there is a damn good possibility that if the one serious flaw and a few minor ones are addressed, that number of 11000 dead at the hands of a person with a gun could be reduced.

Would it not make sense, in a free society, that the flaws be addressed first before stepping on the rights of the people who are not breaking the law or circumventing it?Sorry, you are putting positions in my mouth again, stop doing it.

Especially when the one group that is considered the most vile and evil gun advocacy groups (they arent, as I have tried repeatedly to explain) actually endorses strict regulation or outright ban of devices such as bump stocks?Sorry, you are putting positions in my mouth again, stop doing it.

Dies this fact even matter: Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware.

The US must be doing something right, and could do more, but I and others advocate starting with dealing with the known problems with the present laws before diminishing the rights of law abiding citizens or removing them altogether.






Lucy, I have never seen you advocate anything different.

But here are your words:


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic



Firearms deaths, 11,000 per year murdered by someone wielding a gun. 20,000 deaths by suicide, vast difference.







Now, so I am clear on this, your response to:

quote:

Lucy, you admit that 11000 gun deaths are a direct result of a criminal act, which then means you have to acknowledge that those guns were not all purchased legally or owned legally, correct?
Sorry, you are putting positions in my mouth again, stop doing it.


So you did not say 11000 murdered by a gun, or are you saying that all those guns used in those 11000 deaths were all legally purchased by people who were legally allowed to purchase guns?

And you have on many occasions pointed at the NRA as one of the main reasons gun laws are not changed in the US.

_____________________________

Boy, it sure would be nice if we had some grenades, don't you think?

You cannot control who comes into your life, but you can control which airlock you throw them out of.

Paranoid Paramilitary Gun Loving Conspiracy Theorist AND EQUAL OPPORTUNI

(in reply to Lucylastic)
Profile   Post #: 326
RE: The original arguments FOR the second amendment - 10/11/2017 6:46:46 PM   
Musicmystery


Posts: 30259
Joined: 3/14/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

I think JLF treats all those he deems to be opponents of his opinions on guns as one generic body. He doesn't distinguish between any of us and can't be bothered to check our separate points of view.

That’s been my observation as well.

(in reply to PeonForHer)
Profile   Post #: 327
RE: The original arguments FOR the second amendment - 10/11/2017 7:00:31 PM   
DesideriScuri


Posts: 12225
Joined: 1/18/2012
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
SO prove it or shut the fuck up,
NO I havent, and I cant do something "again", that I havent done in the first place.
Im quite insistent on using murder and suicide stats as separate.
But please prove your claim, by all means. Or not.
Why wouldnt you put it past me? what makes you say that, and please by all means back your reasons up with sources.


Not going to dig through all your gun posts. Not going to stfu just because you're buttsore over being called out.

Why wouldn't I put it past you? You're partisan enough to support your agenda.


_____________________________

What I support:

  • A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
  • Personal Responsibility
  • Help for the truly needy
  • Limited Government
  • Consumption Tax (non-profit charities and food exempt)

(in reply to Lucylastic)
Profile   Post #: 328
RE: The original arguments FOR the second amendment - 10/11/2017 8:20:07 PM   
Nnanji


Posts: 4552
Joined: 3/29/2016
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

quote:

Well, as I've never lied on here

Such a huge helping of delicious irony all in just 7 words. I love it!

I've always told you what a poor communicator you are.

(in reply to ThatDizzyChick)
Profile   Post #: 329
RE: The original arguments FOR the second amendment - 10/12/2017 9:38:01 AM   
ThatDizzyChick


Posts: 5490
Status: offline
Yes, but then again you say a ton of stupid shit, so we tend to forget the individual examples.

_____________________________

Not your average bimbo.

(in reply to Nnanji)
Profile   Post #: 330
RE: The original arguments FOR the second amendment - 10/12/2017 10:45:46 AM   
Nnanji


Posts: 4552
Joined: 3/29/2016
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Anyone can attempt to put words in my mouth.
Doesnt mean I have to allow it to go unchallenged.
Has to?
who put you in charge of lying like a douche bag?




I think JLF treats all those he deems to be opponents of his opinions on guns as one generic body. He doesn't distinguish between any of us and can't be bothered to check our separate points of view. He hasn't apologised to me, yet, for attributing to me things I haven't said.

IM not expecting any kind of apology,
but apparently someone has to lie about my positions, according to nnanji, and im not supposed to notice.
Told you it was too late NOW.:)


Oh is that what you thought? Opps, supposing you thought. Reading comprehension dear. Your words were,"Anyone can attempt to put words in my mouth." Those were your words and you said nothing about lies. I said somebody has to put words in your mouth, with the implication that you really have none of your own to offer. Your twisted little world brought lies into the topic. Which is funny because it was your words being discussed.

(in reply to Lucylastic)
Profile   Post #: 331
RE: The original arguments FOR the second amendment - 10/12/2017 11:20:50 AM   
Nnanji


Posts: 4552
Joined: 3/29/2016
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

Yes, but then again you say a ton of stupid shit, so we tend to forget the individual examples.

Ah, my apologies. As I've said more than once, I treat leftist loonies like they treat others. That must be what is off putting to you, besides my honest evaluation of your less than worthwhile contributions here.

(in reply to ThatDizzyChick)
Profile   Post #: 332
RE: The original arguments FOR the second amendment - 10/12/2017 1:30:15 PM   
Drakvampire


Posts: 282
Joined: 2/21/2013
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Anyone can attempt to put words in my mouth.
Doesnt mean I have to allow it to go unchallenged.
Has to?
who put you in charge of lying like a douche bag?




I think JLF treats all those he deems to be opponents of his opinions on guns as one generic body. He doesn't distinguish between any of us and can't be bothered to check our separate points of view. He hasn't apologized to me, yet, for attributing to me things I haven't said.




You deny recorded history, historically history, and embellish certain liars and enable them as factual whilst citing nothing other than the original sin and its warped lies, and then boasting and enabling it all. Are you sure you are not Mr trump?

Jeff is worth 1000 of you, you slimy creepy maggot, crawl boy suit. If you wish to dig your own hole can you please keep me out of your shit loop of lying fuker

Anyway jlf1961 did you ever buy that boat an sail the seven seas?

You deny recorded history, historical history, and embellish certain liars and enable them as factual, whilst blanking and then citing nothing other than the original sin, and boasting and enabling it all

Jeff is worth 1000 of you slimey creepy maggot. True I actually defended two right wing nutters in the last 2 weeks for they are honest women folk you could try mailing them?

(in reply to PeonForHer)
Profile   Post #: 333
RE: The original arguments FOR the second amendment - 10/12/2017 1:50:27 PM   
PeonForHer


Posts: 19612
Joined: 9/27/2008
Status: offline
Thank you for your contribution to this thread, WD.

_____________________________

http://www.domme-chronicles.com


(in reply to Drakvampire)
Profile   Post #: 334
RE: The original arguments FOR the second amendment - 10/12/2017 2:26:14 PM   
Drakvampire


Posts: 282
Joined: 2/21/2013
Status: offline
We really do not give a flying fuck what you think of him, or true narratives, or the collective (do you even know the difference creepy ooze)? – But at least get your facts straight as we expect that from you and nothing less. Or do you enable Trump, become him? To cite but two examples. Even my favorites (WM HB & lucy) on here will incur our wrath. One can actually tell the difference between us all, did you know that?

HIs contribution was most valid. We are sorry it was not to your liking or its original contributions which you patently ignored for a meek dig.

The second amendment is obsolete.

I am waiting for someone to propose an alternative?

(in reply to PeonForHer)
Profile   Post #: 335
RE: The original arguments FOR the second amendment - 10/12/2017 2:47:44 PM   
BamaD


Posts: 20687
Joined: 2/27/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Drakvampire

We really do not give a flying fuck what you think of him, or true narratives, or the collective (do you even know the difference creepy ooze)? – But at least get your facts straight as we expect that from you and nothing less. Or do you enable Trump, become him? To cite but two examples. Even my favorites (WM HB & lucy) on here will incur our wrath. One can actually tell the difference between us all, did you know that?

HIs contribution was most valid. We are sorry it was not to your liking or its original contributions which you patently ignored for a meek dig.

The second amendment is obsolete.

I am waiting for someone to propose an alternative?


The 2nd is not obsolete , there is your alternative.

_____________________________

Government ranges from a necessary evil to an intolerable one. Thomas Paine

People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

(in reply to Drakvampire)
Profile   Post #: 336
RE: The original arguments FOR the second amendment - 10/12/2017 3:04:41 PM   
Drakvampire


Posts: 282
Joined: 2/21/2013
Status: offline
Then he exercised his second amendment as defined by A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

(in reply to BamaD)
Profile   Post #: 337
RE: The original arguments FOR the second amendment - 10/12/2017 3:18:54 PM   
BamaD


Posts: 20687
Joined: 2/27/2005
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Drakvampire

Then he exercised his second amendment as defined by A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

In case you didn't notice the 2nd does not permit murder. Nobody can claim that murder and the exercise
of 2nd amendment rights are the same. And you are still stuck with the reason he killed 58 and not 1000
is that he was a nice guy.


_____________________________

Government ranges from a necessary evil to an intolerable one. Thomas Paine

People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

(in reply to Drakvampire)
Profile   Post #: 338
RE: The original arguments FOR the second amendment - 10/12/2017 3:34:21 PM   
Drakvampire


Posts: 282
Joined: 2/21/2013
Status: offline
The second amendment clearly permits murder galore. Trump: I could shoot somebody and not lose voters granted a draft dodger 4 times.

I think the fact he spayed bullets into a crowd of 25k and killed 58 makes him a shit shot. But like trump perhaps he was exercising his 2nd

(in reply to BamaD)
Profile   Post #: 339
RE: The original arguments FOR the second amendment - 10/12/2017 3:38:11 PM   
jlf1961


Posts: 14840
Joined: 6/10/2008
From: Somewhere Texas
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Drakvampire

We really do not give a flying fuck what you think of him, or true narratives, or the collective (do you even know the difference creepy ooze)? – But at least get your facts straight as we expect that from you and nothing less. Or do you enable Trump, become him? To cite but two examples. Even my favorites (WM HB & lucy) on here will incur our wrath. One can actually tell the difference between us all, did you know that?

HIs contribution was most valid. We are sorry it was not to your liking or its original contributions which you patently ignored for a meek dig.

The second amendment is obsolete.

I am waiting for someone to propose an alternative?



The second amendment will become obsolete when humanity as a whole stops trying to fuck each other over in the name of progress.

And, when you take the incidents of gun related violence in countries where there are presently extremely strict gun laws (which people claim is no comparison) it makes the point that if someone wants a gun to commit an act of violence there is always a way to get one.

And when people propose new regulations without even an attempt or acknowledgement of the problems with the present regulations, what good is going to be accomplished?

What I and others are trying to get people to understand is a very simple concept, fix the problems with the old regulations first and see how well it works. Hell the results should be clear within the first six months of implementation.

Funny thing is that people and elected lawmakers never seem to grasp the concept of fixing a problem, they are quick to blame someone for the problem.

And while I admit that I paint anti gun people with one brush, I can hardly be blamed when they are using blanket terms, avoid addressing an issue that gun owners have been raising for years, or seem to take the position that every gun used in a crime was used by someone who legally had the right to buy a gun.

In the case of Virginia Tech, the shooter was allowed to buy a gun because the fact he had been committed for mental problems that manifested themselves in acts of violence was not in the database, so no one knew he was not legally allowed to buy a gun, because it did not show on a back ground check, because it was not mandatory for that information to be put in the system EXCEPT on a federal level.

In the case of Sandy Hook school shooting, the shooter killed his mother, stole the key to her gun safe and stole the guns.

After the incident, it came out that she had actually tried to have him institutionalized because he had attacked her previously, and the ONLY thing that happened was a 72 hour observation stay, during which he was forced to take his medication.

Something he would not do when he was NOT institutionalized.

While some blame the mother for owning the guns, which admittedly if she did not own them, he would not have shot up the school, but he still may have killed her because he lived there, or had access to the home.

So, blame mom.

Personally I blame the people she had turned to for help with the son, and who basically gave her the fuck you, he is your problem.

I guess she could have kicked him to the curb, changed the locks on her house and every time he showed up, had him arrested....

In the case of Columbine, or I should say, after Columbine, the law was changed that firearms purchased online have to be shipped to a licensed dealer to be picked up.

So, despite what people claim, the laws have changed, but what has not changed is the flaw with what may have prevented some of these acts.

So, instead they call for more laws which cant work for the same reasons the present laws dont.

But hey, let both sides continue to fight, in the end nothing changes in the long run, and wont until the obvious problem is fixed, or ....



_____________________________

Boy, it sure would be nice if we had some grenades, don't you think?

You cannot control who comes into your life, but you can control which airlock you throw them out of.

Paranoid Paramilitary Gun Loving Conspiracy Theorist AND EQUAL OPPORTUNI

(in reply to Drakvampire)
Profile   Post #: 340
Page:   <<   < prev  15 16 [17] 18 19   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: The original arguments FOR the second amendment Page: <<   < prev  15 16 [17] 18 19   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2024
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.823